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These are the rules for the thread. Read the rainbow text, follow what it says and you wont get banned and/or reported.
Also, the links aren't here just to look pretty. All of them contain good information about fat acceptance or health studies related to fat and health. Please educate yourself before posting.
This thread is for the support of fat acceptance and health at EVERY size; that means healthy fat/thin/inbetween people. Please at least attempt to read all of the first page. This is not a thread for asking for help with weight loss or diet talk. Out of respect for people with eating disorders, or who are trying to recover, or are recovered, we ask that there be no diet talk.
This thread is not for debating whether or not diets work or why fat people 'should' diet or exercise more or for how fat people are so fat because they're lazy gluttenous slobs
This thread is definately not for pointing out all the supposed health risks of being overweight or obese; if you want to talk about that take it somewhere else. Posters who insist on doing nothing but the above will be banned without warning.
This is a thread for talking about our culture's obsession with ultra-thin and the impossibly beautiful and why people think that fat people should change. Here's a clue; they don't have too.
This is a thread for talking about why you love your body and what you love about it.
This thread is not meant to exclude thin people; I choose to focus on the fat angle because I'm seen as fat and fat discrimination and harassment is much more prevelent than that against thin people. See "Why FAT Acceptance" below.
This thread does not tolerate fat bashing in any way shape or form; don't like fat people or can't wrap your mind around the idea of a fat, healthy, happy person? Don't post. Any posts bashing fat people will be reported as breaking the rules of the thread and as flaming or trolling, depending on the context. Then I'll put you on my ignore list so you can't come back, again, without warning.
This thread is meant to be a SAFE SPACE for people of ALL sizes so any thin-bashing/skinny b***h comments will also not be tolerated.
I don't mind you having an opinion of your own, but this isn't the place for it if it's negative towards fat people. The same rules apply for any other acceptance threads; you can't walk into a gay/black/Jewish/Christian acceptance/discussion thread and start bashing the people who are posting there. It's obviously trolling and will be treated as such here.
THE BIG FAT MANIFESTO~EikoCarol21
I also want to put up a manifesto for Fat Acceptance for the upcoming new year, because I feel that we should have a set of goals for ourselves:
1. The reclamation of the word fat: Fat has been moralized, demonized and insulted over the years. That needs to stop. Fat is not an insult. It is a neutral physical descriptor of a body, just like the color of one's eyes, or a notation on height. We are reclaiming this word in the name of fat acceptance, for it is our namesake.
2. We will tell our own stories: The media likes to show only one type of fat person: the one who wallows in their own misery, consistently apologizing to the world for not being thin. Instead of complaining when we see distorted representations of our experiences, we vow to seek positions of power and/or find ways to support other fat people to do so, so that we can write our own narratives, not anyone else.
3. We will remember that we are human: Contrary to popular belief, we are not superhuman. We will allow our selves to hurt, so long as we allow ourselves to heal.
4. We will love ourselves and each other: We pledge to speak positivity into our lives and the lives of others. We will mentor other fat men and women and uplift them.
5. Fat acceptance requires acceptance of all sizes and the choices fat people make about their bodies:"My body, my choice." Fat people should be allowed agency over their bodies without you up in their faces telling them how wrong what they're doing is. You don't have to like it, but you do have to accept it.
6. HAES is our choice for health maintenance: We are here to focus on a sustainable health maintenance system, and HAES WORKS. We will not emphasize weight loss as our way to maintain health, but we will not diminish those who have lost weight.
7. We will NOT accept any type of body shaming. Period. That goes for ANY body, fat, thin, able bodied, disabled, cis gendered, transgendered, black, white, magenta, cerulean. Every person is REAL.
This is why we need to end negative body talk: there are more women suffering from anorexia or bulemia than breast cancer.
Is Everyone Who's Obese Actually Unhealthy?
"It's not unusual to find someone come into your practice whose BMI is 30 or 32 (technically obese). This might be someone who is physically active, who is eating a good healthy diet. If you followed the guidelines to the letter you would be prescribing obesity treatment when there's really no reason to do that, because they're not medically obese."
"It's not enough to just know how big someone is. In order to make medical decisions, you need to know how sick someone is."
His appeal comes as evidence begins to mount that a significant proportion of fat people are metabolically healthy. One in every three people who are obese - and half of those who are overweight - may be resistant to fat-related abnormalities that increase their risk of cardiovascular disease, according to new research from Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York.
The concept of "benign obesity" has been known for more than 20 years. Only now are researchers discovering the scope of the phenomenon."
[...]He and others believe the concept of "overweight" should be abandoned, "because that implies that you are over the ideal, that there is some magical weight you shouldn't be over."
From the New York Times: GENES TAKE CHARGE, diets fall by the wayside...Read the whole thing here! Being fat is an inherited condition.
THANK YOU.
I feel this is the thing that has been left out from both arguments--with Deadly and with the Colonel.
Lifestyle (type of food typically eaten, activity level) can lead to weight gain/true, true.
Genetics can lead to weight gain/fatness, true.
Other contributing factors?
Try any combination of the following:
medications (so many of them!)
medical conditions (thyroid, glandular, hormonal--like PCOS--PLEASE RESEARCH PCOS BEFORE TRYING TO DISPUTE IT) (Here are two great threads about PCOS!)
long term injury
disability!! And not just wheelchair-bound; there are thousands of different kinds of disabilities, and not all are visible!!
available finances and time, which often depends on one's socio-economic status
environment--does one live in a "food desert" (where there is only cheap, fast food-esque, canned, pre-packaged food available and little to no fresh fruits/veggies)?
ALL these things can lead to being fat. They EACH have an affect on the human body, and not ONE can be ignored.
A great newsweek article, with pictures, of fat, active, healthy people. Check it out!
Looking for FATshion? Check out page 343!
Two great links for those interested in medications with the side effect of weight gain! A list of over 300 medications and an article that discusses the relationship between weight gain and certain meds.
The Top 10 Myths about Obesity!
For the fat men out there: Men in Full!; one of the only places on the internet that hosts intelligent, appreciative and non-fetish discussion of fat men, both of today and through-out history.
IMPORTANT CONCEPTS:
The Rules of Nutrition: 1: Eat or die. 2. Other than that, there are NO RULES.
The following link blows the lid of the concepts and concerns of the 'obesity epidemic'-Big Fat Facts. Enjoy.
Kate Harding explains: Why FAT Acceptance. She discusses the importance of recognizing the fat hate the permeates Western Culture and the sheer difficulty of being fat in a world that hates you just for being alive. Also: Once more with feeling: We Already Know We Are Fat! Tying into this? We saw the Epidemic, and it was Us. Both are fantastic pieces from Shapely Prose/Kate Harding and definitely worth a read as they cover very extensively the 'but YOU'RE not FAT!!' phenomena.
Intuitive Eating: This is the idea that you can eat what you want, when you want, that there aren't any 'good' foods or 'bad' foods, that food is morally neutral. Intuitive eating is when your body tels you you're hungry for a peanut butter and jam sandwich, you go make and eat one, or grab a cookie or two, or an apple or whatever it is your body is telling you it needs. Intuitive eating puts you back in touch with the basic instincts and drives of your body; when you're hungry and thirsty is something most of us have learned to ignore or put off. By listening to and trusting those messages you will become a healthier person without dieting or strenuous excersize.
HAES: Health at Every Size- the idea that anyone, no matter the number on the scale, can be a healthy person. Size 2? 350lbs? You can be healthy, and not just physically healthy either-mental and emotional health plays a large part in this. HAES destroys the notion that fat people cannot be healthy, because they can. Its' not about the number on the scale or your BMI-it's how healthy you are.
Important information regarding eating disorders for different races and socioeconomic classes can be found right here!
The following is copied and pasted from Shapely Prose, a fabulous blog by the equally fabulous Kate Harding. I've got it up here for all the people who come into the thread and assume that fat people are lazy, gluttenous slobs who have no interest in their health and for people who cannot wrap their heads around the idea that there could possibly be a healthy fat person. There are lots of us, many of whom have posted here in the thread. READ THE LINKS.
Also, THIS is an excellent post talking about BMI and why its' not meant to mean anything, medically or 'health' wise.
BANNERS!
Also, the links aren't here just to look pretty. All of them contain good information about fat acceptance or health studies related to fat and health. Please educate yourself before posting.
This thread is for the support of fat acceptance and health at EVERY size; that means healthy fat/thin/inbetween people. Please at least attempt to read all of the first page. This is not a thread for asking for help with weight loss or diet talk. Out of respect for people with eating disorders, or who are trying to recover, or are recovered, we ask that there be no diet talk.
This thread is not for debating whether or not diets work or why fat people 'should' diet or exercise more or for how fat people are so fat because they're lazy gluttenous slobs
This thread is definately not for pointing out all the supposed health risks of being overweight or obese; if you want to talk about that take it somewhere else. Posters who insist on doing nothing but the above will be banned without warning.
This is a thread for talking about our culture's obsession with ultra-thin and the impossibly beautiful and why people think that fat people should change. Here's a clue; they don't have too.
This is a thread for talking about why you love your body and what you love about it.
This thread is not meant to exclude thin people; I choose to focus on the fat angle because I'm seen as fat and fat discrimination and harassment is much more prevelent than that against thin people. See "Why FAT Acceptance" below.
This thread does not tolerate fat bashing in any way shape or form; don't like fat people or can't wrap your mind around the idea of a fat, healthy, happy person? Don't post. Any posts bashing fat people will be reported as breaking the rules of the thread and as flaming or trolling, depending on the context. Then I'll put you on my ignore list so you can't come back, again, without warning.
This thread is meant to be a SAFE SPACE for people of ALL sizes so any thin-bashing/skinny b***h comments will also not be tolerated.
I don't mind you having an opinion of your own, but this isn't the place for it if it's negative towards fat people. The same rules apply for any other acceptance threads; you can't walk into a gay/black/Jewish/Christian acceptance/discussion thread and start bashing the people who are posting there. It's obviously trolling and will be treated as such here.
THE BIG FAT MANIFESTO~EikoCarol21
I also want to put up a manifesto for Fat Acceptance for the upcoming new year, because I feel that we should have a set of goals for ourselves:
1. The reclamation of the word fat: Fat has been moralized, demonized and insulted over the years. That needs to stop. Fat is not an insult. It is a neutral physical descriptor of a body, just like the color of one's eyes, or a notation on height. We are reclaiming this word in the name of fat acceptance, for it is our namesake.
2. We will tell our own stories: The media likes to show only one type of fat person: the one who wallows in their own misery, consistently apologizing to the world for not being thin. Instead of complaining when we see distorted representations of our experiences, we vow to seek positions of power and/or find ways to support other fat people to do so, so that we can write our own narratives, not anyone else.
3. We will remember that we are human: Contrary to popular belief, we are not superhuman. We will allow our selves to hurt, so long as we allow ourselves to heal.
4. We will love ourselves and each other: We pledge to speak positivity into our lives and the lives of others. We will mentor other fat men and women and uplift them.
5. Fat acceptance requires acceptance of all sizes and the choices fat people make about their bodies:"My body, my choice." Fat people should be allowed agency over their bodies without you up in their faces telling them how wrong what they're doing is. You don't have to like it, but you do have to accept it.
6. HAES is our choice for health maintenance: We are here to focus on a sustainable health maintenance system, and HAES WORKS. We will not emphasize weight loss as our way to maintain health, but we will not diminish those who have lost weight.
7. We will NOT accept any type of body shaming. Period. That goes for ANY body, fat, thin, able bodied, disabled, cis gendered, transgendered, black, white, magenta, cerulean. Every person is REAL.
This is why we need to end negative body talk: there are more women suffering from anorexia or bulemia than breast cancer.
disconnectedsmile
okay. so, i found an AMAZING resource for all the information society seemingly doesn't want us to know about fat and health.
http://www.obesitymyths.com/downloads/obesityMyths.pdf
http://www.obesitymyths.com/downloads/obesityMyths.pdf
EladrinStarmist
Holy god you guys! Check this out! blaugh Someone finally figured out what FA and HAES advocates have been saying for years! YOU CAN BE FAT AND HEALTHY. There it is in black and ******** white. Up yours, fat-haters and concern trolls!
Is Everyone Who's Obese Actually Unhealthy?
National Post and Dr. Sharma
"It's not unusual to find someone come into your practice whose BMI is 30 or 32 (technically obese). This might be someone who is physically active, who is eating a good healthy diet. If you followed the guidelines to the letter you would be prescribing obesity treatment when there's really no reason to do that, because they're not medically obese."
"It's not enough to just know how big someone is. In order to make medical decisions, you need to know how sick someone is."
His appeal comes as evidence begins to mount that a significant proportion of fat people are metabolically healthy. One in every three people who are obese - and half of those who are overweight - may be resistant to fat-related abnormalities that increase their risk of cardiovascular disease, according to new research from Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York.
The concept of "benign obesity" has been known for more than 20 years. Only now are researchers discovering the scope of the phenomenon."
[...]He and others believe the concept of "overweight" should be abandoned, "because that implies that you are over the ideal, that there is some magical weight you shouldn't be over."
From the New York Times: GENES TAKE CHARGE, diets fall by the wayside...Read the whole thing here! Being fat is an inherited condition.
Nayva
LadyEladrin
Colonel Augustus: Simple thermodynamics do not account for all of the other reasons I mentioned why people gain weight. Sure, the simple idea of calories in/calories out that we hear SO MUCH ABOUT here makes sense, until you throw in say, a depression medication that causes weight gain. Or PCOS, a condition for women where they have unexpected weight gain. Or a back injury that prevents a person from doing the sports or activities they used too. Or someone who can't afford fresh fruits and veggies or lean meat and has to eat a lot of cheap carbs to get by. Then your simple thermodynamics get botched by real human problems in the real world.
THANK YOU.
I feel this is the thing that has been left out from both arguments--with Deadly and with the Colonel.
Lifestyle (type of food typically eaten, activity level) can lead to weight gain/true, true.
Genetics can lead to weight gain/fatness, true.
Other contributing factors?
Try any combination of the following:
medications (so many of them!)
medical conditions (thyroid, glandular, hormonal--like PCOS--PLEASE RESEARCH PCOS BEFORE TRYING TO DISPUTE IT) (Here are two great threads about PCOS!)
long term injury
disability!! And not just wheelchair-bound; there are thousands of different kinds of disabilities, and not all are visible!!
available finances and time, which often depends on one's socio-economic status
environment--does one live in a "food desert" (where there is only cheap, fast food-esque, canned, pre-packaged food available and little to no fresh fruits/veggies)?
ALL these things can lead to being fat. They EACH have an affect on the human body, and not ONE can be ignored.
A great newsweek article, with pictures, of fat, active, healthy people. Check it out!
Looking for FATshion? Check out page 343!
Two great links for those interested in medications with the side effect of weight gain! A list of over 300 medications and an article that discusses the relationship between weight gain and certain meds.
From Bri at Fat Lot of Good.
It doesn’t matter if someone who is fat chooses to eat baby flavoured donuts all day every day and never move from their sofa. It doesn’t matter if someone who is fat is a vegan who teaches yoga 6 times a day. It just does not matter.
The simple fact is that every single fat person deserves to be treated with dignity and respect until their behaviour, as opposed to the way they look, warrants otherwise. Just the same as every skinny person. And just the same as every in-betweenie person. What matters is that people begin to understand (and then totally understand and then act on) this simple concept rather than being blinded and choked by their fat hatred.
That is what matters.
It doesn’t matter if someone who is fat chooses to eat baby flavoured donuts all day every day and never move from their sofa. It doesn’t matter if someone who is fat is a vegan who teaches yoga 6 times a day. It just does not matter.
The simple fact is that every single fat person deserves to be treated with dignity and respect until their behaviour, as opposed to the way they look, warrants otherwise. Just the same as every skinny person. And just the same as every in-betweenie person. What matters is that people begin to understand (and then totally understand and then act on) this simple concept rather than being blinded and choked by their fat hatred.
That is what matters.
The Top 10 Myths about Obesity!
For the fat men out there: Men in Full!; one of the only places on the internet that hosts intelligent, appreciative and non-fetish discussion of fat men, both of today and through-out history.
IMPORTANT CONCEPTS:
The Rules of Nutrition: 1: Eat or die. 2. Other than that, there are NO RULES.
The following link blows the lid of the concepts and concerns of the 'obesity epidemic'-Big Fat Facts. Enjoy.
Kate Harding explains: Why FAT Acceptance. She discusses the importance of recognizing the fat hate the permeates Western Culture and the sheer difficulty of being fat in a world that hates you just for being alive. Also: Once more with feeling: We Already Know We Are Fat! Tying into this? We saw the Epidemic, and it was Us. Both are fantastic pieces from Shapely Prose/Kate Harding and definitely worth a read as they cover very extensively the 'but YOU'RE not FAT!!' phenomena.
Intuitive Eating: This is the idea that you can eat what you want, when you want, that there aren't any 'good' foods or 'bad' foods, that food is morally neutral. Intuitive eating is when your body tels you you're hungry for a peanut butter and jam sandwich, you go make and eat one, or grab a cookie or two, or an apple or whatever it is your body is telling you it needs. Intuitive eating puts you back in touch with the basic instincts and drives of your body; when you're hungry and thirsty is something most of us have learned to ignore or put off. By listening to and trusting those messages you will become a healthier person without dieting or strenuous excersize.
HAES: Health at Every Size- the idea that anyone, no matter the number on the scale, can be a healthy person. Size 2? 350lbs? You can be healthy, and not just physically healthy either-mental and emotional health plays a large part in this. HAES destroys the notion that fat people cannot be healthy, because they can. Its' not about the number on the scale or your BMI-it's how healthy you are.
Important information regarding eating disorders for different races and socioeconomic classes can be found right here!
The following is copied and pasted from Shapely Prose, a fabulous blog by the equally fabulous Kate Harding. I've got it up here for all the people who come into the thread and assume that fat people are lazy, gluttenous slobs who have no interest in their health and for people who cannot wrap their heads around the idea that there could possibly be a healthy fat person. There are lots of us, many of whom have posted here in the thread. READ THE LINKS.
KateHarding
1A: Poor nutrition and a sedentary lifestyle do cause health problems, in people of all sizes. This is why it’s so ******** crucial to separate the concept of "obesity" from "eating crap and not excercising." The two are simply not synonymous — not even close — and it’s not only incredibly offensive but dangerous for thin people to keep pretending that they are. There are thin people who eat crap and don’t exercise — and are thus putting their health at risk — and there are fat people who treat their bodies very well but remain fat. Really truly.
2. Weight itself is not a health problem, except in the most extreme cases (i.e., being underweight or so fat you’re immobilized). In fact, fat people live longer than thin people and are more likely to survive cardiac events, and some studies have shown that fat can "protect against infections, cancer, lung disease, heart disease, osteoperosis, anemia, high blood pressure, rheumatoid arthritis and type 2 diabetes". Yeah, you read that right: even the goddamned diabetes. Now, I’m not saying we should all go out and get fat for our health (which we wouldn’t be able to do anyway, because noone knows how to make a naturally thin person fat any more than they know how to make a naturally fat person thin; see point 4), but I’m definitely saying obesity research is turning up surprising information all the time — much of which goes ignored by the media — and people who give a damn about critical thinking would be foolish to accept the party line on fat. Just because you’ve heard over and over and over that fat! kills! doesn’t mean it’s true. It just means that people in this culture really love saying it.
3. What’s more, those groups do not represent anomalies; no one has proven that fat people generally eat more or exercise less than thin people. Period. And believe me, they’ve tried.
4. Diets don’t work. If you want to tell me about how YOUR diet totally worked, do me a favor and wait until you’ve kept all the weight off for five years. Not one year, not four years, five years. And if you’ve kept it off for that long, congratulations. You’re literally a freak of nature.
5. Given that diets don’t work in the long-term for the vast, vast majority of people, even if obesity in and of itself were a health crisis, how the ******** would you propose we solve it?
6. Most fat people have already dieted repeatedly. And sadly, it’s likely that the dieting will cause more health problems than the fat did.
7. Human beings deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. Fat people are human beings.
8. Even fat people who are unhealthy still deserve dignity and respect. Still human beings. See how that works?
9. In any case, shaming teh fatties for being “unhealthy” doesn’t ******** help. If shame made people thin, there wouldn't be a fat person in this country, trust me. I wish I could remember who said this, ’cause it’s one of my favorite quotes of all time: “You cannot hate people for their own good.”
10. If you scratch an article on the obesity! crisis! you will almost always find a press release from a company that’s developing a weight loss drug — or from a "research group" that's funded by such companies.
So let’s just be clear that if you want to tell me fat people are disgusting and unhealthy in comments, all I’m gonna do is point you back to this post. (And then probably ban you. LE)
Oh, also? BMI is complete horseshit. Plus this: BMI changed in 1998 to include MORE people.
2. Weight itself is not a health problem, except in the most extreme cases (i.e., being underweight or so fat you’re immobilized). In fact, fat people live longer than thin people and are more likely to survive cardiac events, and some studies have shown that fat can "protect against infections, cancer, lung disease, heart disease, osteoperosis, anemia, high blood pressure, rheumatoid arthritis and type 2 diabetes". Yeah, you read that right: even the goddamned diabetes. Now, I’m not saying we should all go out and get fat for our health (which we wouldn’t be able to do anyway, because noone knows how to make a naturally thin person fat any more than they know how to make a naturally fat person thin; see point 4), but I’m definitely saying obesity research is turning up surprising information all the time — much of which goes ignored by the media — and people who give a damn about critical thinking would be foolish to accept the party line on fat. Just because you’ve heard over and over and over that fat! kills! doesn’t mean it’s true. It just means that people in this culture really love saying it.
3. What’s more, those groups do not represent anomalies; no one has proven that fat people generally eat more or exercise less than thin people. Period. And believe me, they’ve tried.
4. Diets don’t work. If you want to tell me about how YOUR diet totally worked, do me a favor and wait until you’ve kept all the weight off for five years. Not one year, not four years, five years. And if you’ve kept it off for that long, congratulations. You’re literally a freak of nature.
5. Given that diets don’t work in the long-term for the vast, vast majority of people, even if obesity in and of itself were a health crisis, how the ******** would you propose we solve it?
6. Most fat people have already dieted repeatedly. And sadly, it’s likely that the dieting will cause more health problems than the fat did.
7. Human beings deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. Fat people are human beings.
8. Even fat people who are unhealthy still deserve dignity and respect. Still human beings. See how that works?
9. In any case, shaming teh fatties for being “unhealthy” doesn’t ******** help. If shame made people thin, there wouldn't be a fat person in this country, trust me. I wish I could remember who said this, ’cause it’s one of my favorite quotes of all time: “You cannot hate people for their own good.”
10. If you scratch an article on the obesity! crisis! you will almost always find a press release from a company that’s developing a weight loss drug — or from a "research group" that's funded by such companies.
So let’s just be clear that if you want to tell me fat people are disgusting and unhealthy in comments, all I’m gonna do is point you back to this post. (And then probably ban you. LE)
Oh, also? BMI is complete horseshit. Plus this: BMI changed in 1998 to include MORE people.
Also, THIS is an excellent post talking about BMI and why its' not meant to mean anything, medically or 'health' wise.
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