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Define Eternity

Personally I am a true blood Wiccan Child.

What does this even mean, really?

I apologize if that was phrased in a complicated way.
Originally my ancestors were once Wicca. Then somewhere down the line they converted to Catholicism, then Christianity. I like to call myself a Wiccan child because I am one of the wiccan descendants and want to bring that part of my family back.

Even if one of your ancestors was Wiccan (which mind you Wicca is only about 60 or so years old, so we aren't talking any "ancient ancestors", more like parents or grandparents), it still wouldn't make you Wiccan. Wicca is not passed though hereditary lineage, but rather through initiatory lineage - man to woman or woman to man.

You can have a family witchcraft tradition, which is totally awesome if you do, but it's not Wicca.

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Nines19

Define Eternity

Personally I am a true blood Wiccan Child.

What does this even mean, really?

I apologize if that was phrased in a complicated way.
Originally my ancestors were once Wicca. Then somewhere down the line they converted to Catholicism, then Christianity. I like to call myself a Wiccan child because I am one of the wiccan descendants and want to bring that part of my family back.

Even if one of your ancestors was Wiccan (which mind you Wicca is only about 60 or so years old, so we aren't talking any "ancient ancestors", more like parents or grandparents), it still wouldn't make you Wiccan. Wicca is not passed though hereditary lineage, but rather through initiatory lineage - man to woman or woman to man.

You can have a family witchcraft tradition, which is totally awesome if you do, but it's not Wicca.

I never stated they were 'ancient' so I ask where you retrieved that from?
I don't understand why you're trying to prove my religion and/or belief as false wicca belief. I never declared it was a family tradition or it was passed through hereditary lineage. I simply said my ancestors were once wicca. When I'd heard of my family's history it interested me and thus introduced me to the religion.
So, there's your "initiatory lineage."

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Nines19

Define Eternity

Personally I am a true blood Wiccan Child.

What does this even mean, really?

I apologize if that was phrased in a complicated way.
Originally my ancestors were once Wicca. Then somewhere down the line they converted to Catholicism, then Christianity. I like to call myself a Wiccan child because I am one of the wiccan descendants and want to bring that part of my family back.

Even if one of your ancestors was Wiccan (which mind you Wicca is only about 60 or so years old, so we aren't talking any "ancient ancestors", more like parents or grandparents), it still wouldn't make you Wiccan. Wicca is not passed though hereditary lineage, but rather through initiatory lineage - man to woman or woman to man.

You can have a family witchcraft tradition, which is totally awesome if you do, but it's not Wicca.

I never stated they were 'ancient' so I ask where you retrieved that from?

Most people don't use the term ancestors to refer to recent relatives, it usually implies long gone generations, but you are correct you did not say "ancient".

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I don't understand why you're trying to prove my religion and/or belief as false wicca belief.

I'm not trying to prove your religion false - I'm just saying that odds are it's been mislabeled. There is a lot of misinformation out there about Wicca is, and based on the statements that you made - it is clear that what you practice while it may be a perfectly valid and rewarding path - it isn't Wicca.

Wicca is not something that is descended through ancestry - it's not even something that one can simply wake up one morning and decide to be. It requires initiation - into a coven that can trace initiatory lineage back to Gerald Gardner and/or the New Forrest Coven.

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I never declared it was a family tradition or it was passed through hereditary lineage. I simply said my ancestors were once wicca.

You first stated that you were a "true blood Wiccan child", and then said that liked to call yourself Wiccan, because you were descended from someone who was Wiccan. All I was pointing out is that (as I mentioned above) it doesn't matter if your whole family is Wiccan - until you have been properly initiated - it is a title that you cannot claim. The mysteries and core practices of Wicca are oath-bound, and are only known to those who have been initiated - without them, it's not Wicca.

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When I'd heard of my family's history it interested me and thus introduced me to the religion. So, there's your "initiatory lineage."

Listening to some family stories, is not initiation. Within the context of Wicca, initiation is a very specific ritual - and it's not something that one can do to oneself.
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The truth is that there is a crap-ton of misinformation out there on what Wicca is, and it is frustrating to say the least when one is trying to figure out the bits that are valid and those that are not so great. Unfortunately there are quite a few less than ethical authors out there, who are more interested in making $$$, than writing fact-based information (they tend to gloss over things like historical accuracy, and the fact that they are misrepresenting an oath-bound religion). They tend to also say that witchcraft and Wicca mean the same thing, but they don't - one is a specific religion, the other is something that anyone (of almost any religion, or no religion) can practice.

There is a decent Wicca FAQ thread, that might be worth taking a look at. It's been fairly well researched, and is a good place to start.

[Lifisali]

God has a bit of a monopoly going on. Better bring in the noodle monsters and the unicorns. :V

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Norse gods are EPIC FAIL.
They die and so do their people.

Not all the Gods (or people for that matter) are killed, and some like Baldur are reborn - and life goes on. (clearly epic fail there rolleyes )

[inuyashahoty22]

You know, once apon a time Christianity was a very small portion of the populion... is it so hard to believe that something else is be coming main stream? I mean, sure there are so fakers. But thats true for ANYTHING. A lot of us are honestly pagans/wiccans (which ARE two different things by the way)

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Celeblin Galadeneryn

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Hesperus Lucifera

I don't see what is attractive about Germanic and Norse mythology. I mean these gods were for the warriors and warriors held a special honor in the religious system. The religion is not for spirituality or outsiders per se, it's for Norse and German warriors. It's not for common people, it's for the powerful. I don't see how Asatru is fair to people, let alone a powerful and sensible faith system. You have to drop 99.9% percent of the viking beliefs in order to follow the belief system today. How can you relate to a goddess who represents something that is no longer relevant? How come we relate to something only relevant to warriors? What happened with preserving the volgas? Only women are entitled to psychic powers in the Viking religion.

http://www.myths-and-mythology.com/articles/cultural-mythologies/index.php

Vikings =/= all Nordic cultures.

I'm going to assume you mean "volva". It's nothing about being "entitled"... seidhr was ergi, unmanly. You could do it as a man, but it was kinda taboo.

Thor is a god of "common people". As is Heimdallr, considering he as Rin fathered lines in different levels of society. The religion wasn't relevant only to warriors, but then, I don't think four short paragraphs on an uncited website really sum it up. neutral That's really the first place you'd go for information? There's barely anything there. Even wikipedia's a better option.

Are you going to back up that "99.9%", or did you pull that out of your arse? and, just out of interest, is there a religion you do think is "fair to people"?

Hey Sanguina, remember that time I showed you how some person was bad mouthing you on a thread I run and proceeding to just make trouble for everyone?

This is that same person. And they're trying to make me yell, and further fuel their persecution complex that all of M&R hates them.

I mean, your reasoning is awesome and all, but what you're going to get out of this is so just not worth the effort.

I don't know, I'd ignore her but then I'd miss all the hilarious, offended PMs she sends me.

I didn't post on here for like three months and I came back and still had threats and all that in my pms. Good times, good times.

I'll ask a question, though, so i'm not just laughing at the disabled: So wiccanism doesn't have layman. What about Asatru? What's the role of layman in that?

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Celeblin Galadeneryn

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Hesperus Lucifera

I don't see what is attractive about Germanic and Norse mythology. I mean these gods were for the warriors and warriors held a special honor in the religious system. The religion is not for spirituality or outsiders per se, it's for Norse and German warriors. It's not for common people, it's for the powerful. I don't see how Asatru is fair to people, let alone a powerful and sensible faith system. You have to drop 99.9% percent of the viking beliefs in order to follow the belief system today. How can you relate to a goddess who represents something that is no longer relevant? How come we relate to something only relevant to warriors? What happened with preserving the volgas? Only women are entitled to psychic powers in the Viking religion.

http://www.myths-and-mythology.com/articles/cultural-mythologies/index.php

Vikings =/= all Nordic cultures.

I'm going to assume you mean "volva". It's nothing about being "entitled"... seidhr was ergi, unmanly. You could do it as a man, but it was kinda taboo.

Thor is a god of "common people". As is Heimdallr, considering he as Rin fathered lines in different levels of society. The religion wasn't relevant only to warriors, but then, I don't think four short paragraphs on an uncited website really sum it up. neutral That's really the first place you'd go for information? There's barely anything there. Even wikipedia's a better option.

Are you going to back up that "99.9%", or did you pull that out of your arse? and, just out of interest, is there a religion you do think is "fair to people"?

Hey Sanguina, remember that time I showed you how some person was bad mouthing you on a thread I run and proceeding to just make trouble for everyone?

This is that same person. And they're trying to make me yell, and further fuel their persecution complex that all of M&R hates them.

I mean, your reasoning is awesome and all, but what you're going to get out of this is so just not worth the effort.

I don't know, I'd ignore her but then I'd miss all the hilarious, offended PMs she sends me.

I didn't post on here for like three months and I came back and still had threats and all that in my pms. Good times, good times.

I'll ask a question, though, so i'm not just laughing at the disabled: So wiccanism doesn't have layman. What about Asatru? What's the role of layman in that?

Everyone who isn't a Godhi? You could argue that we have other quasi-clerical roles, such as the volva, but the great majority of Asatruar aren't priests or their equivalents.

And while they're amusing, I can only be called a racist so many times before it gets really old.

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Hesperus Lucifera

Norse gods are EPIC FAIL.
They die and so do their people.

Not all the Gods (or people for that matter) are killed, and some like Baldur are reborn - and life goes on. (clearly epic fail there rolleyes )

Now what I'm wondering is whether or not that's supposed to be a thinly veiled threat against me or not. Not that I'm going to report her, since I've ignored her, but I really wouldn't put it past her.

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Shaelystrasza

People think it's cool to call themselves a Wiccan, even though most of them probably aren't actually what they say to be. Not to mention there's a lot of misinformation going around about Wicca, so people pick it up, thinking it's some nature based religion that they can mess around with.

Most of the kids that practice it think its some old religion thats just cool to be part of when it what most of them are "following" is the made up religion of Alex,c If they are Following the druid ways of the celts they are not a wiccan as no such term even was around during that time most of the self proclaimed warlocks do even know that all that term means is oath breaker Just a fad for kids to make believe they are witchs and to try to think that harry potter is real. The Bible might has some flaws but it is real and things did happen that even history can show happened as well It is up to a person to believe in it if they wish but it is real , I am a follower of JC but i respect Muslims, Bhuddists, and Native american religions but "wicca" is nothing more than a fairy tail.

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Shaelystrasza

People think it's cool to call themselves a Wiccan, even though most of them probably aren't actually what they say to be. Not to mention there's a lot of misinformation going around about Wicca, so people pick it up, thinking it's some nature based religion that they can mess around with.

Most of the kids that practice it think its some old religion thats just cool to be part of when it what most of them are "following" is the made up religion of Alex,c If they are Following the druid ways of the celts they are not a wiccan as no such term even was around during that time most of the self proclaimed warlocks do even know that all that term means is oath breaker Just a fad for kids to make believe they are witchs and to try to think that harry potter is real. The Bible might has some flaws but it is real and things did happen that even history can show happened as well It is up to a person to believe in it if they wish but it is real , I am a follower of JC but i respect Muslims, Bhuddists, and Native american religions but "wicca" is nothing more than a fairy tail.

You are a follower of JC Denton?

It's a bomb!

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I have never heard of a J.C denton though i would hope he might be a fan of jesus ah i just looked him up a video game character - seems to enjoy guns probably not a big fan of JC he should get rid of those guns and try to help some people.

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Barachielofthe7

Most of the kids that practice it think its some old religion thats just cool to be part of when it what most of them are "following" is the made up religion of Alex,c

Who is this "Alex,c" you speak of?

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Just a fad for kids to make believe they are witchs and to try to think that harry potter is real.

Sure! That'd be why all Wiccans are legal adults, right?

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The Bible might has some flaws but it is real and things did happen that even history can show happened as well It is up to a person to believe in it if they wish but it is real , I am a follower of JC but i respect Muslims, Bhuddists, and Native american religions but "wicca" is nothing more than a fairy tail.

Explain yourself. Why are Native American religions true but Wicca is not?

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Sanguina Cruenta

Sure! That'd be why all Wiccans are legal adults, right?

...What?