Is Islam a violent/ lost/ currupted religion.

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yes	50.5%	[ 432 ]
no	49.5%	[ 424 ]
Total Votes:			[ 856 ]

[[ Absolut Terror ]]

CoolCosmic

[ Absolut Terror ]

But when did I ever use dirty language/insults?

And in general, I haven't been coming here because my school year started, and is very rigorous, so please forgive my long absences.

i cant remember any. for a person who calls himself 'terror' you are pretty nice. good luck with school.

Haha. This is actually a 7th-grade screen name I was obesessed with from the anime "Evangelion" I believe. But now I don't think it's worth changing it...

I must say, that even though I strongly disagree with you at heart, you make a respectable debator for the most part. I still do have a few problems with your style, but I cannot change it, so I won't bother about it.
[One of the chief reasons I'm being this peaceful is to show you the true spirit of Islam, at least in the terms of discussion and whatnot, but even in general aspects. I sincerely hope that God guides you to whatever is best for you.]

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

[ Absolut Terror ]

This is actually a 7th-grade screen name I was obesessed with from the anime "Evangelion" I believe. But now I don't think it's worth changing it...

I'm fond of it, personally.

And I love that series.

[Pomnuria]

CoolCosmic

Pomnuria Garjzla

you interpret it to the highest extreme and you ignore the time period in which it was written.

where did I do that?

when you were posting about islam promoting martial violence. you interpreted the word 'beat' to be what we consider it to be today instead of considering the circumstances it was written under.

[Dendoi]

You can't say that a whole religon is corrupt. You can't say a whole religon is violent either. All races and relgons have their jerks and nice people. It is true tha some of he terrorists are Muslim. not all terroriss are Mslim. The IrA was a terrorist group but they were Prodestant irish not Mslim. i am a jew. Plus, there are still jewish terrorists. Rabbi Meir Kahane was a terrorist. These muslim militas are terrorists and I hate them but the don't reprasent all Muslims. You can't be against a whole race because some people in that race are terrorists.

[Zane of the darkness]

I think the terrorists are using Islam as an excuse,I'm a muslim,the Qur'an(that's how they spell it in my country) doesn't teach violence,Jihad is protecting our country,not attacking other countries.

[CoolCosmic]

Pomnuria Garjzla

when you were posting about islam promoting martial violence. you interpreted the word 'beat' to be what we consider it to be today instead of considering the circumstances it was written under.

you folks interpreted the verse as 'light beatings as a light resort'. and i accepted that muslim interpretation. i only argued the ethic consequences of this muslim policy.

why, when you said " the circumstances it was written under", are you implying that this quranic policy was only applicable in the past? that muslims are NOT supposed to apply this policy today?

[CoolCosmic]

Zane of the darkness

I think the terrorists are using Islam as an excuse,I'm a muslim,the Qur'an(that's how they spell it in my country) doesn't teach violence,Jihad is protecting our country,not attacking other countries.

islam gives the excuse.

[Zane of the darkness]

gives the excuse to what?bomb other countries?

[CoolCosmic]

Zane of the darkness

gives the excuse to what?bomb other countries?

gives the excuse to kill apostates.

the excuse to 'lightly' beat a rebellious wife as a 'last resort'.

the excuse to kill and be killed for the 'cause of allah'.

etc, etc.

[ectosenic]

CoolCosmic

Zane of the darkness

gives the excuse to what?bomb other countries?

gives the excuse to kill apostates.

the excuse to 'lightly' beat a rebellious wife as a 'last resort'.

the excuse to kill and be killed for the 'cause of allah'.

etc, etc.

Islam does not give the excuse to kill anything or anyone unless necessary nor does it give you the excuse to beat your wife whether 'lightly' or not. If you really and truly knew what this religion is about and if it really meant so much more to you, than you would know that killing is very wrong.

Terrorists who say that they are killing for the 'cause of Allah', aren't really Muslim but only Muslim by name. They can call themselves Muslims and say that they are killing for Allah, but that is the exact opposite of what Islam is about. Terrorists probably think that they are doing good by killing other people but it's wrong. I know that and you know that and the only time it is actually okay to hurt someone is when you, your country, and your women and children are being attacked.

Some Muslims aren't exactly always doing the right thing and go against Islam sometimes, but what do you expect? They're only human.

[Kazu89]

G.M.-Skel+

Here's a couple.. peaceful pieces:

There is no compulsion in religion? 2:256, ?To you be your religion, and to me my religion?; 109:6 "speak good to men" 2:83; "be patient with the detractors" 20:103 "and part from them courteously" 73:10; "pardon, with a gracious pardoning" 15:85 and "hold to forgiveness" 7:199.

To the casual reader these verses may seem to indicate that Islam is a tolerant religion; however, as with all the verses in the Qu'ran, it is important to consider the context in which they were written.
When Muhammad was in Mecca, he had a handful of followers, and therefore no power.
It was during this period which the Qu'ran's tolerant verses were dictated by Muhammad.
It was only when he came to power that he started butchering innocent people and bragged that he would cast terror in the hearts of those who did not agree with him.
If islam is so tolerant, then how many churches are there in Saudi?
Why did the Taliban tear down the tallest Buddist statue in the world?

Out of the 6000 verses in the Qu'ran, 537 are to do with injustice, 336 are to do with intolerance, 376 are to do with violence and cruelty.

It doesn't matter when the verses were written. Islam can be practiced throughout time. Teachings such as tolerating other religions are still practised when Prophet Muhammad was alive and had power. He had never kill innocent people or brag about terrorising people who did not agree with him.

For the churches and Buddhist statue part, I do not know much about it so I can't really say anything. However, if you don't mind, may I ask what proof do you have on stating that the Prophet killed and bragged when he is in power?

[The Cunnilinguist]

Kazu89

It doesn't matter when the verses were written. Islam can be practiced throughout time. Teachings such as tolerating other religions are still practised when Prophet Muhammad was alive and had power. He had never kill innocent people or brag about terrorising people who did not agree with him.

Of course, saying this only implies ignorance of the shahih hadiths or disbelief of generally accepted historical recounts of Muhammad's treatment of the Banu Qurayza. But there's always more.

Kazu89

For the churches and Buddhist statue part, I do not know much about it so I can't really say anything.

I suggest that you read about it.

As for churches in Saudi Arabia...

[zafirkahn]

if certain people do not understand islam the should not judge.the prophet peace be upon,for someone to say that he is a rapist etc.the are simple fools reason being,think logically the prophet used quran it does not start with a k.at a certain point in islamic history there was a battle many of the orignal people who knew the teachings were killed in the drefence of islam,question would you leave a woman an children alone in a time of war or would you attempt to protect them.the prophet protected them by marriage,if the woman he married wanted to have relations with him it was allowed under marriage.so for someone to say that he was a rapist etc.that person is an a** do your research properly before i forget if a muslim fights it is against kufer non belivers who go over there limit.again common sence is common to some people but not to all people.

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

zafirkahn

if certain people do not understand islam the should not judge.the prophet peace be upon,for someone to say that he is a rapist etc.the are simple fools reason being,think logically the prophet used quran it does not start with a k.at a certain point in islamic history there was a battle many of the orignal people who knew the teachings were killed in the drefence of islam,question would you leave a woman an children alone in a time of war or would you attempt to protect them.the prophet protected them by marriage,if the woman he married wanted to have relations with him it was allowed under marriage.so for someone to say that he was a rapist etc.that person is an a** do your research properly before i forget if a muslim fights it is against kufer non belivers who go over there limit.again common sence is common to some people but not to all people.

Translation:

zafirkahn

If certain people do not understand Islam, then they should not judge the religion or its adherents.

Qur'an is the proper spelling of the holy book.

There was a dispute shortly after the founding of Islam, in which many people who had been taught by Muhammad were killed.

Muhammad protected the woman he married in wartime by marrying her.
It is reasonable to assume that if they had sex, it was consentual and therefore not rape.

If a Muslim fights, it is against non-believers who go over their "limit."

Common sense is common to some people but not to all people.

Anyone want to touch this?

[afiz]

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No more excuses, please.

LoL, originally he said "No more excuses ,muhammad just wants aisha for sex".

Probably he quickly edited it after he said

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I didn’t say that its only for sex. I really think he fell in love with her when she was 6 or 7. She must have been as stunning as Jon .Benet.

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perhaps that’s the reason why his reaction to the proposal was “BUT I AM YOUR BROTHER”. But as a fanatic he obviously loved his prophet more than his jugular vein. And so he was persuaded.

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thats bull. Abu Bakr was already his closest companion before he persuaded him to give him his child aisha as wife. Abu Bakr was already a fanatic for islam. There is no need to reinforce standings with him than reinforcing standings with Umar, Uthman, and the other companions.

the only logical conclusion is that he wanted aisha because he was sexually attracted to her.

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when it comes to faith, intelligence hardly counts. How can a fanatic see any error in the ways of his beloved prophet?

See how he interpreted them in his own way.Notice the way Orientalists work, they don't even have any physical or textual evidence to back up any of the stories they invent. They will simply paint a detailed portrait of sinister motives to an otherwise neutral or benevolent event.

We work from facts on the ground, not possibilities or conspiracies.

There are hundreds of POSSIBLE motives we can invent for the actions of human beings based purely on conjecture, and the conjecture of disbelievers towards Prophets is sinister often because they project their own low characteristics on human beings too lofty to accept as being of the same human race as themselves.

One is eligble to enter contracts, such as marriage, when they enter puberty. At this point, they are no longer considered children, and they are accountable for paying zakat and they incur sins for their evil actions. So a person can marry provided they and their parent give consent and are past the age of puberty.

So let's say that muhammad marry aisha when she was 9 yrs old. SO?


A) It is not uncommon to see young people get married in Islam because one legally becomes an adult at puberty, and can enter contracts, lead the entire nation of Muslims, and get married if they feel like it. This is recommended because fornication is considered a major sin and marriage is an ideal for preserving chastity and maintaining a household, which are societal building blocks.

B) Ayesha (may God be pleased with her) was the daughter of Abu Bakr, the Prophet's (pbuh) good friend

Good reading material on the subject: why the prophet married aisha?

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=2376&CATE=120

http://www.lamppostproductions.org/a...fMyBeloved.htm

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html

note: sunnipath is an online islamic studies website made by islamic scholars.

From the first article:

1- Islam doesn’t consider it a sin for a senior to marry a minor as long as such a marriage happens with the approval of the parents, and as long as such a marriage doesn’t bring any harm on the girl.

2- The Prophet’s union with ‘Aisha was a marriage approved and witnessed by her parents. So there was no molestation involved. Never did the Prophet kiss, fondle, or touch her in any sexual fashion in a secluded area without the prior permission of her parents to marry her. As for molesters and *****, their custom is to seek secrecy with minors in order to commit the offenses they customarily commit against minors. All but one of his wives were old and widows. So the accusatio of the prophet being a ***** is disproved.

3- The Arabs around the Prophet (pbuh) didn’t consider the marriage of a minor girl to a senior to be objectionable. What stresses this point is the general excitement displayed by ‘Aisha’s mother and the women of the Ansar over the said union. Otherwise, the Prophet’s staunchest enemies would have been the first to speak out against his doing as they objected to him marrying the ex-wife of his adopted son, Zayd. And since there was no objection, we know that he didn’t do anything strange or out of the ordinary in their view.

4- ‘Aisha also approved of her marriage to the Prophet – may Allah bless and grant him peace, and didn’t consider herself taken advantage of. This is shown through the fact that she boasted of her being married and losing her virginity in Shawwal, and using it as an indication that she was the most favored of his wives. And this statement was made after the Prophet’s death when ‘Aisha had grown into a fully mature woman.

Allah means god almighty in arabic so if anyone insult allah,they are actually insulting their own god.