so whats so hard bout believing in God

[Natrina]

ebuny

I just want to know what so hard about beleiveing in God. Im not going against any atheist but i want know cause i am a Christian and proud of it but i dont under stand why cant you stop trying to find a logical and scientific explaination?

It's not that it's hard to believe in God. It's simply that there is no reason to. Why would you? Cause you'll burn in hell otherwise? Talk about fear speech tactics. Wasn't he and his believers supposed to be all loving? Contradictions, contradictions.

[soy un perdador]

You know the game "telephone"? If you don't, it's were you whisper a phrase in someones ear, and then they in turn whisper it into someone else's ear until it reaches the last person. The last person then tells everybody what they heard. For instance, say the phrase was "My cat is named Typhoon," by the time the last person hears it, the phrase could then be streched into something like "I like cactus tycoons." Sounds farfetched, huh?
Well, the same thing goes with the Bible. I personally don't believe much of it because the Bible was lost so many years after Jesus died, then re-written. (I heard that lil factoid in a church, believe it or not.)
Before that, the stories where put into song, and stories. Never written.
Also, given such a primative state of mind at the time, I believe that a lot of the stories, no matter how wholesome or heartwarming, were exaggerated.

Now, I believe in Ghosts, spirits, and 'hauntings'. (I use that term loosley because not all hauntings are "demonic" so-to-speak. I use the term meaning an active spirit in one particular area, or around a particular person.) But, I don't believe that heaven or hell is as described in the Bible, and I also don't believe that it is where the Bible says it is either. Because, nobody in written history has risen from the dead to speak of it's wonders or horrors. In fact, nobody but Jesus has ever "risen from the dead." Hmmm.. And where did we hear that? The Bible. Also, I do not believe for one second that a married woman with 2 or 3 children can be considered a virgin or impregnated by a heavenly being. Exaggerations? I think so.

Here is a more direct answer to your question:
I don't like being spoon-fed what to believe. As of right now, these are my reasons not to believe in God. If, over time, I discover something that makes me change my beliefs on my own, so be it.

[Doomed_To_Be_Loved]

There was no point in posting this topic, people don't believe because they don't have enough evidence, so they start to make so called "logical" assumptions. This is something that our minds can't understand, that's why so many people have a hard time believing, because they want something to hold on to, and there is something to hold on to, they just don't have faith that it will hold them up. As for the Bible, it is from God, He put those words into their heads, He told them what to write. For the people who want me to prove it, well I can't unless you've been around me before. You have to have faith, and God will show Himself to you.

[Doomed_To_Be_Loved]

Natrina

ebuny

I just want to know what so hard about beleiveing in God. Im not going against any atheist but i want know cause i am a Christian and proud of it but i dont under stand why cant you stop trying to find a logical and scientific explaination?

It's not that it's hard to believe in God. It's simply that there is no reason to. Why would you? Cause you'll burn in hell otherwise? Talk about fear speech tactics. Wasn't he and his believers supposed to be all loving? Contradictions, contradictions.

No it was because of our sin that we can't enter into Heaven and then what other place is there, hmmm let's see, oh yes Hell. Hence why Jesus had to save us. When Jesus came into the world and died for all our sins He left something for us, the Holy Spirit. It's ours if we repent and admit our sins, and ask Him to come into our heart. In doing so He washes away your sins and you can go into Heaven. Unfortunately out of the people that read this post maybe 7% will be brought closer to God.

[LadyRavn]

Quote:

God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks, please. Cash and in small bills. [Robert Heinlein, Notebooks of Lazarus Long]

Of all the strange crimes that humanity has legislated out of nothing, blasphemy is the most amazing - with obscenity and indecent exposure fighting it out for second and third place. [Robert Heinlein, Notebooks of Lazarus Long]

Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other sins are invented nonsense. (Hurting yourself is not sinful--just stupid.) [Robert Heinlein]

The most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by H.Sapiens is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of the Universes, wants the sacharrine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not recieve this flattery. Yet this ridiculous notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster it, has gone on to found one of the oldest, largest and least productive industries in history. [Robert Heinlein]

Anyone who can worship a trinity and insist that his religion is a monotheism can believe anything... just give him time to rationalize it. [Robert A. Heinlein, JOB: A Comedy of Justice]

Whores perform the same function as priests, but far more thoroughly. [Robert Heinlein]

The nice thing about citing god as an authority is that you can prove anything you set out to prove. [Robert A. Heinlein, from If This Goes On-]

The Bible is such a gargantuan collection of conflicting values that anyone can prove anything from it. [Robert Heinlein, Dr. Jacob Burroughs in The Number of the Beast]

A religion is sometime a source of happiness, and I would not deprive anyone of happiness. But it is a comfort appropriate for the weak, not for the strong. The great trouble with religion - any religion - is that a religionist, having accepted certain propositions by faith, cannot thereafter judge those propositions by evidence. One may bask at the warm fire of faith or choose to live in the bleak certainty of reason- but one cannot have both. [Robert A. Heinlein, from "Friday"]

Speaking of incest in the bible.....Have you ever actually counted the number of survivors from the flood? I count Noah and his wife, their three sons and their wives. That's it :p It states flat out, everyone else died.

[AbsolutDurr]

The bible was written by man.
It is not word of god.

The bible is a book of myths and moral meanings that was meant to taken in context.
Not to be taken literally.

And what is so wrong with being logical anyway?
:/

[Sanguina Cruenta]

LadyRavn

Speaking of incest in the bible.....Have you ever actually counted the number of survivors from the flood? I count Noah and his wife, their three sons and their wives. That's it :p It states flat out, everyone else died.

That part has always seemed insane to me. If god knew all his creations were going to go insane and start "sinning" and stuff, why not n** it in the bud? It's like he wasn't paying attention, and suddenly he looks down and goes "oh, crap!" and decides to reboot the system via natural disaster.
It's like Noah et al. were the windows disk, or something.

It seems one of the bigger arguments against the whole "god is omniscient" thing. It may say that he is, but there's so many instances in the bible where, if he WAS, he really wouldn't have needed to do what he did. Some of those actions, if he WAS omniscient, would have been needlessly cruel to the point of being really quite malevolent.

I've heard someone say that the god of the Old Testament is the devil of the New. They aren't a Christian, but the concept may be from a certain sect. (My money's on something gnostic-related, actually.) It's a good quote. It makes a good deal of sense.

[Ametrin]

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Yashamaru013

Accurite Typur

I know God exists. Computers created him. He, in turn, created Hitler, who in turn created the universe.
How do I know? I found the backup files during my adventure to Atlantis.
Contrary to popular belief, Atlantis is actually under Atlanta, because two miles under the surface of Georgia is actually nothing but an ocean. Tricky, tricky, huh?

stare That's not funny. stare

You LIE. I thought it was hilarious. XD

Seconded! mrgreen

But what I don't get, right, is why do people believe in the Christian god over all the others? *shrug* the others are, for the most part, a great deal more fun, and there's so much less of that "sin" stuff and no one sends you to hell.

Frankly, with all the other religions out there, I don't get why someone would go for one like Christianity. Don't get me wrong, I know some fantastic Christians. I'm just wondering.

I have chosen Christianity because from the historic context I believe there is the highest chance of it being true, I mean specifically the New Testament and the life of Jesus. I've just read the book the Case for Christ by Lee Strobel and that really helped me affirm my faith. I am convinced that faith must have a real basis; chosing a religion just because it's likeable just isn't enough. The written sources for Christianity come from witnesses who really were around at that time and personally knew Jesus or the disciples. The disciples were most likely preaching about Jesus' resurrection immediately after it happened, yet before the texts were written. They didn't have any reason whatsoever why they would lie; in the contrary the fact that they kept preaching about Jesus only brought them trouble and persecution. In the contrary I must say I can't get why people choose the other religions, specifically the polytheistic ones; I think they are very interesting and perhaps also likeable but they are also so "human"... Where is any real base for them, any chance that they can be true and not just human made? That's why I don't understand why people follow them.
I hope you don't take offence; I am just trying to explain my attitude.

[Lady Razette]

Maybe it'd be easier to believe in "God" if the world wasn't full of different religions with different gods. There's no saying the Christian god is "the right" god. I'm personally not comfortable with believing in a certain god a book tells me to just because it's what the general societies belief, that I just happen to have been brought up around.

[Sanguina Cruenta]

Luz Oscura

I have chosen Christianity because from the historic context I believe there is the highest chance of it being true, I mean specifically the New Testament and the life of Jesus. I've just read the book the Case for Christ by Lee Strobel and that really helped me affirm my faith. I am convinced that faith must have a real basis; chosing a religion just because it's likeable just isn't enough. The written sources for Christianity come from witnesses who really were around at that time and personally knew Jesus or the disciples. The disciples were most likely preaching about Jesus' resurrection immediately after it happened, yet before the texts were written. They didn't have any reason whatsoever why they would lie; in the contrary the fact that they kept preaching about Jesus only brought them trouble and persecution. In the contrary I must say I can't get why people choose the other religions, specifically the polytheistic ones; I think they are very interesting and perhaps also likeable but they are also so "human"... Where is any real base for them, any chance that they can be true and not just human made? That's why I don't understand why people follow them.
I hope you don't take offence; I am just trying to explain my attitude.

That's cool, I take no offence and appreciate the answer biggrin

Personally I love that my deities are flawed. It makes them much more interesting, more fun. I know them as living, breathing entities, and I love them. smile I don't quite get how people can relate to a deity that seems, to me, to be faceless, removed, unemotional. I guess that's how they relate so well to Jesus: he's part human. He has a face, he walked on earth (in theory), he was present and emotionally devoted.

As I see it, there's every bit as much basis for my deities as your own. I choose to follow my own because they chose me. I don't get along with Yahweh, or indeed many of the Middle Eastern gods, and besides, Yahweh wants to be worshipped alone. I get that. I will not and cannot break my sacred oaths, so there we are.

[LadyRavn]

Luz Oscura

I have chosen Christianity because from the historic context I believe there is the highest chance of it being true, I mean specifically the New Testament and the life of Jesus. I've just read the book the Case for Christ by Lee Strobel and that really helped me affirm my faith. I am convinced that faith must have a real basis; chosing a religion just because it's likeable just isn't enough. The written sources for Christianity come from witnesses who really were around at that time and personally knew Jesus or the disciples. The disciples were most likely preaching about Jesus' resurrection immediately after it happened, yet before the texts were written. They didn't have any reason whatsoever why they would lie; in the contrary the fact that they kept preaching about Jesus only brought them trouble and persecution. In the contrary I must say I can't get why people choose the other religions, specifically the polytheistic ones; I think they are very interesting and perhaps also likeable but they are also so "human"... Where is any real base for them, any chance that they can be true and not just human made? That's why I don't understand why people follow them.
I hope you don't take offence; I am just trying to explain my attitude.

The gospels were written over one hundred years after he died. Are you saying you believe that people lived that long two thousand years ago?

[x-RainKissed-X]

Natrina

ebuny

I just want to know what so hard about beleiveing in God. Im not going against any atheist but i want know cause i am a Christian and proud of it but i dont under stand why cant you stop trying to find a logical and scientific explaination?

It's not that it's hard to believe in God. It's simply that there is no reason to. Why would you? Cause you'll burn in hell otherwise? Talk about fear speech tactics. Wasn't he and his believers supposed to be all loving? Contradictions, contradictions.

God is loving though, yes there are his followers who don't do what they are suppose to. They are hypocrites and they deceive themselves.
Even Ghandi once said, " I like your Christ but not your Christians."
And by the way God is loving, it's just people perverse who he really is, like that guy who has " God hates gays" signs- that is nothing with what God is about, God doesn't hate people- only sins.

[Ametrin]

LadyRavn

Luz Oscura

I have chosen Christianity because from the historic context I believe there is the highest chance of it being true, I mean specifically the New Testament and the life of Jesus. I've just read the book the Case for Christ by Lee Strobel and that really helped me affirm my faith. I am convinced that faith must have a real basis; chosing a religion just because it's likeable just isn't enough. The written sources for Christianity come from witnesses who really were around at that time and personally knew Jesus or the disciples. The disciples were most likely preaching about Jesus' resurrection immediately after it happened, yet before the texts were written. They didn't have any reason whatsoever why they would lie; in the contrary the fact that they kept preaching about Jesus only brought them trouble and persecution. In the contrary I must say I can't get why people choose the other religions, specifically the polytheistic ones; I think they are very interesting and perhaps also likeable but they are also so "human"... Where is any real base for them, any chance that they can be true and not just human made? That's why I don't understand why people follow them.
I hope you don't take offence; I am just trying to explain my attitude.

The gospels were written over one hundred years after he died. Are you saying you believe that people lived that long two thousand years ago?

Wrong information... Already for a few decades of years it has been accepted by historians as well as by Bible scholars that the gospels were written in the period of about 70-80 AD. The oldest one (Mark) possibly even earlier. However the gospels aren't the oldest texts from the NT, the oldest ones are Paul's epistles, which (or some of them?) are from the 40's AD (He didn't meet Jesus personally in the human form but he knew personally Mark and other members of the early church.)

[liu mei]

theres nothing difficult wiht it! lol

[DanteVortex]

It's difficult to belief if you start it when you are grown up.
My parents refused to brainwash me when I was young, so I developed no false hope with gods and beliefs.

Now I'm too old too believe in fairies and goblins. No person would ever poison me with gods and unproven theories.

Because I only belief what has been proven, until then I can't say it does or doesn't exist, and I will pursue to find an answer.