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As you can see, bigot is someone that is intolerant of other opinions, indenties, lifestyles, etc. While the Merriam-Webster refers to race only, that is a mere example. It is not the only meaning of the word. So, if you are intolerant to homosexuals, you are indeed a bigot.


I'm intolerant of people who show up late for work, arguably a lifestyle choice (staying out late causing you to sleep through your alarm). I'm a bigot.

I'm intolerant of *****, arguably a lifestyle choice and definately part of one's identity. I'm a bigot.

I'm intolerant of rape, arguably a lifestyle choice by the man who rapes, and definately a part of his identity. I'm a bigot.

I'm intolerant of theives, theiving being a lifestyle choice by the one who steals. I'm a bigot.

I'm intolerant of racists, hating those of another race being an opinion. I'm a bigot.

I'm intolerant...

Well you get the picture. Your definition of "bigot" is so broad as to cover almost any lack of approval for any topic, opinion, choice, etc. Bigotry is reserved for a specific sort of intolerance. You failed to nail down what that sort of intolerance is.


There are female rapists too. They're not all men, despite how many male rapsits there are. I admit, there are more male rapists pointed out by the media than females, but they are out there.
This is all extremely informative. Words are misused all over the place now, especially when it comes to disliking something or someone.
cyropi
Talon-chan
cyropi
Talon-chan
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As you can see, bigot is someone that is intolerant of other opinions, indenties, lifestyles, etc. While the Merriam-Webster refers to race only, that is a mere example. It is not the only meaning of the word. So, if you are intolerant to homosexuals, you are indeed a bigot.


I'm intolerant of people who show up late for work, arguably a lifestyle choice (staying out late causing you to sleep through your alarm). I'm a bigot.

I'm intolerant of *****, arguably a lifestyle choice and definately part of one's identity. I'm a bigot.

I'm intolerant of rape, arguably a lifestyle choice by the man who rapes, and definately a part of his identity. I'm a bigot.

I'm intolerant of theives, theiving being a lifestyle choice by the one who steals. I'm a bigot.

I'm intolerant of racists, hating those of another race being an opinion. I'm a bigot.

I'm intolerant...

Well you get the picture. Your definition of "bigot" is so broad as to cover almost any lack of approval for any topic, opinion, choice, etc. Bigotry is reserved for a specific sort of intolerance. You failed to nail down what that sort of intolerance is.


I'd like to point out that the definitions cited refer specifically to prejudiced or unreasonable views.
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2. A person obstinately and unreasonably wedded to a particular religious creed, opinion, or ritual.
b. transf[erred sense] (Of other than religious opinions.)


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A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.


None of the counter examples you gave lack logical reasoning or prejudice; thus they are not bigotry.
But neither does hating homosexuals, some could argue:

"I don't like that adults have sex with children" is just as reasonable for being intolerant of ***** as "I don't like men having sex with men."

One can find many perfectly logical and reasonable justifications for thinking ill of homosexuals.


Except that there are justifiable reasons for being opposed to adults having sex with children; namely that it caused harm to the child. There are no justifiable reasons for being opposed to men having sex with men.
What if I believe that homosexual sex does cause harm to both parties involved. Perhaps I am of the belief that every homosexual is only homosexual because of a tragic molestation experience as a child and that by continuing to be homosexual he or she only aggravates the wound, further harming his or herself?

Mind you, I don't believe that, but someone might. So, again, there are many perfectly logical and reasonable justifications for thinking ill of homosexuals.

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Also, concerning prejudice.

Prejudice means you pre-judge a person and think ill of them entirely just because of one flaw: If you are prejudiced against blacks you think ill of a person entirely just because of skin color, even though skin color has nothing to do with how charitable that person is (for example). If I think ill of KKK members just because they hold one belief, or if I think ill of someone who consistently sleeps in late... how is that different? I am judging them as people entirely based upon one aspect of who they are.


If you think that all people who sleep in late are lazy, ignorant, idiotic, etc. without logical reasoning or evidence, then yes, that would be prejudice. If you just dislike the fact that David always comes to work half an hour late, that isn't prejudice.
So if I believe that all people who sleep in because they stay out late, and by virtue of that come into work late and are therefore a bane to their coworkers, as a whole, are not decent people... I'm a bigot? Just making sure.

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I am all for homosexual rights, gay marriage, etc... I still don't think you've made very accurate or precise definitions.


Blame the English language, not us.
The English language is immense and perfectly able to accommodate a highly specified definition of bigotry. You, and your lack of mastery of this language, is the reason you have yet to provide such a definition.

RMarques
Talon-chan

Prejudice means you pre-judge a person and think ill of them entirely just because of one flaw: If you are prejudiced against blacks you think ill of a person entirely just because of skin color, even though skin color has nothing to do with how charitable that person is (for example). If I think ill of KKK members just because they hold one belief, or if I think ill of someone who consistently sleeps in late... how is that different? I am judging them as people entirely based upon one aspect of who they are.


However, the KKK's actions and beliefs go against one's rights. One's skintone..... Doesn't.
You miss the point:

Bigotry: being intolerant of someone based on their opinions.
I am intolerant of KKK members, even the inactive ones that do not actually hurt anyone, because they are racist. Therefore I am a bigot for not accommodating the opinions of racists.

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There are female rapists too. They're not all men, despite how many male rapsits there are. I admit, there are more male rapists pointed out by the media than females, but they are out there.
Not the point of the statement.

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Talon-chan
cyropi

Except that there are justifiable reasons for being opposed to adults having sex with children; namely that it caused harm to the child. There are no justifiable reasons for being opposed to men having sex with men.
What if I believe that homosexual sex does cause harm to both parties involved. Perhaps I am of the belief that every homosexual is only homosexual because of a tragic molestation experience as a child and that by continuing to be homosexual he or she only aggravates the wound, further harming his or herself?

Mind you, I don't believe that, but someone might. So, again, there are many perfectly logical and reasonable justifications for thinking ill of homosexuals.


It isn't a logical or reasonable justification if it's based on incorrect or prejudiced beliefs.

If I believe heterosexuality is wrong because every time a man and woman have sex, a faerie dies, that is not a logical or reasonable justification for my opinion.

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If you think that all people who sleep in late are lazy, ignorant, idiotic, etc. without logical reasoning or evidence, then yes, that would be prejudice. If you just dislike the fact that David always comes to work half an hour late, that isn't prejudice.
So if I believe that all people who sleep in because they stay out late, and by virtue of that come into work late and are therefore a bane to their coworkers, as a whole, are not decent people... I'm a bigot? Just making sure.


Let me see...
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2. A person obstinately and unreasonably wedded to a particular religious creed, opinion, or ritual.
b. transf[erred sense] (Of other than religious opinions.)


Is your belief obstinate and unreasonable? Is it prejudiced?

If so, then yes.

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I am all for homosexual rights, gay marriage, etc... I still don't think you've made very accurate or precise definitions.


Blame the English language, not us.
The English language is immense and perfectly able to accommodate a highly specified definition of bigotry. You, and your lack of mastery of this language, is the reason you have yet to provide such a definition.


The definitions are given in the first post. If you have a problem with them because they include something you don't want them to include, that isn't our problem.

And kindly don't say that I have a 'lack of mastery' with the English language; I take it as a very serious insult, considering writing is the nearest thing I have to a religion.
cyropi
Talon-chan
cyropi
Talon-chan
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As you can see, bigot is someone that is intolerant of other opinions, indenties, lifestyles, etc. While the Merriam-Webster refers to race only, that is a mere example. It is not the only meaning of the word. So, if you are intolerant to homosexuals, you are indeed a bigot.


I'm intolerant of people who show up late for work, arguably a lifestyle choice (staying out late causing you to sleep through your alarm). I'm a bigot.

I'm intolerant of *****, arguably a lifestyle choice and definately part of one's identity. I'm a bigot.

I'm intolerant of rape, arguably a lifestyle choice by the man who rapes, and definately a part of his identity. I'm a bigot.

I'm intolerant of theives, theiving being a lifestyle choice by the one who steals. I'm a bigot.

I'm intolerant of racists, hating those of another race being an opinion. I'm a bigot.

I'm intolerant...

Well you get the picture. Your definition of "bigot" is so broad as to cover almost any lack of approval for any topic, opinion, choice, etc. Bigotry is reserved for a specific sort of intolerance. You failed to nail down what that sort of intolerance is.


I'd like to point out that the definitions cited refer specifically to prejudiced or unreasonable views.
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2. A person obstinately and unreasonably wedded to a particular religious creed, opinion, or ritual.
b. transf[erred sense] (Of other than religious opinions.)


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A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.


None of the counter examples you gave lack logical reasoning or prejudice; thus they are not bigotry.
But neither does hating homosexuals, some could argue:

"I don't like that adults have sex with children" is just as reasonable for being intolerant of ***** as "I don't like men having sex with men."

One can find many perfectly logical and reasonable justifications for thinking ill of homosexuals.


Except that there are justifiable reasons for being opposed to adults having sex with children; namely that it caused harm to the child. There are no justifiable reasons for being opposed to men having sex with men.


If their religion condemns homosexuality or homosexual acts, they are then harm/endanger the 'soul' of the persons involved and thus bigotry towards them are justifiable.


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I am all for homosexual rights, gay marriage, etc... I still don't think you've made very accurate or precise definitions.


Blame the English language, not us.


ninja
Talon-chan
What if I believe that homosexual sex does cause harm to both parties involved.

You'd have to prove that.

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Homosexuality =/= a**l-Sex

It's the attraction to people of the same-sex.

By suggesting that you're against homosexuality, because a**l-sex is dangerous to both people involved, you're essentially saying that you're against heterosexuality, too.

Approximately 1/3 straight people have engaged in a**l-sex.

Even if every homosexual person was having a**l-sex, it still wouldn't amount to the number of heterosexual people having it.

So realistically, if you think homosexuality is wrong for that reason, you're not only a bigot, but incredibly ignorant, too.

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Perhaps I am of the belief that every homosexual is only homosexual because of a tragic molestation experience as a child and that by continuing to be homosexual he or she only aggravates the wound, further harming his or herself?

I wasn't molested.

Refuted...

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Mind you, I don't believe that, but someone might.

Did this some-one finish Primary-School?

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So, again, there are many perfectly logical and reasonable justifications for thinking ill of homosexuals.

Logical?

No.

Reasonable?

Definitely not...

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You miss the point:

Bigotry: being intolerant of someone based on their opinions.
I am intolerant of KKK members, even the inactive ones that do not actually hurt anyone, because they are racist. Therefore I am a bigot for not accommodating the opinions of racists.

I don't think being in-tolerant of in-tolerance is bigotry.

I'd define bigotry as un-reasonable and un-justifiable bias or in-tolerance.
Siriusly_Black
Talon-chan
What if I believe that homosexual sex does cause harm to both parties involved.

You'd have to prove that.

Secondly:

Homosexuality =/= a**l-Sex

It's the attraction to people of the same-sex.

By suggesting that you're against homosexuality, because a**l-sex is dangerous to both people involved, you're essentially saying that you're against heterosexuality, too.

Approximately 1/3 straight people have engaged in a**l-sex.

Even if every homosexual person was having a**l-sex, it still wouldn't amount to the number of heterosexual people having it.

So realistically, if you think homosexuality is wrong for that reason, you're not only a bigot, but incredibly ignorant, too.

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Perhaps I am of the belief that every homosexual is only homosexual because of a tragic molestation experience as a child and that by continuing to be homosexual he or she only aggravates the wound, further harming his or herself?

I wasn't molested.

Refuted...

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Mind you, I don't believe that, but someone might.

Did this some-one finish Primary-School?

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So, again, there are many perfectly logical and reasonable justifications for thinking ill of homosexuals.

Logical?

No.

Reasonable?

Definitely not...

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You miss the point:

Bigotry: being intolerant of someone based on their opinions.
I am intolerant of KKK members, even the inactive ones that do not actually hurt anyone, because they are racist. Therefore I am a bigot for not accommodating the opinions of racists.

I don't think being in-tolerant of in-tolerance is bigotry.

I'd define bigotry as un-reasonable and un-justifiable bias or in-tolerance.


So if someone has a reason and a justification for disliking gays, it's not bigoted?
Cap_America
Siriusly_Black
Talon-chan
What if I believe that homosexual sex does cause harm to both parties involved.

You'd have to prove that.

Secondly:

Homosexuality =/= a**l-Sex

It's the attraction to people of the same-sex.

By suggesting that you're against homosexuality, because a**l-sex is dangerous to both people involved, you're essentially saying that you're against heterosexuality, too.

Approximately 1/3 straight people have engaged in a**l-sex.

Even if every homosexual person was having a**l-sex, it still wouldn't amount to the number of heterosexual people having it.

So realistically, if you think homosexuality is wrong for that reason, you're not only a bigot, but incredibly ignorant, too.

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Perhaps I am of the belief that every homosexual is only homosexual because of a tragic molestation experience as a child and that by continuing to be homosexual he or she only aggravates the wound, further harming his or herself?

I wasn't molested.

Refuted...

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Mind you, I don't believe that, but someone might.

Did this some-one finish Primary-School?

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So, again, there are many perfectly logical and reasonable justifications for thinking ill of homosexuals.

Logical?

No.

Reasonable?

Definitely not...

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You miss the point:

Bigotry: being intolerant of someone based on their opinions.
I am intolerant of KKK members, even the inactive ones that do not actually hurt anyone, because they are racist. Therefore I am a bigot for not accommodating the opinions of racists.

I don't think being in-tolerant of in-tolerance is bigotry.

I'd define bigotry as un-reasonable and un-justifiable bias or in-tolerance.


So if someone has a reason and a justification for disliking gays, it's not bigoted?


Well, it depends. If it was one specific person, then it is not bigotry. If it is a sexuality-wide hatred, then it cannot be justified, and is bigotry.
Cougar Draven
Cap_America
Siriusly_Black
Talon-chan
What if I believe that homosexual sex does cause harm to both parties involved.

You'd have to prove that.

Secondly:

Homosexuality =/= a**l-Sex

It's the attraction to people of the same-sex.

By suggesting that you're against homosexuality, because a**l-sex is dangerous to both people involved, you're essentially saying that you're against heterosexuality, too.

Approximately 1/3 straight people have engaged in a**l-sex.

Even if every homosexual person was having a**l-sex, it still wouldn't amount to the number of heterosexual people having it.

So realistically, if you think homosexuality is wrong for that reason, you're not only a bigot, but incredibly ignorant, too.

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Perhaps I am of the belief that every homosexual is only homosexual because of a tragic molestation experience as a child and that by continuing to be homosexual he or she only aggravates the wound, further harming his or herself?

I wasn't molested.

Refuted...

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Mind you, I don't believe that, but someone might.

Did this some-one finish Primary-School?

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So, again, there are many perfectly logical and reasonable justifications for thinking ill of homosexuals.

Logical?

No.

Reasonable?

Definitely not...

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You miss the point:

Bigotry: being intolerant of someone based on their opinions.
I am intolerant of KKK members, even the inactive ones that do not actually hurt anyone, because they are racist. Therefore I am a bigot for not accommodating the opinions of racists.

I don't think being in-tolerant of in-tolerance is bigotry.

I'd define bigotry as un-reasonable and un-justifiable bias or in-tolerance.


So if someone has a reason and a justification for disliking gays, it's not bigoted?


Well, it depends. If it was one specific person, then it is not bigotry. If it is a sexuality-wide hatred, then it cannot be justified, and is bigotry.


At the start of this post, the person gave you a bunch of examples of groups that they were intolerant of. I'm intolerant towards, say, some political parties, such as the National Socialists, because they have a history of rounding up my people and destroying them. That's a reason for it.

If a person dislikes homosexual people because he believes homosexual people are more inclined to engage in acts he finds distasteful, immoral, or against his religion, he has a REASON for it.
Cap_America
So if someone has a reason and a justification for disliking gays, it's not bigoted?

If it's reasonable and justifiable, then no, it's not.

However, I'm yet to see it.
Siriusly_Black
Cap_America
So if someone has a reason and a justification for disliking gays, it's not bigoted?

If it's reasonable and justifiable, then no, it's not.

However, I'm yet to see it.


Who defines what's reasonable and justifiable?
Cap_America
Siriusly_Black
Cap_America
So if someone has a reason and a justification for disliking gays, it's not bigoted?

If it's reasonable and justifiable, then no, it's not.

However, I'm yet to see it.


Who defines what's reasonable and justifiable?

Common-Sense?
Siriusly_Black
Cap_America
Siriusly_Black
Cap_America
So if someone has a reason and a justification for disliking gays, it's not bigoted?

If it's reasonable and justifiable, then no, it's not.

However, I'm yet to see it.


Who defines what's reasonable and justifiable?

Common-Sense?

If it boils down to common sense, why do people seem to disagree so much?
Common sense would imply that it was a view held by the majority of the people..hence, "Common."
i am all for gay and lesbian rights. if they wish to marry and adopt children that is fine. as long as they do not push it upon other people i am tottaly fine with it all. i have no problem with them living together sleeping together or anything just keep it to them selves. no i am not homophobic i just think that it isnt their job to push it onto others. just as it isnt strait people to try and make them strait. accept people for who they are and let them do as they wish to do. who are we to vote and say no you cant marry. that basically says the bible is right and yet we arnt supposed to mixed religion and politics...yet we doo all the time...... just let them be the way they want to be. if you dont like it you need help or you need to ignore it.... not change it. you arnt the leader of the world or others lives
Cap_America
Siriusly_Black
Cap_America
Siriusly_Black
Cap_America
So if someone has a reason and a justification for disliking gays, it's not bigoted?

If it's reasonable and justifiable, then no, it's not.

However, I'm yet to see it.


Who defines what's reasonable and justifiable?

Common-Sense?

If it boils down to common sense, why do people seem to disagree so much?
Common sense would imply that it was a view held by the majority of the people..hence, "Common."

Because most people lack it?

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