Is Islam a violent/ lost/ currupted religion.

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yes	50.5%	[ 432 ]
no	49.5%	[ 424 ]
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[Pomnuria]

hilo547

Asylum allekoium

Islam is a religooiun of peace it is peacefull religeion and muslims like peace.
It is an illuminoius relgeoien and Praise Allah , Bismillar.

It is an other religoien next to budhism.
dari Islam=house of peace.
Indonesia has the billions column in Islamic population

In some countries muslim's are peacefull and there are many types including the non religeoius one.

Wa alaikum asalam. What is this picture showing?

[Pomnuria]

Akinito-thedogboy

Pomnuria Garjzla

DapperSam

Would you mind telling us why you decided to convert, and what sect you belong to? What's your opinion on Qu'ran-only/Modern Mutazilite sects?

I was 9 years old at the time and I wasn't very educated about my religion so my reason for conversion then was that my dad was muslim. Now that I can make my own decision, looking back my reason for not converting back to christianity is that i seemed to me that in christianity there was no unity what-so-ever you went to church you didnt go to church it didn't matter when, with islam everyone prays 5 times a day at the same time and everyone is required to go to a mosque and pray on friday; also in christianity my mother was being discriminated against because she didn't get married in a church and I'm not going to support that by supporting the religion; also all of my beliefs are contradictory to the catholic church, I support abortion while I assume that most of the catholic church doesn't, I don't support the worshipping Jesus thing and the belief that he was the son of God (how is that possible? just because mary was a virgin doesnt mean she couldn't have a child). I didn't know there were "sects" so I don't belong to one.

there's unity in the catholic church too(duh the name means UNIversal.people are asked to pray the divine office(seven times a day),their supposed to go to mass every sunday,htey all read the same scriptures in every church in the world every sunday,say the same prayers in chuech every sunday,all beleive the same things,say the same creed, etc. how is ti not pssoble that christ had divine origins?and a virginis a person who has not had children(duh!)

never once in my life was I asked to pray seven times a day. even in religion class we were never asked to pray seven times a day. we all have different beliefs and I don't believe that Jesus (p.b.u.h.) had "divine origins." And my statement was what I experienced when I was Catholic, and what I experienced was NO unity.

CoolCosmic

Just look at the bloody conflict between shias and sunni muslims in iraq.

that's not a universal conflict though and it's not like all of Islam is having a civil war over it or something.

[CoolCosmic]

Pomnuria Garjzla

never once in my life was I asked to pray seven times a day. even in religion class we were never asked to pray seven times a day. we all have different beliefs and I don't believe that Jesus (p.b.u.h.) had "divine origins." And my statement was what I experienced when I was Catholic, and what I experienced was NO unity.

Are you sure you were Catholic? Catholicism never prescribes a number of prayer per day. Praying 7x per day is unheard of in Catholicism & Christianity in general. Catholics are the most united people in Christianity. Catholics are even more united than Muslims. Because Catholics dont just practice common rituals but they also have a main leader - the pope.

Pomnuria Garjzla

CoolCosmic

Just look at the bloody conflict between shias and sunni muslims in iraq.

that's not a universal conflict though and it's not like all of Islam is having a civil war over it or something.

bloodshed is not universal right now but it is consistent in muslim history. conflict may not be universal but the hatred between sunnis & shias is. Like shias are persecuated in saudi arabia. Go to muslim forums and youll see sunnis calling shias false muslims.

[Pomnuria]

CoolCosmic

Pomnuria Garjzla

never once in my life was I asked to pray seven times a day. even in religion class we were never asked to pray seven times a day. we all have different beliefs and I don't believe that Jesus (p.b.u.h.) had "divine origins." And my statement was what I experienced when I was Catholic, and what I experienced was NO unity.

Are you sure you were Catholic? Catholicism never prescribes a number of prayer per day. Praying 7x per day is unheard of in Catholicism & Christianity in general. Catholics are the most united people in Christianity. Catholics are even more united than Muslims. Because Catholics dont just practice common rituals but they also have a main leader - the pope.

yes i was catholic someone else said that catholics were supposed to pray 7 times a day. I was just stating that I had never heard of it.
acctually just because the pope leads them doesnt mean they are more unified. we don't have a "common leader" but it's not the leader that should unify a religion it should be the faith. why don't you look at the practices..during ramadan every muslim, unless they are sick or for some reason can't, fasts. they don't eat or drink from sunup to sundown. during lent, which i think is basically catholics' ramadan, some catholics give things up and refrain from doing certain things or eating certain things; they can give up whatever they want it's not specified. so on one hand, the muslims are doing the same exact thing for the same exact amount of time; on the other, the catholics don't eat meat on friday but they do what they want for every other day of the week. or like with the abortion issue or the homosexual laws, yes some catholics say that abortion should be banned and homosexuals shouldnt be allowed to get married while others say that everyone should have the right to choose what they want whether it be getting married to someone of the same sex or aborting a fetus because they dont want the child. and when you say the sunnis and shiites of Iraq are making our religion not unifed why don't you look at the rest of the world you know there's more muslims in other parts of the world besides the middle east and the only countries you named are iraq and saudi arabia there's still a bunch of other countries that dont seem to be having a problem in the middle east

[[God is a Bullet]]

No religion is more corrupt and lost than Christianity
Sunni and Shiite Wars are a campaign fueled by the US government to take some heat of themselves
the mess in the Middle-East was caused by th UK and the US and Europe in the first place , for example google the term "Project Ajax Iran" (Uk and US destroyed Democracy in Iran under the name Project Ajax)

[[God is a Bullet]]

CoolCosmic

Pomnuria Garjzla

never once in my life was I asked to pray seven times a day. even in religion class we were never asked to pray seven times a day. we all have different beliefs and I don't believe that Jesus (p.b.u.h.) had "divine origins." And my statement was what I experienced when I was Catholic, and what I experienced was NO unity.

Are you sure you were Catholic? Catholicism never prescribes a number of prayer per day. Praying 7x per day is unheard of in Catholicism & Christianity in general. Catholics are the most united people in Christianity. Catholics are even more united than Muslims. Because Catholics dont just practice common rituals but they also have a main leader - the pope.

Pomnuria Garjzla

CoolCosmic

Just look at the bloody conflict between shias and sunni muslims in iraq.

that's not a universal conflict though and it's not like all of Islam is having a civil war over it or something.

bloodshed is not universal right now but it is consistent in muslim history. conflict may not be universal but the hatred between sunnis & shias is. Like shias are persecuated in saudi arabia. Go to muslim forums and youll see sunnis calling shias false muslims.

the How come Sunii and Shiites lived in Peace, till the US interfered

[hilo547]

That is a mosque and Islam is a peace enlightment very very bright religeion.

[DapperSam]

[God is a Bullet]

CoolCosmic

Pomnuria Garjzla

never once in my life was I asked to pray seven times a day. even in religion class we were never asked to pray seven times a day. we all have different beliefs and I don't believe that Jesus (p.b.u.h.) had "divine origins." And my statement was what I experienced when I was Catholic, and what I experienced was NO unity.

Are you sure you were Catholic? Catholicism never prescribes a number of prayer per day. Praying 7x per day is unheard of in Catholicism & Christianity in general. Catholics are the most united people in Christianity. Catholics are even more united than Muslims. Because Catholics dont just practice common rituals but they also have a main leader - the pope.

Pomnuria Garjzla

CoolCosmic

Just look at the bloody conflict between shias and sunni muslims in iraq.

that's not a universal conflict though and it's not like all of Islam is having a civil war over it or something.

bloodshed is not universal right now but it is consistent in muslim history. conflict may not be universal but the hatred between sunnis & shias is. Like shias are persecuated in saudi arabia. Go to muslim forums and youll see sunnis calling shias false muslims.

the How come Sunii and Shiites lived in Peace, till the US interfered

Hahaha, you are kidding, right? I'm going to go ahead and say this, because I am actually a big fan of Islam. I love Islamic History, I have Quran's both for studying and just for appreciating the awesomeness of them.

The Sunni/Shiite divide was BORN in blood, hundreds of years before America was a thought in any European's head. The question of who gets to determine Islamic law is very important, and it's been fought about for years.

Hell, even the Sunni/Shiites only came after two other conflicts - The Shi'a schools came from the people who survived and defeated the Mu'tazilites/People of Justice and Monotheism, and the Kharjiites were a thorn in everyones sides.

Seriously, violence goes on and it's nothing to be ashamed of. You probably ought to be proud that people care enough about their beliefs to fight for them - I don't know of any Christian that would not get at least a gleam in their eye if they were told that Christians duked it out to decide whether Jesus had a body or not.

By the way, i'm rooting for the People of Justice and Monotheism to make a come-back. I'd have been proud to live under the Abbasids, and the fact that they were nearly wiped out breaks my heart.

[CoolCosmic]

God is a Bullet

No religion is more corrupt and lost than Christianity
Sunni and Shiite Wars are a campaign fueled by the US government to take some heat of themselves
the mess in the Middle-East was caused by th UK and the US and Europe in the first place , for example google the term "Project Ajax Iran" (Uk and US destroyed Democracy in Iran under the name Project Ajax)

Sunnis and Shiites have been killing each other long before Christopher Columbus was born.

God is a Bullet

the How come Sunii and Shiites lived in Peace, till the US interfered

because Saddam was a thousand times more ruthless. thats peace under tyranny, man. yeah i know, the us should have left saddam alone. his iron fist is what iraqis really need.

[CoolCosmic]

DapperSam

By the way, i'm rooting for the People of Justice and Monotheism to make a come-back. I'd have been proud to live under the Abbasids, and the fact that they were nearly wiped out breaks my heart.

Which do you think is a better system, the abbassid’s or western democracy. Are you a muslim?

[CoolCosmic]

Pomnuria Garjzla

acctually just because the pope leads them doesnt mean they are more unified. we don't have a "common leader" but it's not the leader that should unify a religion it should be the faith. why don't you look at the practices..during ramadan every muslim, unless they are sick or for some reason can't, fasts. they don't eat or drink from sunup to sundown.

I am looking at the practices. In Catholicism they are united by Faith, Practices & Leadership. Islam only has the first two, and not the leadership…that’s why fatwas may vary from places to places, and that’s why they sometimes kill each other in the name of allah. Now back to practices, you are complaining that catholics aint united on the practice of fasting. That is because fasting is never a requirement of their faith. You know what is the requirement of catholicism? The 7 sacraments. All catholics do that.


About abortion, some muslims do that too. Though they do it in secrecy. The point is there are law breakers everywhere.

Pomnuria Garjzla

and when you say the sunnis and shiites of Iraq are making our religion not unifed why don't you look at the rest of the world you know there's more muslims in other parts of the world besides the middle east and the only countries you named are iraq and saudi arabia there's still a bunch of other countries that dont seem to be having a problem in the middle east

like in sudan where muslims enslave each other. In saudi arabia where shias are discriminated.

[Ban]

CoolCosmic

I am looking at the practices. In Catholicism they are united by Faith, Practices & Leadership. Islam only has the first two, and not the leadership…that’s why fatwas may vary from places to places, and that’s why they sometimes kill each other in the name of allah. Now back to practices, you are complaining that catholics aint united on the practice of fasting. That is because fasting is never a requirement of their faith. You know what is the requirement of catholicism? The 7 sacraments. All catholics do that.

The immediate problem I see with this analogy is that you're comparing a denomination of Christianity with the whole of Islam. Moreover, I wonder if you realize that, if you're defining Catholicism merely by the seven sacraments, then no, they are united in leadership. Roman Catholics certainly hold to the seven sacraments, yet so does the Eastern Orthodoxy, who also self-identify as Catholic, yet do not follow the Pope. Then there's the Old Catholic Church, the Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglicans, United Methodists, Assyrian Christians, et cetera, et cetera. Some of these identify as Catholics. Some don't. However, all hold to the sacraments.

[Mr Jes]

Its not that its lost or corrupted, but misused by some of its followers and not understood by the rest of us.

[CheckYourself]

Firstly, NO. You're completely WRONG.
Women in the Quran are said to be the most imporatant thing in a man's life. (Apart from God.) It also says that if you are not kind to your sisters/mothers/wives you have no chance of getting into heaven. Also, it says that you shoud, love 'your mother, your mother, your mother and then your father'

Islam - means peace./submission
When a muslim greets another muslim they say the word 'salamualykum' peace be with you. and the other person responds in the same way.

terrorism - terrorists CLAIM to be muslims. WRONG. yes, fighting for islam. (what I am douing right now... standing up, not letting toher be misguided.) If you commit suicide then you will go to hell and you shall commit suicide from then on over and over again. if you muder, you will go to hell. therefore., if you commit suicide/ bomb yourself and others then you shall go to hell.)

Have you not realised..?
there is no such thing as Osama Bin laden. he was made up by American government to bring noticce to the Muslims and make people hate muslims so that America has an excuse to invade Iraq/etc etc (all the other countires) to make PEACE. something that there already was. But in actual fact, to have money!. Therefore, the american government are the EVIL CRUEL BRUTAL ones that would kill for money.

I hope all of the misguided will follow the straight path and realise the TRUTH.

[hilo547]

YourWeakness

Firstly, NO. You're completely WRONG.
Women in the Quran are said to be the most imporatant thing in a man's life. (Apart from God.) It also says that if you are not kind to your sisters/mothers/wives you have no chance of getting into heaven. Also, it says that you shoud, love 'your mother, your mother, your mother and then your father'

Islam - means peace.
When a muslim greets another muslim they say the word 'salamualykum' peace be with you. and the other person responds in the same way.

terrorism - terrorists CLAIM to be muslims. WRONG. yes, fighting for islam. (what I am douing right now... standing up, not letting toher be misguided.) If you commit suicide then you will go to hell and you shall commit suicide from then on over and over again. if you muder, you will go to hell. therefore., if you commit suicide/ bomb yourself and others then you shall go to hell.)

Have you not realised..?
there is no such thing as Osama Bin laden. he was made up by American government to bring noticce to the Muslims and make people hate muslims so that America has an excuse to invade Iraq/etc etc (all the other countires) to make PEACE. something that there already was. But in actual fact, to have money!. Therefore, the american government are the EVIL CRUEL BRUTAL ones that would kill for money.

I hope all of the misguided will follow the straight path and realise the TRUTH.

Islam means to submit to Allah./peace upon him Priase Allah /


No you acutally if a martyr you go straight into heaven.if it a holy war.

Anyone who says muslims are terrorist's are stupid.Because terrorist's can be any religeion.Even americans because they invade an other country and kill people with armies.