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Emreis
Maybe this will work, and maybe this won't, but in an attempt start a discussion that I have mixed feelings about and am wondering what yours are, I'm posing a question: How do you feel about abortions? I personally do not think they're right, rather, the woman should have the baby and put it up for adoption, but I don't think they should be illegal. If they were illegal, people would probably still get them done, but in places that probably aren't the cleanest or the safest. Also, I know everyone has their free agency, but if the couple chooses to have sex, shouldn't they be willing to bear the possible consequences? Anyways, your thoughts please.
I don't know how I missed this teh first time, but yes, I agree. The idea of using abortion as nothing more than birth control is atrocious, and irresponsible. If a woman is willing to open her legs far enough to recieve teh seed, and she gets pregnant, she should be willing to deal with the risks. Even if she tried protection, there is no reason she canot simply give the child to another family for them to love, as there are numerous families in the world where teh parents are good, intelligent people, but the Father or Mother is just Sterile.

This of course changes the moment that teh Mothers life is in danger, though. It is one thing to protect teh life of an unborn infant, and another to kill teh mother whilst doing so. If y wife demanded it, I supose I could, but I dont think I could give all teh love needed to a child that I recognised as killing teh one Woman I truly love.
Flemavenger
Emreis
Maybe this will work, and maybe this won't, but in an attempt start a discussion that I have mixed feelings about and am wondering what yours are, I'm posing a question: How do you feel about abortions? I personally do not think they're right, rather, the woman should have the baby and put it up for adoption, but I don't think they should be illegal. If they were illegal, people would probably still get them done, but in places that probably aren't the cleanest or the safest. Also, I know everyone has their free agency, but if the couple chooses to have sex, shouldn't they be willing to bear the possible consequences? Anyways, your thoughts please.
The church seems to have the standpoint of "Endangering the mother, rape and incest exceptions" only. I think the church does it mostly on a basis of church members only, rather than supporting legislation to outlaw abortions. Generally, I disagree with the legality of the rape exception, but I would never actively fight it. Since this always turns into a moral, philosophical, or religious debate, I'll just say that condoning unchaste behavior and condoning the killing of living human beings is a very slippery slope.
I'm somewhat sitting the fence with teh Rape allowance. On one hand, it is still a child worthy of love, regardless of parentage, though on teh other, many women would find ultimate disgust that they were carrying teh seed of an evil man in them. In that case, it is ultimately up to teh woman, as it is in any other.
Question. When mormons come to my door and see that I'm wearing a rainbow bracelet, why do they give me a card and leave without any words?
Relg
Question. When mormons come to my door and see that I'm wearing a rainbow bracelet, why do they give me a card and leave without any words?


I find it hard to believe that they leave immediately after seeing the rainbow bracelt. perhaps there something else in your home, or of your demeanor that makes them belive you'd be hostile towards their message.

The missionaries are really most interested in finding those who -want- to know more about the gospel
Redlancer
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Question. When mormons come to my door and see that I'm wearing a rainbow bracelet, why do they give me a card and leave without any words?


I find it hard to believe that they leave immediately after seeing the rainbow bracelt. perhaps there something else in your home, or of your demeanor that makes them belive you'd be hostile towards their message.

The missionaries are really most interested in finding those who -want- to know more about the gospel
Eh, maybe it was the platform boots. I did look really irratible though.. maybe it was that I looked hostile, I was quite annoyed at the time. Not at the missionaries though.
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Redlancer
Relg
Question. When mormons come to my door and see that I'm wearing a rainbow bracelet, why do they give me a card and leave without any words?


I find it hard to believe that they leave immediately after seeing the rainbow bracelt. perhaps there something else in your home, or of your demeanor that makes them belive you'd be hostile towards their message.

The missionaries are really most interested in finding those who -want- to know more about the gospel
Eh, maybe it was the platform boots. I did look really irratible though.. maybe it was that I looked hostile, I was quite annoyed at the time. Not at the missionaries though.


Well did the literally leave without saying a word, or did they just leave a book of mormon or some information with you first?
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Redlancer
Relg
Question. When mormons come to my door and see that I'm wearing a rainbow bracelet, why do they give me a card and leave without any words?


I find it hard to believe that they leave immediately after seeing the rainbow bracelt. perhaps there something else in your home, or of your demeanor that makes them belive you'd be hostile towards their message.

The missionaries are really most interested in finding those who -want- to know more about the gospel
Eh, maybe it was the platform boots. I did look really irratible though.. maybe it was that I looked hostile, I was quite annoyed at the time. Not at the missionaries though.


They might have not wanted to bother you if you looked irritated. I don't think they wouldn't have wanted to talk to you just because you were wearing a rainbow bracelet.
Pyropyre
Okay, Kolob its a star, that is said to be nearest to the thrown of God.

From watching a TV program, in the Great Pyramid, in the main burial chamber there is a very small vent shaft that extends up through the north side of the pyramid and it points directly an empty patch of sky, this is the celestial north pole. Which its believe that the shaft was to guide Pharaoh's spirit to the throne of God.

A star watcher will notice that all the stars appear to orbit this point of empty sky, as the Earth rotates. The Celestial pole does not change in respect to Earth's axis of roatation, it remains fixed. Even Polaris (AKA the North Star) is not entirely fixed, it orbits the celestial pole, but there is no other visible stars orbiting it more closely right now.

Polaris means "pole star", other stars have occupied that position in the past (including one with the Arabic name Kochab.)

If the Egyptians viewed this spot of empty space as the location of the Throne of God. The closest star to it would be the star the was the pole star at the time.

Egyptians even as "apostates" had still held many beliefs as Abraham, (as the "Egyptian" god Amen-Ra is Jehoveh ("Amen" Rev. 3:19)), so what I think is possible is that "Kolob" was a pole star of Abraham's time, the one "nearest to the Throne of God", the Celestial pole. The Egyptians viewed the celestial pole as the throne of God because everything appeared to rotate around that point, and the closest star would rule every other star, other stars seem subject to it.

The star that was designated by Abraham as Kolob would not be today's Polaris, but one of the other past "pole stars". The current pole star is Alpha Ursae Minoris. and would be closest to the Throne of God today, therefore "today's" Kolob.

The Book of Abraham gives the impression that such the nature of the universe, but it doesn't square with the arrangement of the universe as those who lived after the days of Copernicus, Galileo, and Newton.

However, if we were to think the Pole Star was Kolob, viewed the celestial sphere as flat, and a had beliefs in relation to Egyptian thought, it then makes some sense.

This is not considered to be official church doctrine at all, you recall the popular "rumor" that Lost Tribes had went to the North Star?

We are told by a son of Anson Call, a particular friend of the Prophet, that Joseph told him in company with others on a number of occasions that the ten tribes were on a portion of the earth that had been taken away. There is also a statement attributed to the grandson of a man with whom the Prophet once stayed. In response to his grandfather's question as to where the ten tribes were, Joseph Smith reportedly took him outside and pointed to the north star. I know most members now days think that thoughr=t is a bit outragious and consider it misunderstood or ill-reported, but in light of this theory, its seems interesting to me, as to what reason he thought the north star had signifigance.


I like this theory. I've been interested in Kolob since we looked at the books of Moses and Abraham in Seminary, and this is pretty awesome. Also pretty awesome is that Anson Call is my great-great uncle, his younger brother Omer's my grandpa's grandpa, so that makes it extra cool to me. If you have any more theories about Kolob, do share!

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Emreis
Pyropyre
Okay, Kolob its a star, that is said to be nearest to the thrown of God.

From watching a TV program, in the Great Pyramid, in the main burial chamber there is a very small vent shaft that extends up through the north side of the pyramid and it points directly an empty patch of sky, this is the celestial north pole. Which its believe that the shaft was to guide Pharaoh's spirit to the throne of God.

A star watcher will notice that all the stars appear to orbit this point of empty sky, as the Earth rotates. The Celestial pole does not change in respect to Earth's axis of roatation, it remains fixed. Even Polaris (AKA the North Star) is not entirely fixed, it orbits the celestial pole, but there is no other visible stars orbiting it more closely right now.

Polaris means "pole star", other stars have occupied that position in the past (including one with the Arabic name Kochab.)

If the Egyptians viewed this spot of empty space as the location of the Throne of God. The closest star to it would be the star the was the pole star at the time.

Egyptians even as "apostates" had still held many beliefs as Abraham, (as the "Egyptian" god Amen-Ra is Jehoveh ("Amen" Rev. 3:19)), so what I think is possible is that "Kolob" was a pole star of Abraham's time, the one "nearest to the Throne of God", the Celestial pole. The Egyptians viewed the celestial pole as the throne of God because everything appeared to rotate around that point, and the closest star would rule every other star, other stars seem subject to it.

The star that was designated by Abraham as Kolob would not be today's Polaris, but one of the other past "pole stars". The current pole star is Alpha Ursae Minoris. and would be closest to the Throne of God today, therefore "today's" Kolob.

The Book of Abraham gives the impression that such the nature of the universe, but it doesn't square with the arrangement of the universe as those who lived after the days of Copernicus, Galileo, and Newton.

However, if we were to think the Pole Star was Kolob, viewed the celestial sphere as flat, and a had beliefs in relation to Egyptian thought, it then makes some sense.

This is not considered to be official church doctrine at all, you recall the popular "rumor" that Lost Tribes had went to the North Star?

We are told by a son of Anson Call, a particular friend of the Prophet, that Joseph told him in company with others on a number of occasions that the ten tribes were on a portion of the earth that had been taken away. There is also a statement attributed to the grandson of a man with whom the Prophet once stayed. In response to his grandfather's question as to where the ten tribes were, Joseph Smith reportedly took him outside and pointed to the north star. I know most members now days think that thoughr=t is a bit outragious and consider it misunderstood or ill-reported, but in light of this theory, its seems interesting to me, as to what reason he thought the north star had signifigance.


I like this theory. I've been interested in Kolob since we looked at the books of Moses and Abraham in Seminary, and this is pretty awesome. Also pretty awesome is that Anson Call is my great-great uncle, his younger brother Omer's my grandpa's grandpa, so that makes it extra cool to me. If you have any more theories about Kolob, do share!


i'm so hot i think i'm gonna melt....can i comment on several things in one post? ok. shall save time and confusion.

on Kolob: i find that very interesting as well. i'm guessing ppl can't get in there to see the little hole thingy? cause that would be really cool. i've never heard that story about Joseph Smith but yes that is really interesting.

on Abortion: i disagree in almost all cases. the way i see it, you had your choice and you already made it. if you don't want to keep the baby give it up for adoption cause there are plenty of couples who want kids and can't have them. and you're right. rape is a difficult one. i guess i have to stop and think what i might do in that situation as unpleasant as imagining that is. right now i'm thinking i'd have the baby, but when actually placed in that situation i have no idea what i'd really do.

on EFY: good for you! i've never been. what is it?

on llamas: dramallama whee
Pyropyre
Okay, Kolob its a star, that is said to be nearest to the thrown of God.

From watching a TV program, in the Great Pyramid, in the main burial chamber there is a very small vent shaft that extends up through the north side of the pyramid and it points directly an empty patch of sky, this is the celestial north pole. Which its believe that the shaft was to guide Pharaoh's spirit to the throne of God.

A star watcher will notice that all the stars appear to orbit this point of empty sky, as the Earth rotates. The Celestial pole does not change in respect to Earth's axis of roatation, it remains fixed. Even Polaris (AKA the North Star) is not entirely fixed, it orbits the celestial pole, but there is no other visible stars orbiting it more closely right now.

Polaris means "pole star", other stars have occupied that position in the past (including one with the Arabic name Kochab.)

If the Egyptians viewed this spot of empty space as the location of the Throne of God. The closest star to it would be the star the was the pole star at the time.

Egyptians even as "apostates" had still held many beliefs as Abraham, (as the "Egyptian" god Amen-Ra is Jehoveh ("Amen" Rev. 3:19)), so what I think is possible is that "Kolob" was a pole star of Abraham's time, the one "nearest to the Throne of God", the Celestial pole. The Egyptians viewed the celestial pole as the throne of God because everything appeared to rotate around that point, and the closest star would rule every other star, other stars seem subject to it.

The star that was designated by Abraham as Kolob would not be today's Polaris, but one of the other past "pole stars". The current pole star is Alpha Ursae Minoris. and would be closest to the Throne of God today, therefore "today's" Kolob.

The Book of Abraham gives the impression that such the nature of the universe, but it doesn't square with the arrangement of the universe as those who lived after the days of Copernicus, Galileo, and Newton.

However, if we were to think the Pole Star was Kolob, viewed the celestial sphere as flat, and a had beliefs in relation to Egyptian thought, it then makes some sense.

This is not considered to be official church doctrine at all, you recall the popular "rumor" that Lost Tribes had went to the North Star?

We are told by a son of Anson Call, a particular friend of the Prophet, that Joseph told him in company with others on a number of occasions that the ten tribes were on a portion of the earth that had been taken away. There is also a statement attributed to the grandson of a man with whom the Prophet once stayed. In response to his grandfather's question as to where the ten tribes were, Joseph Smith reportedly took him outside and pointed to the north star. I know most members now days think that thoughr=t is a bit outragious and consider it misunderstood or ill-reported, but in light of this theory, its seems interesting to me, as to what reason he thought the north star had signifigance.


I like it. It makes as much sense as the rest of your religion. Wild and wacky theories abound.

How you got all of that out of a mistranslated funeral text, I don't know. But if I was in the habit of swallowing every bit of bullshit ever written, I'd totally buy yours.
Pyropyre
Okay, Kolob its a star, that is said to be nearest to the thrown of God.

From watching a TV program, in the Great Pyramid, in the main burial chamber there is a very small vent shaft that extends up through the north side of the pyramid and it points directly an empty patch of sky, this is the celestial north pole. Which its believe that the shaft was to guide Pharaoh's spirit to the throne of God.

A star watcher will notice that all the stars appear to orbit this point of empty sky, as the Earth rotates. The Celestial pole does not change in respect to Earth's axis of roatation, it remains fixed. Even Polaris (AKA the North Star) is not entirely fixed, it orbits the celestial pole, but there is no other visible stars orbiting it more closely right now.

Polaris means "pole star", other stars have occupied that position in the past (including one with the Arabic name Kochab.)

If the Egyptians viewed this spot of empty space as the location of the Throne of God. The closest star to it would be the star the was the pole star at the time.

Egyptians even as "apostates" had still held many beliefs as Abraham, (as the "Egyptian" god Amen-Ra is Jehoveh ("Amen" Rev. 3:19)), so what I think is possible is that "Kolob" was a pole star of Abraham's time, the one "nearest to the Throne of God", the Celestial pole. The Egyptians viewed the celestial pole as the throne of God because everything appeared to rotate around that point, and the closest star would rule every other star, other stars seem subject to it.

The star that was designated by Abraham as Kolob would not be today's Polaris, but one of the other past "pole stars". The current pole star is Alpha Ursae Minoris. and would be closest to the Throne of God today, therefore "today's" Kolob.

The Book of Abraham gives the impression that such the nature of the universe, but it doesn't square with the arrangement of the universe as those who lived after the days of Copernicus, Galileo, and Newton.

However, if we were to think the Pole Star was Kolob, viewed the celestial sphere as flat, and a had beliefs in relation to Egyptian thought, it then makes some sense.

This is not considered to be official church doctrine at all, you recall the popular "rumor" that Lost Tribes had went to the North Star?

We are told by a son of Anson Call, a particular friend of the Prophet, that Joseph told him in company with others on a number of occasions that the ten tribes were on a portion of the earth that had been taken away. There is also a statement attributed to the grandson of a man with whom the Prophet once stayed. In response to his grandfather's question as to where the ten tribes were, Joseph Smith reportedly took him outside and pointed to the north star. I know most members now days think that thoughr=t is a bit outragious and consider it misunderstood or ill-reported, but in light of this theory, its seems interesting to me, as to what reason he thought the north star had signifigance.


Perhaps I am just speculating but a thought just came to me. The Egyptians were very advanced in their knowledge of the universe. They knew there were 9 planets before Pluto's discovery in 1930. For them to believe that the stars are orbiting around a single spot in the sky, very close to earth's pole star which would be considered kolob, generally gives the Egyptians little credit for their advanced knowledge of the way the universe really works. Maybe their idea of Kolob occured earlier on in Egyptian history and their advanced discoveries came later, or maybe I'm just giving them too much credit.
babykittymaxwell
on Abortion: i disagree in almost all cases. the way i see it, you had your choice and you already made it. if you don't want to keep the baby give it up for adoption cause there are plenty of couples who want kids and can't have them. and you're right. rape is a difficult one. i guess i have to stop and think what i might do in that situation as unpleasant as imagining that is. right now i'm thinking i'd have the baby, but when actually placed in that situation i have no idea what i'd really do.

on EFY: good for you! i've never been. what is it?

on llamas: dramallama whee
So, even if having the child would kill you, leaving any and all other children you had before motherless, you'd have it anyway?

And EFY is "Especially For Youth". Pheonix, the girl who started teh "Mormons..." thread, is actually headed to Provo right now for EFY.
Flemavenger
Pyropyre
Okay, Kolob its a star, that is said to be nearest to the thrown of God.

From watching a TV program, in the Great Pyramid, in the main burial chamber there is a very small vent shaft that extends up through the north side of the pyramid and it points directly an empty patch of sky, this is the celestial north pole. Which its believe that the shaft was to guide Pharaoh's spirit to the throne of God.

A star watcher will notice that all the stars appear to orbit this point of empty sky, as the Earth rotates. The Celestial pole does not change in respect to Earth's axis of roatation, it remains fixed. Even Polaris (AKA the North Star) is not entirely fixed, it orbits the celestial pole, but there is no other visible stars orbiting it more closely right now.

Polaris means "pole star", other stars have occupied that position in the past (including one with the Arabic name Kochab.)

If the Egyptians viewed this spot of empty space as the location of the Throne of God. The closest star to it would be the star the was the pole star at the time.

Egyptians even as "apostates" had still held many beliefs as Abraham, (as the "Egyptian" god Amen-Ra is Jehoveh ("Amen" Rev. 3:19)), so what I think is possible is that "Kolob" was a pole star of Abraham's time, the one "nearest to the Throne of God", the Celestial pole. The Egyptians viewed the celestial pole as the throne of God because everything appeared to rotate around that point, and the closest star would rule every other star, other stars seem subject to it.

The star that was designated by Abraham as Kolob would not be today's Polaris, but one of the other past "pole stars". The current pole star is Alpha Ursae Minoris. and would be closest to the Throne of God today, therefore "today's" Kolob.

The Book of Abraham gives the impression that such the nature of the universe, but it doesn't square with the arrangement of the universe as those who lived after the days of Copernicus, Galileo, and Newton.

However, if we were to think the Pole Star was Kolob, viewed the celestial sphere as flat, and a had beliefs in relation to Egyptian thought, it then makes some sense.

This is not considered to be official church doctrine at all, you recall the popular "rumor" that Lost Tribes had went to the North Star?

We are told by a son of Anson Call, a particular friend of the Prophet, that Joseph told him in company with others on a number of occasions that the ten tribes were on a portion of the earth that had been taken away. There is also a statement attributed to the grandson of a man with whom the Prophet once stayed. In response to his grandfather's question as to where the ten tribes were, Joseph Smith reportedly took him outside and pointed to the north star. I know most members now days think that thoughr=t is a bit outragious and consider it misunderstood or ill-reported, but in light of this theory, its seems interesting to me, as to what reason he thought the north star had signifigance.


Perhaps I am just speculating but a thought just came to me. The Egyptians were very advanced in their knowledge of the universe. They knew there were 9 planets before Pluto's discovery in 1930. For them to believe that the stars are orbiting around a single spot in the sky, very close to earth's pole star which would be considered kolob, generally gives the Egyptians little credit for their advanced knowledge of the way the universe really works. Maybe their idea of Kolob occured earlier on in Egyptian history and their advanced discoveries came later, or maybe I'm just giving them too much credit.
How about the fact that they worshipped a completely different God from teh Hebrews, and had a certain number of deadly plagues set on them by said God?
*raises hand* I have a question... um, do all mormons use "prayer" as their only response as to what someone should do when they are depressed, or do some of them give advice beyond this? I am actually asking this question, not trying to be mean or say anything hurtful, I have personal reasons for asking.

Also, if a girl sends a boy on mission, is it normal for him to give her his blessing to date others, and is it normal for her to date others while still waiting for him to come back so they can be married nigh immediately?

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