Is Islam a violent/ lost/ currupted religion.

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yes	50.5%	[ 432 ]
no	49.5%	[ 424 ]
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[Fiery Warrior]

da_wall

Has Islam been twisted into a system that it was not origianly, has the world moved on and it has been left in the era where women were secondary and democracy was non-existant.
eg when islam orriginaly came about wasn't it quite radical when it came to womens rights, and now it is veiwed to be holding them back.
Terroism, anyone know what the koran says about it, I have my suspicions that the terroists are using islam as almost an excuse to be violent.
what are your veiws?

Firstly, Islam has not been twisted into something that it wasn't. Women aren't secondary as it seems all the time now.

The Holy Koran doesn't breed terrorism, it is against violence. But if a foreign army came into your home country and started bombing raids and such that harm civilians unintendly, you would react, wouldn't you? These terrorists resort to making bombs and other acts of terrorism because that is what they are capable of, they aren't equipped with fighters, tanks or other weapons of advance warfare. And once again, Islam hasn't been twisted and neither does it breed violence. I guess
these terrorists are just a bunch of misguided men who took a wrong turn in life. And of course, you shouldn't judge a whole group by the actions of a few, in this cas the terrorists.

[Le Ice]

SurvivingPyrodoxManiac...

It's a paradox.
1.One sections says you must fight for your belief,
2.The other is anti-violence.
So the extreamists take option 1 and abuse it to the extent that killing people is OK.

That isn't a paradox it's a contradiction.

TeaDidikai

Just like the Torah says Murder is Wrong and Killing is not. rolleyes

Murder is against the law, killing doesn't have to be.

Bloodless Amber

I find it hypocrite when Christians claim Islam is violent.
Please take up the nearest encyclopedia, and read a little about the Crusades and the Inquisition. Christian leaders had been much more violent than Islamic leaders are today, and until I find a proof Islam (and not corrupted Muslim leaders and Imams) is a religion that preaches violence - I think you're all just biased bigots.

Most Christians do not indulge in such extremes of violence, therefore, they are not hypocritical. Christianity does not advocate such practices any longer. If history(generations back) does deem a persons vice than any person who criticizes the justice in anything is a hypocrite for some action has been done by their ancestor that is contrary to contemporary beliefs and values.

Additionally, hypocrisy does not weaken the validity of the statement. To antagonize one who upholds justice because of their hypocrisy is, quite frankly, moronic.

[Moofin_pixie]

Well, Islam has always been spred by the sword. But rember, it is a much newer relgion than Christianity. It is in its medievil period, and Christianity has already been through that really.

[Fatal Hilarity]

Le Ice

Most Christians do not indulge in such extremes of violence, therefore, they are not hypocritical. Christianity does not advocate such practices any longer. If history(generations back) does deem a persons vice than any person who criticizes the justice in anything is a hypocrite for some action has been done by their ancestor that is contrary to contemporary beliefs and values.

Additionally, hypocrisy does not weaken the validity of the statement. To antagonize one who upholds justice because of their hypocrisy is, quite frankly, moronic.

1. Neither do most Muslims.
2. I find myself bothered by the fact people claim Islam is violent as a religion, when it's just violent people who use it for their needs. You are being hypocritical and blind making such claim, since this case is in no way different. It is the leaders we are to criticize, not the religion itself.

Fiery Warrior

The Holy Koran doesn't breed terrorism, it is against violence. But if a foreign army came into your home country and started bombing raids and such that harm civilians unintendly, you would react, wouldn't you? These terrorists resort to making bombs and other acts of terrorism because that is what they are capable of, they aren't equipped with fighters, tanks or other weapons of advance warfare.

When is it justified to harm civilians? When it is YOUR side?
I could understand why one would want to fight the army; but they fight the people also. Is killing people in New York and London really a "reaction"?

[VisasMarr]

da_wall

Has Islam been twisted into a system that it was not origianly, has the world moved on and it has been left in the era where women were secondary and democracy was non-existant.
eg when islam orriginaly came about wasn't it quite radical when it came to womens rights, and now it is veiwed to be holding them back.
Terroism, anyone know what the koran says about it, I have my suspicions that the terroists are using islam as almost an excuse to be violent.
what are your veiws?

Islam has not been "twisted," it is just for some people, it has not evolved to accept those types of things. But there are plenty of muslims who believe women are equal to men, believe in democracy, are non-violent, etc.

Every religion has it's nutjobs, even christianity. I mean, jeebus, look at the crusades, the witch hunts, anti-puritan bullshit, the Protestant/Catholic conflict. Seriously, christianity (the religion often judging other religions) is not innocent either.

[Ashley G Williams]

i'd say the violence and abuse of women is more cultural then a religeos one. i've known a few muslim men and my life, all of them charming and nice. one even respected women to the point that he took blows from a lady without even raising a hand or word at her.

[Fiery Warrior]

Tommy_Oblivion

i'd say the violence and abuse of women is more cultural then a religeos one. i've known a few muslim men and my life, all of them charming and nice. one even respected women to the point that he took blows from a lady without even raising a hand or word at her.

True, the abuse of women is mostly cultural but through time it has appeared as if it was a part of religion. Infact, if you look through the Holy Koran, it will demonstrate men to respect women. But sadly culture has made Islam look as if it opresses women.

[Fiery Warrior]

Bloodless Amber

Le Ice

Most Christians do not indulge in such extremes of violence, therefore, they are not hypocritical. Christianity does not advocate such practices any longer. If history(generations back) does deem a persons vice than any person who criticizes the justice in anything is a hypocrite for some action has been done by their ancestor that is contrary to contemporary beliefs and values.

Additionally, hypocrisy does not weaken the validity of the statement. To antagonize one who upholds justice because of their hypocrisy is, quite frankly, moronic.

1. Neither do most Muslims.
2. I find myself bothered by the fact people claim Islam is violent as a religion, when it's just violent people who use it for their needs. You are being hypocritical and blind making such claim, since this case is in no way different. It is the leaders we are to criticize, not the religion itself.

Fiery Warrior

The Holy Koran doesn't breed terrorism, it is against violence. But if a foreign army came into your home country and started bombing raids and such that harm civilians unintendly, you would react, wouldn't you? These terrorists resort to making bombs and other acts of terrorism because that is what they are capable of, they aren't equipped with fighters, tanks or other weapons of advance warfare.

When is it justified to harm civilians? When it is YOUR side?
I could understand why one would want to fight the army; but they fight the people also. Is killing people in New York and London really a "reaction"?

What do you mean "justified to harm civilians"? They harm civilians because their own have been attacked by the coalition without it really taking much care to avoid the civilians. And the terrorists have been taught their tactics by the CIA partially. Back when the USSR invaded Afghanistan, CIA opperatives were sent to train the Afghans to fight off the USSR. And yes, it is a reaction. They can't wage a war the way the US does so they a resorting to what they can.

[CoolCosmic]

chessiejo

most religions preach peace and justice.

many so-called religious people, howver, prefer to follow rigidity, harshness and intolerance, even to the point of bloodshed. many in this group are fundamentalists.

Many people here talk about religion as if they are all perfect ideologies that came from another dimension. No, all religions are man made. They are not perfect. Yes they preach peace and justice, but they have their own little devious ways of preaching violence and injustices as well. And Islam is probably the worst religion that specializes in violence and injustice, just look at how it preaches marital violence (verse 4:34).
mad

please dont put all of the blame on people for the imperfections of a religion. blame the religion as well.

[CoolCosmic]

Moofin_pixie

Well, Islam has always been spred by the sword. But rember, it is a much newer relgion than Christianity. It is in its medievil period, and Christianity has already been through that really.

By that logic: Since scientology was invented in the 1900s, therefore if Christianity was invented in 100 AD, then 1900-100=1800. So Scientologists have the excuse to behave like barbarians for 1800 more years.

Islam invented in 700AD, therefore 700-100 = 600. Muslims have 600 more years to behave like barbarians.

That is just so wrong. Communications allow civilizations to grow at the same pace, no matter the age of their religion.

[Shaviv]

Moofin_pixie

Well, Islam has always been spred by the sword. But rember, it is a much newer relgion than Christianity. It is in its medievil period, and Christianity has already been through that really.

Uh? Islam is newer by about six hundred years, which may or may not be all that long; and Islam has also had a real serious golden age, equivalent to what the Greeks had in what we think of as the golden age of Greece.

For some reason, the Muslim world stopped advancing and the Christian world stopped regressing at some point, but there's no doubt that at one time, the Muslims were way ahead.

[CoolCosmic]

Shaviv

Islam has also had a real serious golden age, equivalent to what the Greeks had

Muslims were way ahead.

thats too much of an exaggeration. Muslims were ahead, but its not really "way ahead".

Muslims stopped advancing because they realized that all they need is religion. That everything they need to know should be in their holy book. Everything else is irrelevant.

[Kimyanji]

Shaviv

Moofin_pixie

Well, Islam has always been spred by the sword. But rember, it is a much newer relgion than Christianity. It is in its medievil period, and Christianity has already been through that really.

Uh? Islam is newer by about six hundred years, which may or may not be all that long; and Islam has also had a real serious golden age, equivalent to what the Greeks had in what we think of as the golden age of Greece.

For some reason, the Muslim world stopped advancing and the Christian world stopped regressing at some point, but there's no doubt that at one time, the Muslims were way ahead.

That's true. I don't know what the exact reason for decline occured, but it looks to me like it started seriously going downhill after Baghdad fell to the Mongol invasion of Hulago. I'm not sure.

Here's an interesting senerio: A friend of mine insists, that this is a fall that comes before the rise. He wasn't speaking about it politically, but culturally. The United States is a cradle for millions of Muslims, let alone those who live in Europe. In all honesty, the cultural diversity of Muslims in the West might be the greatest in the world, save the population of pilgrams that visit Makkah from all over the world annually. That in addition to endulging in the scientiffic enlightnment in the West will only help create good results.

For example, if I weren't living in the U.S., I might not have found an interest in learning Hebrew, Aramaic, and Amharic. Great numbers of Hebrew and Amharic speakers live in the US.

[DapperSam]

CoolCosmic

Moofin_pixie

Well, Islam has always been spred by the sword. But rember, it is a much newer relgion than Christianity. It is in its medievil period, and Christianity has already been through that really.

By that logic: Since scientology was invented in the 1900s, therefore if Christianity was invented in 100 AD, then 1900-100=1800. So Scientologists have the excuse to behave like barbarians for 1800 more years.

I would support this if it meant we could have a new Crusade fought across the Americas.

Of course, the Scientologists would have the advantage in dedication to the cause and money, but I think the other side could enlist some practitioners of Vodoun, and a great deal of muslims.

Can you imagine the fun that would be? The epic battle of Lepanto would be like Child's play compared to the kind of crusade that would be waged. Imagine the songs and poems that would be inspired!

We must immediantly push Scientology towards barbarism.

[TheMathNerd]

Islam isn't bad, per se. It's just been twisted around so that people hear only what they want to, as well as think so that it fits with whatever they wish to do. And it's not like other religions are perfect- just look at the Crusades of the Middle Ages!