~Operation Beautiful~

What do you love the most about yourself?

My body	3.8%	[ 64 ]
My brain	16.3%	[ 274 ]
My personality	27.5%	[ 463 ]
Everything!	21.1%	[ 356 ]
Nothing	21.6%	[ 364 ]
Other	9.7%	[ 163 ]
Total Votes:			[ 1684 ]

[Starlurk]

Lord Excelsior XI

Starlurk

Lord Excelsior XI

I don't understand what Fat Talk is, your posts did not elaborate on it enough.

Fat Talk is basically putting value on fat I guess. By feeling bad and saying "Oh I'm so fat!", by commenting that someone is fat and shouldn't be wearing what they're wearing because of it, by telling someone they look great and asking if they lost weight.

So are you saying it's not alright to call people fat?

It's fine to comment that someone is carrying a lot of fat, in fact, some fat people embrace that. What's not fine is to call them fat in the way most people mean fat, which is lazy, slobby, stupid, disgusting, etc. No, it's not okay to call them that.

And honestly, why do you need to call them anything?

[percocet princess]

"My entire diet IS one big treat, because I eat what I want, when I want it, in as much or as little as I want. That is the definition of healthy eating and other than that there are no rules to eating."


i hope i am misunderstanding this. healthy eating is NOT eating what you want, when you want, and how much you want. that is CERTAINLY not healthy. that's very incorrect information that you shouldn't be spreading. o____O

[o sunflower king]

People get s**t for everything.
The world is a giant contest to see who can be a bigger douchebag.

[LadyEladrin]

This too is sacred

So go make a thread of your own, Princess, and quit shooting your mouth off in here.

love as thou wilt

[Lord Excelsior XI]

Starlurk

Lord Excelsior XI

Starlurk

Lord Excelsior XI

I don't understand what Fat Talk is, your posts did not elaborate on it enough.

Fat Talk is basically putting value on fat I guess. By feeling bad and saying "Oh I'm so fat!", by commenting that someone is fat and shouldn't be wearing what they're wearing because of it, by telling someone they look great and asking if they lost weight.

So are you saying it's not alright to call people fat?

It's fine to comment that someone is carrying a lot of fat, in fact, some fat people embrace that. What's not fine is to call them fat in the way most people mean fat, which is lazy, slobby, stupid, disgusting, etc. No, it's not okay to call them that.

And honestly, why do you need to call them anything?

Because people such as myself find entertainment in offending people that are fat. Just as I like offending racial minorities and homosexuals, it's never anything personal, it's just fun. Not to mention fat people are actually quite disgusting.

[Starlurk]

percocet princess

the point is this: skinny girls get a lot of s**t. not only do they get s**t, BUT there are never ANY threads or support groups to help them through it. not only do we get s**t, but we also have people try to deny that we get s**t.

I've honestly seen a ton of "support" threads for skinny girls in LD, they usually pop up when someone tries to unsuccessfully troll the FA thread and gets banned confused The truth is though, while I've seen the support threads, I've never actually seen any of them support anything, they only seem to be there to insult people for being fat. And no, I'm not going by their very existence, I'm going by what the people in thread are actually saying.

There should be a support thread for people of all sizes where it's just that, support, not a place to insult someone else for looking different. I may be biased, but people don't get away with saying "Only real girls have curves!" in the FA thread. They try really hard not to allow that sort of prejudice in there and that's why they're affiliates with them. That's what I want for this thread too.

This is a support thread for people in general and that includes skinny girls, if you want to make a skinny girl support thread, one that doesn't seem to spend most of their time bashing other people, I'd love to affiliate with it too. 3nodding

[LadyEladrin]

percocet princess

"My entire diet IS one big treat, because I eat what I want, when I want it, in as much or as little as I want. That is the definition of healthy eating and other than that there are no rules to eating."

i hope i am misunderstanding this. healthy eating is NOT eating what you want, when you want, and how much you want. that is CERTAINLY not healthy. that's very incorrect information that you shouldn't be spreading. o____O

This too is sacred

If you knew anything about intuitive eating or health at every size, or fat acceptance in general, you'd know where I was coming from. Intuitive eating, which is what I practise, is what that is; listening to your body's cues to find out what it wants, and give it that. At first it's really hard to do, because we're so used to ignoring our body's wants and needs. If your body says "Sweets!" give it sweets. If it wants protein, grab some. If it says "hydrate me!" grab a glass of water. If it says french fries, go for it. In the long run, it creates a more healthy relationship with the body than denial.

love as thou wilt

[Starlurk]

Lord Excelsior XI

Starlurk

Lord Excelsior XI

Starlurk

Lord Excelsior XI

I don't understand what Fat Talk is, your posts did not elaborate on it enough.

Fat Talk is basically putting value on fat I guess. By feeling bad and saying "Oh I'm so fat!", by commenting that someone is fat and shouldn't be wearing what they're wearing because of it, by telling someone they look great and asking if they lost weight.

So are you saying it's not alright to call people fat?

It's fine to comment that someone is carrying a lot of fat, in fact, some fat people embrace that. What's not fine is to call them fat in the way most people mean fat, which is lazy, slobby, stupid, disgusting, etc. No, it's not okay to call them that.

And honestly, why do you need to call them anything?

Because people such as myself find entertainment in offending people that are fat. Just as I like offending racial minorities and homosexuals, it's never anything personal, it's just fun. Not to mention fat people are actually quite disgusting.

Then you don't belong in here. 3nodding

[Blitzkrieg Beauty]

LadyEladrin

This too is sacred

Blitzkieg Beauty

I still think guilt can be a good thing, like in the example I used.
If feeling guilty causes you to better yourself, it's a good thing. If someone is told to never feel guilty about any of their eating habits, they won't see any reason to change them for the better. Like, if someone ate 4 hamburgers for one meal, they shouldn't feel good about that, and they shouldn't be told to feel good about it. They shouldn't be told it's okay to do that because they're beautiful the way they are. It's a nice gesture to say that you shouldn't feel guilty for what you eat but realistically sometimes you should.

I have to say that I fundamentally disagree. You can't guilt or shame someone into feeling better or changing their behaviour; all that will happen is it will force their behaviour underground where it can't be seen and negatively commented on. That's how you people become secret bingers and purgers. It's absolutely none of your business what another person eats, how much, when or whatever. None.

BB

You shouldn't feel guilty about occasional treats for yourself, even a few times a week it's okay to pleasure eat, but when your entire diet becomes one big treat, you have a problem and it should be treated as a problem.

My entire diet IS one big treat, because I eat what I want, when I want it, in as much or as little as I want. That is the definition of healthy eating and other than that there are no rules to eating.

BB

We can't tell people that everyone is beautiful, we can't tell people that their unhealthy habits are okay in fear of making them feel guilty, and we can't tell people that feeling guilty for doing something they know isn't a good thing is a wrong feeling.
Some people deal with guilt in unhealthy ways, but that doesn't mean that guilt itself is a bad thing all the time, it just means that they have bad coping skills.

We sure can tell everyone that they're beautiful; everyone IS beautiful in their own way. The current definition is so narrow that it excludes almost everyone. Operation Beautiful is attempting to expand that definition, which is admirable and awesome.

If you can't wrap your mind around that, and of the idea that people can be happy and healthy at every size, and that it's none of your business what people do with their own body, you probably shouldn't be here.

love as thou wilt

I'm not talking about making other people feel guilty, I'm talking about people feeling guilty on their own. If you feel guilty about something, you feel guilty for a reason. If you don't want to feel guilty, don't do things that will make you feel guilty, it's that simple. If you're going to feel bad about eating something, don't eat it. You feel guilty because you know you shouldn't be doing it, you feel guilty because you know it's not good for you.
I also don't understand why everyone seems to think I'm saying the only way to make people healthier is to guilt them into it. I never said that, and I feel like a lot of you are assuming that in order to try to make it look like I'm all for making people feel bad about themselves.

And, if your entire diet is all based completely in pleasure-foods, you're either lying about being healthy or you have an amazing metabolism that somehow keeps you from being unhealthy. When I say your diet turns into one big treat, that means you're eating mostly things that you shouldn't be eating often. What I meant by "treat"

I also never said people can't be happy and healthy at any size, they can, but you shouldn't tell someone it's okay to be unhealthy, which this "Operation Beautiful" does. It's not meat to do that, but it still does. "Operation Beautiful" tells people they are beautiful when they're unhealthy, which is not okay. Based on the whole "everyone is beautiful" mantra, so are anorexic and bulimic people, and we should support them in their choices. Overeating is an eating disorder, too.
You shouldn't just tell people that they're perfect the way they are, you should tell them that they should be realistically healthy. I'll elaborate that being realistically healthy doesn't mean working out 30 minutes a day and having a strict diet, since apparently in this thread "getting healthy" means you have to get a gym membership and stick to a strict diet. rolleyes

I'll end this with the fact that guilt isn't always a bad thing. To explain this further, since nobody seems to understand it, that does not mean that guilt is always a good thing either. There are instances when feeling guilty leads to bettering yourself.

[Starlurk]

Blitzkrieg Beauty: In my experience, people suffering from an ed like anorexia does not like looking at Operation Beautiful because it makes them feel bad, it makes them feel like it's about everyone but them.

That's not a good thing of course, and one of the downsides to Operation Beautiful, but if an anorexic girl truly believed she was beautiful, she wouldn't need to be anorexic anymore. That's the downfall of ed's nothing is every good enough when it comes to making them pretty, no matter what they do, they'll never view themselves as beautiful while they fight the disease.

[Blitzkrieg Beauty]

LadyEladrin

percocet princess

"My entire diet IS one big treat, because I eat what I want, when I want it, in as much or as little as I want. That is the definition of healthy eating and other than that there are no rules to eating."

i hope i am misunderstanding this. healthy eating is NOT eating what you want, when you want, and how much you want. that is CERTAINLY not healthy. that's very incorrect information that you shouldn't be spreading. o____O

This too is sacred

If you knew anything about intuitive eating or health at every size, or fat acceptance in general, you'd know where I was coming from. Intuitive eating, which is what I practise, is what that is; listening to your body's cues to find out what it wants, and give it that. At first it's really hard to do, because we're so used to ignoring our body's wants and needs. If your body says "Sweets!" give it sweets. If it wants protein, grab some. If it says "hydrate me!" grab a glass of water. If it says french fries, go for it. In the long run, it creates a more healthy relationship with the body than denial.

love as thou wilt

So if your body tells you that it needs 3 hamburgers, a large order of fries, a milkshake, and a bag of potato chips for every meal, it's healthy to eat those things because your body wants them?

What you're describing sounds exactly like an addiction.

[LadyEladrin]

This too is sacred

"you shouldn't tell someone it's okay to be unhealthy, which this "Operation Beautiful" does."

Why is it not ok to be unhealthy? What about people with disabilities? Emotional distress? Post traumautic stress disorder? Kids with Autisms or Aspergers? Blind people? They're not 'healthy', they're not 'ok' so they shouldn't be counted? We can't tell them "Hey, I think you're awesome just the way you are!" because they're unhealthy? ******** that noise. That's ridiculous.

Operation Beautiful is attempting to improve people's self-esteem, which improves their overall health. People who are bulemic or anorexic or chronic binge eaters suffer from low self esteem which has led to their other issues. By helping their self esteem, we are helping them.

love as thou wilt

[LadyEladrin]

This too is sacred

"So if your body tells you that it needs 3 hamburgers, a large order of fries, a milkshake, and a bag of potato chips for every meal, it's healthy to eat those things because your body wants them?

What you're describing sounds exactly like an addiction. "

My body might tell me that once, and probably never again. Intuitive eating is scary because it gives us the freedom AND responsibility to listen to our body. We're afraid, at first, that omg we're going to eat the WHOLE WORLD, that if I buy icecream, I'll eat the whole damn thing in one sitting. And yeah, you might, at first, but that's ok. Because next time you buy icecream, you wont. You'll just have some. I've had the same box of icecream in my freezer for a month. My desk has been literally littered with chocolate bars since hallowe'en. I think I've had 3 or 4 this week, and they're on the little ones, because I only have them when I want them. I forbid myself nothing so nothing is a 'temptation' or a 'treat'. Food is just food, and I eat what I want. I accept that maybe you can't handle that, that it's too scary of an idea for you. It's ok.

love as thou wilt

[Starlurk]

Okay guys, it's time to tone down the hostility.

This isn't the place to talk about whether or not this project is unhealthy. If you want to do that, make your own topic in GD or ED (I'm not sure it'd belong in LD).

This isn't the place to question or insult someone's choice of diet. There are other threads for that, you could make your own thread, and you can even PM the person about it and leave it there.

This also isn't the place to point fingers at other groups. Tearinn is correct that everyone gets s**t from everyone. Sure, some people get more s**t than others and while this is an okay place to discuss it, I don't want finger pointing in here. neutral Seriously, it's really not that hard. This is not the place to discuss bitterness you feel towards another group at all. And really? That's kinda how I feel it was coming across in the whole fat vs skinny thing. Both sides get it and it's not my place to say who gets it worse even if I have my opinion. This isn't the place to talk about who gets it worse at all. This is a place where we understand the struggles of the other group and where we try to support them and help them, and if bitterness gets in the way of understanding that other group then we just don't comment on it for now until we do.

At least for now. neutral

[Blitzkrieg Beauty]

Starlurk

Blitzkrieg Beauty: In my experience, people suffering from an ed like anorexia does not like looking at Operation Beautiful because it makes them feel bad, it makes them feel like it's about everyone but them.

That's not a good thing of course, and one of the downsides to Operation Beautiful, but if an anorexic girl truly believed she was beautiful, she wouldn't need to be anorexic anymore. That's the downfall of ed's nothing is every good enough when it comes to making them pretty, no matter what they do, they'll never view themselves as beautiful while they fight the disease.

But a lot of people who have overeating disorders believe they are beautiful, and telling those people that their eating disorders are okay and that they're beautiful regardless of how unhealthy they are is a very bad thing.
I'm not saying Operation Beautiful is a bad thing at all, but it's scary to tell people who have eating disorders that it's okay to have those eating disorders, which is something that happens with things like this.

In the end, it's about being happy with yourself, but it's not wrong to want to change yourself either. Like, if you're unhappy with being a certain weight and can healthily and realistically get to a more ideal weight (your ideal, not someone else's), I think that's a really great thing.