~Operation Beautiful~

What do you love the most about yourself?

My body	3.8%	[ 64 ]
My brain	16.3%	[ 274 ]
My personality	27.5%	[ 463 ]
Everything!	21.1%	[ 356 ]
Nothing	21.6%	[ 364 ]
Other	9.7%	[ 163 ]
Total Votes:			[ 1684 ]

[percocet princess]

LadyEladrin

This too is sacred

So go make a thread of your own, Princess, and quit shooting your mouth off in here.

love as thou wilt

i do have a thread of my own-why get an attitude about it? jesus.

i was simply pointing out that a project focused on helping women feel beautiful should include ALL weight classes, not just those who are fat. the thing is, these projects never do--they always forget about the skinny girls.

[Starlurk]

Blitzkrieg Beauty

Starlurk

Blitzkrieg Beauty: In my experience, people suffering from an ed like anorexia does not like looking at Operation Beautiful because it makes them feel bad, it makes them feel like it's about everyone but them.

That's not a good thing of course, and one of the downsides to Operation Beautiful, but if an anorexic girl truly believed she was beautiful, she wouldn't need to be anorexic anymore. That's the downfall of ed's nothing is every good enough when it comes to making them pretty, no matter what they do, they'll never view themselves as beautiful while they fight the disease.

But a lot of people who have overeating disorders believe they are beautiful, and telling those people that their eating disorders are okay and that they're beautiful regardless of how unhealthy they are is a very bad thing.
I'm not saying Operation Beautiful is a bad thing at all, but it's scary to tell people who have eating disorders that it's okay to have those eating disorders, which is something that happens with things like this.

In the end, it's about being happy with yourself, but it's not wrong to want to change yourself either. Like, if you're unhappy with being a certain weight and can healthily and realistically get to a more ideal weight (your ideal, not someone else's), I think that's a really great thing.

I don't know a single person with an overeating disorder who believes they're beautiful. I also don't know a single person who might look like they have an overeating disorder who believes they're beautiful. I know a few people who pretend, who try to embrace themselves for who they are because they've given up on dieting, and I'm okay with that. In my experience with eating healthy, the better I felt about myself self-esteem-wise, the more likely I was to try it. The worse I felt about myself, the more likely I was to eat at Fazolli's fast-food pasta ;P

And honestly, with any positive thing, someone can say, but what if it's reinforcing something negative in a small amount of people? Well, so it's reinforcing something negative in a small amount of people, it's better than doing nothing and reinforcing something incredibly negative in a large amount of people isn't it?

I just can't shake the belief that most people treat themselves better when they feel better about themselves, and if a few don't, I'm okay with that, because at least it's making a lot of people feel better who deserve to feel better.

[Blitzkrieg Beauty]

LadyEladrin

This too is sacred

"So if your body tells you that it needs 3 hamburgers, a large order of fries, a milkshake, and a bag of potato chips for every meal, it's healthy to eat those things because your body wants them?

What you're describing sounds exactly like an addiction. "

My body might tell me that once, and probably never again. Intuitive eating is scary because it gives us the freedom AND responsibility to listen to our body. We're afraid, at first, that omg we're going to eat the WHOLE WORLD, that if I buy icecream, I'll eat the whole damn thing in one sitting. And yeah, you might, at first, but that's ok. Because next time you buy icecream, you wont. You'll just have some. I've had the same box of icecream in my freezer for a month. My desk has been literally littered with chocolate bars since hallowe'en. I think I've had 3 or 4 this week, and they're on the little ones, because I only have them when I want them. I forbid myself nothing so nothing is a 'temptation' or a 'treat'. Food is just food, and I eat what I want. I accept that maybe you can't handle that, that it's too scary of an idea for you. It's ok.

love as thou wilt

I don't know where the personal attacks are coming from or why you're assuming anything about my diet. Are you assuming I have a regimented diet because I'm not overweight? Really, I don't get why you're saying anything about my diet.

Everybody is different, and you shouldn't tell people to listen to exactly what their body is craving at all times. You may be able to keep yourself healthy doing that, but a lot of people won't. Some people don't crave very much food at all and have to force themselves to eat, some people have no sensation of feeling full and can't stop eating.

But, I'm going to listen to the OP and stop with this, I just needed to explain to you that everybody is different and can't eat the way that you do.

[Starlurk]

percocet princess

LadyEladrin

This too is sacred

So go make a thread of your own, Princess, and quit shooting your mouth off in here.

love as thou wilt

i do have a thread of my own-why get an attitude about it? jesus.

i was simply pointing out that a project focused on helping women feel beautiful should include ALL weight classes, not just those who are fat. the thing is, these projects never do--they always forget about the skinny girls.

Would you mind pointing out where this project ever forgot about skinny girls?

[Starlurk]

Blitzkrieg Beauty

But, I'm going to listen to the OP and stop with this, I just needed to explain to you that everybody is different and can't eat the way that you do.

Thank you 3nodding

[percocet princess]

Starlurk

percocet princess

the point is this: skinny girls get a lot of s**t. not only do they get s**t, BUT there are never ANY threads or support groups to help them through it. not only do we get s**t, but we also have people try to deny that we get s**t.

I've honestly seen a ton of "support" threads for skinny girls in LD, they usually pop up when someone tries to unsuccessfully troll the FA thread and gets banned confused The truth is though, while I've seen the support threads, I've never actually seen any of them support anything, they only seem to be there to insult people for being fat. And no, I'm not going by their very existence, I'm going by what the people in thread are actually saying.

There should be a support thread for people of all sizes where it's just that, support, not a place to insult someone else for looking different. I may be biased, but people don't get away with saying "Only real girls have curves!" in the FA thread. They try really hard not to allow that sort of prejudice in there and that's why they're affiliates with them. That's what I want for this thread too.

This is a support thread for people in general and that includes skinny girls, if you want to make a skinny girl support thread, one that doesn't seem to spend most of their time bashing other people, I'd love to affiliate with it too. 3nodding

i have never seen a skinny girl support thread other than the one that i made awhile ago.


it was certainly not a thread bashing fat girls--no kind of insulting behavor was allowed in general, and i tried to block people like that as fast as possible. the problem was this--there was a lot of larger or average girls who would neglect to read the first post and come in not necessarily to insult thin girls (although alot of them did), but also to attest that we don't need or deserve a thread. honestly, this behavior really bothers me more than the insults. i kinda gave up after awhile, but i might start a new one and hope that it doesn't happen like that this time, considering the people are still blocked on this account.



if you are open to the idea, that's great--then you aren't one of the people i am talking about. i was just making a remark with my first post--not one that was meant to insult you in general. it just depresses me, as a thin girl.


as i mentioned before, however, i don't understand why this project doesn't include thin girls. operation beautiful sounds as if it should apply to everyone, and yet the first post seems generally geared towards bigger girls. this is almost always the way these threads are--it just gets depressing after a while.

[Blitzkrieg Beauty]

Starlurk

Blitzkrieg Beauty

Starlurk

Blitzkrieg Beauty: In my experience, people suffering from an ed like anorexia does not like looking at Operation Beautiful because it makes them feel bad, it makes them feel like it's about everyone but them.

That's not a good thing of course, and one of the downsides to Operation Beautiful, but if an anorexic girl truly believed she was beautiful, she wouldn't need to be anorexic anymore. That's the downfall of ed's nothing is every good enough when it comes to making them pretty, no matter what they do, they'll never view themselves as beautiful while they fight the disease.

But a lot of people who have overeating disorders believe they are beautiful, and telling those people that their eating disorders are okay and that they're beautiful regardless of how unhealthy they are is a very bad thing.
I'm not saying Operation Beautiful is a bad thing at all, but it's scary to tell people who have eating disorders that it's okay to have those eating disorders, which is something that happens with things like this.

In the end, it's about being happy with yourself, but it's not wrong to want to change yourself either. Like, if you're unhappy with being a certain weight and can healthily and realistically get to a more ideal weight (your ideal, not someone else's), I think that's a really great thing.

I don't know a single person with an overeating disorder who believes they're beautiful. I also don't know a single person who might look like they have an overeating disorder who believes they're beautiful. I know a few people who pretend, who try to embrace themselves for who they are because they've given up on dieting, and I'm okay with that. In my experience with eating healthy, the better I felt about myself self-esteem-wise, the more likely I was to try it. The worse I felt about myself, the more likely I was to eat at Fazolli's fast-food pasta ;P

And honestly, with any positive thing, someone can say, but what if it's reinforcing something negative in a small amount of people? Well, so it's reinforcing something negative in a small amount of people, it's better than doing nothing and reinforcing something incredibly negative in a large amount of people isn't it?

I just can't shake the belief that most people treat themselves better when they feel better about themselves, and if a few don't, I'm okay with that, because at least it's making a lot of people feel better who deserve to feel better.

I agree with just about everything, except I know quite a few overweight women especially who think they're the hottest things on the planet.

I definitely agree that people will treat themselves better when they feel better about themselves, but all I was getting it is that guilt can motivate people to get healthier and to feel better about themselves. That's self-guilt, not guilt from other people. Like, "Oh man, I shouldn't have eaten that huge piece of pizza, I'll have to walk that off." or "I feel bad that I missed breakfast today, I better have a snack sometime before lunch."

[percocet princess]

LadyEladrin

percocet princess

"My entire diet IS one big treat, because I eat what I want, when I want it, in as much or as little as I want. That is the definition of healthy eating and other than that there are no rules to eating."

i hope i am misunderstanding this. healthy eating is NOT eating what you want, when you want, and how much you want. that is CERTAINLY not healthy. that's very incorrect information that you shouldn't be spreading. o____O

This too is sacred

If you knew anything about intuitive eating or health at every size, or fat acceptance in general, you'd know where I was coming from. Intuitive eating, which is what I practise, is what that is; listening to your body's cues to find out what it wants, and give it that. At first it's really hard to do, because we're so used to ignoring our body's wants and needs. If your body says "Sweets!" give it sweets. If it wants protein, grab some. If it says "hydrate me!" grab a glass of water. If it says french fries, go for it. In the long run, it creates a more healthy relationship with the body than denial.

love as thou wilt

i know much about health--but eating three pieces of cake because your body 'wants it' isn't healthy at ALL. if you were knowledgeable about healthy eating, you would be aware that your body often craves things that aren't good for your body--i mean, for example, if my body craves alcohol 24/7, should i drink it all the time? is that HEALTHY? of course it isn't HEALTHY.




but anyway, because of the OP's wishes not to talk about this sort of thing, i will leave it at that and stop. you should probably not bring up 'healthy' when speaking about your eating habits either, i think it's against the rules.

[Starlurk]

percocet princess

Starlurk

percocet princess

the point is this: skinny girls get a lot of s**t. not only do they get s**t, BUT there are never ANY threads or support groups to help them through it. not only do we get s**t, but we also have people try to deny that we get s**t.

I've honestly seen a ton of "support" threads for skinny girls in LD, they usually pop up when someone tries to unsuccessfully troll the FA thread and gets banned confused The truth is though, while I've seen the support threads, I've never actually seen any of them support anything, they only seem to be there to insult people for being fat. And no, I'm not going by their very existence, I'm going by what the people in thread are actually saying.

There should be a support thread for people of all sizes where it's just that, support, not a place to insult someone else for looking different. I may be biased, but people don't get away with saying "Only real girls have curves!" in the FA thread. They try really hard not to allow that sort of prejudice in there and that's why they're affiliates with them. That's what I want for this thread too.

This is a support thread for people in general and that includes skinny girls, if you want to make a skinny girl support thread, one that doesn't seem to spend most of their time bashing other people, I'd love to affiliate with it too. 3nodding

i have never seen a skinny girl support thread other than the one that i made awhile ago.


it was certainly not a thread bashing fat girls--no kind of insulting behavor was allowed in general, and i tried to block people like that as fast as possible. the problem was this--there was a lot of larger or average girls who would neglect to read the first post and come in not necessarily to insult thin girls (although alot of them did), but also to attest that we don't need or deserve a thread. honestly, this behavior really bothers me more than the insults. i kinda gave up after awhile, but i might start a new one and hope that it doesn't happen like that this time, considering the people are still blocked on this account.



if you are open to the idea, that's great--then you aren't one of the people i am talking about. i was just making a remark with my first post--not one that was meant to insult you in general. it just depresses me, as a thin girl.


as i mentioned before, however, i don't understand why this project doesn't include thin girls. operation beautiful sounds as if it should apply to everyone, and yet the first post seems generally geared towards bigger girls. this is almost always the way these threads are--it just gets depressing after a while.

This thread and project is most certainly for people of all sizes (and genders) 3nodding I tried to make the rules sensitive to both weight loss and weight gain, but the problem is, in my experience as someone in the middle, I see way more fat prejudice on Gaia than skinny prejudice. Sure, if you tell someone you're skinny you probably will experience automatic prejudice but I notice more people make fat-hating comments than skinny-hating comments completely unprovoked. And as you can see by our first troll on page 3, sometimes we have to put stricter rules on one than the other.

But rest assured, I want to make sure that everyone of all sizes feels safe in this thread, and any insult regarding any size will be a ban.

And I'm sorry, your thread must not have been one that I had seen.

[Blitzkrieg Beauty]

percocet princess

Starlurk

percocet princess

the point is this: skinny girls get a lot of s**t. not only do they get s**t, BUT there are never ANY threads or support groups to help them through it. not only do we get s**t, but we also have people try to deny that we get s**t.

I've honestly seen a ton of "support" threads for skinny girls in LD, they usually pop up when someone tries to unsuccessfully troll the FA thread and gets banned confused The truth is though, while I've seen the support threads, I've never actually seen any of them support anything, they only seem to be there to insult people for being fat. And no, I'm not going by their very existence, I'm going by what the people in thread are actually saying.

There should be a support thread for people of all sizes where it's just that, support, not a place to insult someone else for looking different. I may be biased, but people don't get away with saying "Only real girls have curves!" in the FA thread. They try really hard not to allow that sort of prejudice in there and that's why they're affiliates with them. That's what I want for this thread too.

This is a support thread for people in general and that includes skinny girls, if you want to make a skinny girl support thread, one that doesn't seem to spend most of their time bashing other people, I'd love to affiliate with it too. 3nodding

i have never seen a skinny girl support thread other than the one that i made awhile ago.


it was certainly not a thread bashing fat girls--no kind of insulting behavor was allowed in general, and i tried to block people like that as fast as possible. the problem was this--there was a lot of larger or average girls who would neglect to read the first post and come in not necessarily to insult thin girls (although alot of them did), but also to attest that we don't need or deserve a thread. honestly, this behavior really bothers me more than the insults. i kinda gave up after awhile, but i might start a new one and hope that it doesn't happen like that this time, considering the people are still blocked on this account.



if you are open to the idea, that's great--then you aren't one of the people i am talking about. i was just making a remark with my first post--not one that was meant to insult you in general. it just depresses me, as a thin girl.


as i mentioned before, however, i don't understand why this project doesn't include thin girls. operation beautiful sounds as if it should apply to everyone, and yet the first post seems generally geared towards bigger girls. this is almost always the way these threads are--it just gets depressing after a while.

I want to add that I made a thread called "I'm thin, I'm healthy, and I'm beautiful!" about a year ago, and I tried my best to keep bashing out of there.
The usual bashing was from overweight girls who came in to complain about how skinny girls don't need support because fat girls have it worse.
I also frequented percocet princess' thread, and there was very minimal bashing that got shot down almost immediately after it started, and again it was usually overweight girls bashing skinny girls when it did happen.

[percocet princess]

Starlurk

percocet princess

LadyEladrin

This too is sacred

So go make a thread of your own, Princess, and quit shooting your mouth off in here.

love as thou wilt

i do have a thread of my own-why get an attitude about it? jesus.

i was simply pointing out that a project focused on helping women feel beautiful should include ALL weight classes, not just those who are fat. the thing is, these projects never do--they always forget about the skinny girls.

Would you mind pointing out where this project ever forgot about skinny girls?

the first post is definitely geared towards bigger girls. about 'fat talk' and your affiliates and the like. if that is not your intention, then i apologize, but that is certainly how it appears.

[Starlurk]

percocet princess

Starlurk

percocet princess

LadyEladrin

This too is sacred

So go make a thread of your own, Princess, and quit shooting your mouth off in here.

love as thou wilt

i do have a thread of my own-why get an attitude about it? jesus.

i was simply pointing out that a project focused on helping women feel beautiful should include ALL weight classes, not just those who are fat. the thing is, these projects never do--they always forget about the skinny girls.

Would you mind pointing out where this project ever forgot about skinny girls?

the first post is definitely geared towards bigger girls. about 'fat talk' and your affiliates and the like. if that is not your intention, then i apologize, but that is certainly how it appears.

I think I should make the Fat Talk post more clear, because Fat Talk is something everyone does at all sizes and it's equally destructive for everyone. I plan on affiliating with most support threads I see that are actually supporting, the FA thread just happened to be the one I'm on the most and asked first.

[Starlurk]

In Operation Beautiful News:

Operation Beautiful won the Blogger Humanitarian Effort Award at the 1st Annual FoodBuzz Festival Awards!

Click here to learn more.

[Starlurk]

I think in the Extra stuff post I'm going to put the OB story of the day.

Here's today's:

Quote:

Amanda wrote, “I had been battling bulimia off and on for about two years. I wasn’t binging and purging, but I was purging normal meals. When I got pregnant with my son, I stopped the cycle with the help of therapy. But stress and pressure got the best of me, and I was back into my habit. One evening after I finished a meal at a local restaurant, I went to the bathroom. Waving bye-bye to my son, I felt so guilty and so dirty for wanting to purge. I ran into the stall to forgo stranger’s stares as I began to cry, and saw a pink, brightly-colored piece of paper above the toilet. I looked at it and it simply said "Love yourself for who you are. Others do.www.operationbeautiful.com " At that moment, the pieces fit. My husband, my family, my son, my friends…if they all love me, why can’t I love myself?” Amanda sent this picture out as a TwitPic so all her Twitter friends could see it!

[Ri Sublimity]

Im gonna do the sticky note thing tomorrow! whee