Christians in Gaia

[Ladydemon_Lyn]

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Ladydemon_Lyn

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

Been argued a billion times here and in the M&R.

Anyways, if you are going to make those statements, then prove that if he is able and unwilling he is malevolent.

I shouldn’t have to prove if he is malevolent or not. Not helping his own people when they are in need is a s**t head thing to do. Maybe he’s not malevolent just an a*****e or maybe he’s a procrastinator. You know, ‘I’ll get to saving them after I catch some Z’s.’

You SHOULD have to prove the assertion that if he his not willing he must be malevolent since you did make it. If you're going to make that conditional statement you're going to have to prove that it does lead to what you say it does.

Not helping them while they are in material need can have other motives. Besides the fact needing material things is irrelevant in the long run if God actually does exist, there can be other motives such as letting you choose good or evil for yourself. If He prevented all evil actions, no one would make them and people would hardly 'choose' good.

That’s a quote not my own words. >.> I could really careless what he’s like seeing as I’m agnostic. I put this here to see other people’s thoughts in it; I guess I should’ve added that in my post. Oh well I’ll edit it eventually.

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What... Honestly... Is the point of going into a forums posted as "CHRISTIANS of Gaia" and speaking your opinion against it??? There are like 49 pages of why Christianity is wrong... but that's not even the point of the damn forum! geesh!

[Ladydemon_Lyn]

jwfab8988

What... Honestly... Is the point of going into a forums posted as "CHRISTIANS of Gaia" and speaking your opinion against it??? There are like 49 pages of why Christianity is wrong... but that's not even the point of the damn forum! geesh!

Because if we didn't come here this thread would die and that would really be an insult now wouldn't it? At least with people who don't believe in God there's a better chance of more Christians actually coming to this thread.

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Kaizer Kobra

Explain. I'm not quite sure what you mean here by "wrong moral things". That kind of thing can have different meanings for different people. There are probably many things you consider immoral that I do not. For example, marijuana use doesn't bother me in the least.

Also... Couldn't it just be easier to make a reply in that topic, rather than making a topic of your own?



Riiight... Or you could just rely on your own personal strength to get through such traumatic times, rather than using a 2000-year-old dead Jew as a crutch to claw your way through a tragic ordeal.



GOD HAS A LIST OF TEN THINGS HE DOES NOT WANT YOU TO DO. AND IF YOU DO ANY ONE OF THESE THINGS, HE WILL SEND YOU TO A PLACE FULL OF FIRE AND SMOKE AND PAIN AND CRYING AND ANGUISH AND TORTURE...

But he loves you.

You don't read the Bible much do you?
To go a little further, he gave you the free will to make your own choices, and gave a way out in the fact that even MURDER can be forgiven if you but ask GOD for forgiveness.

So the last part of your Anti-Christian rant is pretty much BS.

Not all Christians try to push thier beliefs on any one, I don't. But I will speak out when people misquote the Bible to make all Christians seem to be assholes.

How wrong are the commandments... lets see:
Honor thy Mother and Father, Don't Lie, Don't Steal, Don't Murder, Don't Cheat on your Spouse, Honor the Sabbath (A day of rest) these seem to be Common Sense to me.

Even the Golden Rule: Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you. Or Christ's teachings: Love your enemies as you would love thyself,
and one that many Christians forget: Judge not lest you be judged.

You must have really loved it when George Carlin died.

Actually no I was a Carlin fan. He said it right when he took the 10 commandments and limited down to one... "Be nice to each other", Carlin had no problems with Christians just dickheads that try to push thier moral values on others.

I don't take joy in the deaths of others if I did I'd be a pretty ******** up person.

I didn’t mean to make it sound like you laterally were happy that he dies, I’m sorry my bad on the wording. I put that there because he was quoting him.

Ah! Ok no harm then.
The thing was in that Comedy Sketch he literally nailed my belief system.

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Ladydemon_Lyn

jwfab8988

What... Honestly... Is the point of going into a forums posted as "CHRISTIANS of Gaia" and speaking your opinion against it??? There are like 49 pages of why Christianity is wrong... but that's not even the point of the damn forum! geesh!

Because if we didn't come here this thread would die and that would really be an insult now wouldn't it? At least with people who don't believe in God there's a better chance of more Christians actually coming to this thread.

Makes sense, but it just infuriates those that actually are Christians...

[Ladydemon_Lyn]

jwfab8988

Ladydemon_Lyn

jwfab8988

What... Honestly... Is the point of going into a forums posted as "CHRISTIANS of Gaia" and speaking your opinion against it??? There are like 49 pages of why Christianity is wrong... but that's not even the point of the damn forum! geesh!

Because if we didn't come here this thread would die and that would really be an insult now wouldn't it? At least with people who don't believe in God there's a better chance of more Christians actually coming to this thread.

Makes sense, but it just infuriates those that actually are Christians...

Ah but it did get you to post didn't it? For some people they want to infuriate others just because they're more likely to get a better debate and actually get responses. Have you ever posted something and had it totally ignored? That pisses me off. >.<

[Ladydemon_Lyn]

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Kaizer Kobra

Explain. I'm not quite sure what you mean here by "wrong moral things". That kind of thing can have different meanings for different people. There are probably many things you consider immoral that I do not. For example, marijuana use doesn't bother me in the least.

Also... Couldn't it just be easier to make a reply in that topic, rather than making a topic of your own?



Riiight... Or you could just rely on your own personal strength to get through such traumatic times, rather than using a 2000-year-old dead Jew as a crutch to claw your way through a tragic ordeal.



GOD HAS A LIST OF TEN THINGS HE DOES NOT WANT YOU TO DO. AND IF YOU DO ANY ONE OF THESE THINGS, HE WILL SEND YOU TO A PLACE FULL OF FIRE AND SMOKE AND PAIN AND CRYING AND ANGUISH AND TORTURE...

But he loves you.

You don't read the Bible much do you?
To go a little further, he gave you the free will to make your own choices, and gave a way out in the fact that even MURDER can be forgiven if you but ask GOD for forgiveness.

So the last part of your Anti-Christian rant is pretty much BS.

Not all Christians try to push thier beliefs on any one, I don't. But I will speak out when people misquote the Bible to make all Christians seem to be assholes.

How wrong are the commandments... lets see:
Honor thy Mother and Father, Don't Lie, Don't Steal, Don't Murder, Don't Cheat on your Spouse, Honor the Sabbath (A day of rest) these seem to be Common Sense to me.

Even the Golden Rule: Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you. Or Christ's teachings: Love your enemies as you would love thyself,
and one that many Christians forget: Judge not lest you be judged.

You must have really loved it when George Carlin died.

Actually no I was a Carlin fan. He said it right when he took the 10 commandments and limited down to one... "Be nice to each other", Carlin had no problems with Christians just dickheads that try to push thier moral values on others.

I don't take joy in the deaths of others if I did I'd be a pretty ******** up person.

I didn’t mean to make it sound like you laterally were happy that he dies, I’m sorry my bad on the wording. I put that there because he was quoting him.

Ah! Ok no harm then.
The thing was in that Comedy Sketch he literally nailed my belief system.

Yeah I haven't been a fan of his for a long time but I really did love his Comedy Sketches and I was extremely sad when he died. D;

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[Dark Lord Drake]

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Ladydemon_Lyn

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

Been argued a billion times here and in the M&R.

Anyways, if you are going to make those statements, then prove that if he is able and unwilling he is malevolent.

I shouldn’t have to prove if he is malevolent or not. Not helping his own people when they are in need is a s**t head thing to do. Maybe he’s not malevolent just an a*****e or maybe he’s a procrastinator. You know, ‘I’ll get to saving them after I catch some Z’s.’

You SHOULD have to prove the assertion that if he his not willing he must be malevolent since you did make it. If you're going to make that conditional statement you're going to have to prove that it does lead to what you say it does.

Not helping them while they are in material need can have other motives. Besides the fact needing material things is irrelevant in the long run if God actually does exist, there can be other motives such as letting you choose good or evil for yourself. If He prevented all evil actions, no one would make them and people would hardly 'choose' good.

That’s a quote not my own words. >.> I could really careless what he’s like seeing as I’m agnostic. I put this here to see other people’s thoughts in it; I guess I should’ve added that in my post. Oh well I’ll edit it eventually.

Eh okay.

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Wow. It took me a little while to read through all of this. I'm going to post responses to some earlier comments, most of which have long been responded to, but I am expanding on them.

“wicked_fire”

lol.. its hard to be deep with almost anything in modern life. And yes, God wants his children to love him, he doesn't want slaves to worship him.

And yet, that is precisely what one becomes when they believe in and love him. A slave. With everything you do, you must be mindful of God. You must sacrifice money to God. You must commute with his people. You must communicate with God through prayer. You must hate in God’s name. You must love in God’s name. You must preach God’s name. You must love God. But, you aren’t a slave to God. Whatever you do, you musn’t open your eyes to God.

You just might discover the whip in his hands and the chains on your feet.
-DisasCatas

“Kruxis”

If god is truly all knowing how come he did not anticipate that people would use their free will for evil. Do you believe that the devil was originally an angel who fell from grace? If so it certainly seemed like God was not a very responsible creator. Why would he give someone free will and not make them perfect? Why does God not eliminate the devil if he loves us so much. The ideas of God's plan and humanity's free will directly oppose each other. I don't understand how Christians can believe in both.

Actually, since God “loves us” so much, it’d make much more sense for Him to make Heaven a place for believers, and just make some lame-o thing for us non-believers to be in. Maybe like keeping us on Earth forever. Most of us won’t really suffer (in a Hell-kinda way), and the Christians still go to Heaven.

Everyone is not capable of believing in God.
-DisasCatas

”wicked_fire”

He did know that lucifer would betray him, but lucifer is Gods child too. God still loves lucifer. We betray God everyday and he doesn't try to stop our future, he wants us to make our choices.

And as nickrawkzout said, God has a place and time for everything. The revelation will be the war between Lucifer and God, God will cast him into the lake of fire and then rule on earth. there will be one last chance for all the nonbelievers to repent then after all of the saved in heaven will rule on earth with God in the Kingdom

So… that whole battle seems to be a little unfair to me. Does God plan on giving ALL the unbelievers a fair shot? Like… by raising all the non-believers and such who have died already? Or just the ones alive during that seven-year period? Don’t remember coming across the answer in Revelations.

At any rate, it’s not like God doesn’t KNOW who won’t come to him in that time, so he should just skip all the crap and let the people go to Heaven.
-DisasCatas

“[ draken

”]Why should someone who doesn't believe in God reap the benefits after death?
Think of it like this.
You've known this person all your life who you're drawn to. Let's go as far as saying you love them and you, for some reason, dedicate your life to trying to get them to love you. They made it very clear that they hate you and want nothing to do with you. But when you die, they're pissed because they didn't get into your will.
Maybe not a perfect analogy, but.

No, it is a good analogy. It explains how much of an a*****e God is.

Let me explain:

Firstly, it’s not A’s fault that they love B, and it’s not B’s fault that they hate A. You can choose who you want to be around, but you can’t choose how your body reacts to them.

Secondly, A loves B, supposedly. If this were true, they would have placed B in their will despite B’s hatred toward them. Sweetie, maybe you don’t know what true love is, but that isn’t it. And, of course, God’s love is supposedly the “greatest love of all”.

Thirdly, you’re speaking of this tale from a human’s perspective. Sure, A, in your analogy, carried this out, but God should be above human faults. *He* should be able to rise above our petty human standards. Especially since us humans can.

He’s able to send his son down and die for our sins, but he isn’t able to forgive and forget about them despite our resistance to him doing so?

This guy is the one we’re supposed to turn to instead of ourselves?

Poppycock!
-DisasCatas

[Darth Roget]

Man, it's crazy how many people think negatively of Christians. I'm a Christian myself. I think the blame goes to those who force the belief onto others. Jesus didn't do that, so why do they? And for those who don't believe God exist, wouldn't the conscience be proof? I mean, it's pretty much the mental alarm for all wrong. But like I said, I'm not forcing anybody to convert or anything, and neither should anybody else. smile

PS.
WHO PUT THE XXX PICTURE? TOTALLY STUPID!

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“wicked_fire”

I am not saying that homosexuality is a "moral" law at all, im saying its a sin.

Its not your argument, its someone elses that you are quoteing therefore how can I discuss with you their thoughts if you aren't them, so get your own thoughts.

God used humans to write the Bible but it was still his words. Its like talking about a deaf person and saying that their interperter said such and such and that the deaf person had nothing to do with what the interperter said.

Ghandhi may have been an over all good person but he still sinned against THE God and as far as I know did not repent and ask Jesus Chrsit into his heart.

And as far as Im concerned God as the right to be an "atention whore" he created you and me and deserves every second of our lives devoted to him.

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“wicked_fire”

lol.. its hard to be deep with almost anything in modern life. And yes, God wants his children to love him, he doesn't want slaves to worship him.

-DisasCatas

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wicked_fire

The reason that Athiests and wicans and satanists convert to mormon more often if they convert at all if because mormonism is a little white lie of satans. He uses the book of mormon and redoes many of the main values in the Bible that God has set down. I could show some examples of this but again, I dont have the time right now.

Wicked_fire, if you “don’t have the time” to prove your point, then kindly do us all a favor and leave the ED. Really, do you think anyone is taking your arguments seriously when all you say is, “Yeah, well, (this) happens all the time. I’d give you some examples, but I don’t have enough time to list all (apparently) 11,000 of them.”

Hell, if you’ve actually got some “proofs,” then you don’t need to give us every recorded example. We’re fine tearing your logic apart one-by-one.

This is Extended Discussion. You don’t have to prove your bullshit beliefs about God, but don’t even start a topic in the ED if you’re going to say you haven’t the time to prove any of your claims!
-DisasCatas

“wicked_fire”

Don't question the Bible if you have not read it.

Sheesh. I’ve read through every page of this, and on every page, you continue to post absurdities and jump to conclusions. Really, I am trying not to be mean, but you must stop concluding that you’re the only one in this thread who has read the bible. Seeing as you’re one of the only long-term posters who refuses to quote anything from the bible because “there’s too much” or “there’s no time”. And you probably are the only one.

I suggest you go read the bible and cite every idea you decide to insert into your future posts or get out of the ED.
-DisasCatas

wicked_fire”

When a lost person reads the Bible more often than not it's just gibberish.
It's just like a person reading a poem who cant relate to what the author is conveying.

OIC. Please explain this process to me scientifically.

And um… poems, for example, are understandable to people who cannot relate to them. They’re just not as interesting.
-DisasCatas

Furthermore, wicked_fire, I will say that your blows are low and unnecessary. You keep insisting that everyone needs to start reading the Bible to answer their questions, which translates to you asking them to become knowledgeable about your religion, your sect in particular, before debating. And yet you attack poor Henrika about Catholicism, something you obviously know jack s**t about.

Me smellz a troll.
-DisasCatas