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xLady-Missiex
How are so many Christians trapped in Satan's little white lie? Don't they know that their "God" has killed millions of people either by indirect contact or influence through people? Is Satan really that sly?
YES, satan is very powerful, God is more powerful, but satan is powerful. Satan plays on our feelings and emotions and dangles in front of us what we want and know is wrong he gets us trapped deep with lil "oh well once isn't bad" or.. "I told part of the truth" kind of a thing to where it gets to where we just dont care about God anymore.
niquesamere
i have a question. what did jesus sacrifice exactly? remember sacrifice involves loss, it doesn't involve gain. and it certainly doesn't involve no loss and infinite gain.
MAny of us have respoded to this before from you, please go to te last time you posted it and read are answers there. Unless you are just trying to get a rise out of us in which case I ask you to stop because its getting annoying.
wicked_fire
xLady-Missiex
How are so many Christians trapped in Satan's little white lie? Don't they know that their "God" has killed millions of people either by indirect contact or influence through people? Is Satan really that sly?
YES, satan is very powerful, God is more powerful, but satan is powerful. Satan plays on our feelings and emotions and dangles in front of us what we want and know is wrong he gets us trapped deep with lil "oh well once isn't bad" or.. "I told part of the truth" kind of a thing to where it gets to where we just dont care about God anymore.


You don't see where Satan could so very easily play as you're God? If he can dangle emotions and feelings in front of you it would be so simple to trick billions of people into worshiping a god who has done so many horrible, cruel things without any of those people wondering "Why do I worship such a thing?"

If you always claim that others, even your own christian brothers and sisters for god sake, are somehow following the devil don't you think you should be questioning your own views as well? You are truly a fundie.
Metta Ahimsa
wicked_fire
ok... well I got that part niether my Bible nor my pastor >.< And I dont know what you mean by a ceremony. I hav no ceremony of the sort. Explain to me how catholics except Jesus Christ as their savior, please. And, yes, i know the Catholics believe and practice most of the ways of the Bible.
I wouldn't trust it then because it was wrong.
Catholics accept jesus christ in everything they do, to love jesus and god and follow their teachings is accepting jesus into their heart, to stand up and say they believe in jesus' teachings, they express their acceptance in everything they do, just like you.
My source is a group of books by the same authors ( a married couple) who started in what they thought as harmless wiccan and moved up to High priests and priestess in Stanism. Through this journy they had to become Catholic priests and other things as well. They cite everything they say to the best of their ability.
as far as salvation goes.. The bible says you must confess by mouth that Jesus Christ is you savior and by mouth you must repent and ask forgivness of your sins. Not Once does the Bible say that simply by good works and loving God will you go to heaven.
Cynthia of Venus
I've been here before a few times

Keep your ******** morals to yourself. Don't try to force them on me. You leave my opinion alone, I'll leave yours alone. Granted, idiots like that who put threads out to the world need to realize that their opinion isn't fact.

And I'm quite aware we're dying


I am not going to keep anything to myself as far as it is within the ToS and the spirit of the ED. I have a right to post anything within those rules, including my opinion on morals. When I read someone who uses the "f" word as an adjective I really wonder at their education level? confused It gives me the impression that the response comes from anger, which also makes me wonder why the topic is the cause of such a reaction? I do not mean to provoke you or to quarrel with you, but an you explain why you reacted so strongly to this post, Cynthia.

By the way, Cynthia of Venus is a gorgeous user name! I love it. 3nodding
wicked_fire
Metta Ahimsa
wicked_fire
ok... well I got that part niether my Bible nor my pastor >.< And I dont know what you mean by a ceremony. I hav no ceremony of the sort. Explain to me how catholics except Jesus Christ as their savior, please. And, yes, i know the Catholics believe and practice most of the ways of the Bible.
I wouldn't trust it then because it was wrong.
Catholics accept jesus christ in everything they do, to love jesus and god and follow their teachings is accepting jesus into their heart, to stand up and say they believe in jesus' teachings, they express their acceptance in everything they do, just like you.
My source is a group of books by the same authors ( a married couple) who started in what they thought as harmless wiccan and moved up to High priests and priestess in Stanism. Through this journy they had to become Catholic priests and other things as well. They cite everything they say to the best of their ability.
as far as salvation goes.. The bible says you must confess by mouth that Jesus Christ is you savior and by mouth you must repent and ask forgivness of your sins. Not Once does the Bible say that simply by good works and loving God will you go to heaven.


The Bible says you must be baptised by water, too. Isn't that a "good work?" Why is your name "wicked fire?"
wicked_fire
My source is a group of books by the same authors ( a married couple) who started in what they thought as harmless wiccan and moved up to High priests and priestess in Stanism. Through this journy they had to become Catholic priests and other things as well. They cite everything they say to the best of their ability.
It sounds very unreliable.
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as far as salvation goes.. The bible says you must confess by mouth that Jesus Christ is you savior and by mouth you must repent and ask forgivness of your sins. Not Once does the Bible say that simply by good works and loving God will you go to heaven.
They do this in the Nicene creed and when they go to confession and also in their prayers, such as the lords prayer. It does say that you must love your neighbour and to not to is to break the second greatest commandment and to not love the lord your god is the greatest commandment.
wicked_fire
niquesamere
i have a question. what did jesus sacrifice exactly? remember sacrifice involves loss, it doesn't involve gain. and it certainly doesn't involve no loss and infinite gain.
MAny of us have respoded to this before from you, please go to te last time you posted it and read are answers there. Unless you are just trying to get a rise out of us in which case I ask you to stop because its getting annoying.


and i told you everyday people suffer much worse with no guarantees and without infinite reward. so where's the sacrifice?
Henrika
Henrika
wicked_fire
Priests are a go between for you and God, you dont need that and it doesn't work like it did in the OT days. You must pray directly to God in order for your sins to be washed away. Communion is a ceremony, it nothing more, its just a symbol of Jesus Christ dying on the cross for our sins, It doesn't clense you in anyway when you take communion.
Also, there is no such thing as a minor sin or a big sin. The Bible says All sin is equal in the eyes of God. On judgement day a rapest will be held to the same degree of punishment as a little boy who stole a piece of bubble gum.

Mortal Sin: "To choose deliberately - that is, both knowing it and willing it - something gravely contrary to the divine law and to the ultimate end of man is to commit a mortal sin. This destroys in us the charity without which eternal beatitude is impossible. Unrepented, it brings eternal death."
Venial Sin: "Venial sin weakens charity; it manifests a disordered affection for created goods; it impedes the soul's progress in the exercise of the virtues and the practice of the moral good; it merits temporal punishment. Deliberate and unrepented venial sin disposes us little by little to commit mortal sin. However venial sin does not set us in direct opposition to the will and friendship of God; it does not break the covenant with God. With God's grace it is humanly reparable. 'Venial sin does not deprive the sinner of sanctifying grace, friendship with God, charity, and consequently eternal happiness.'"

When I go to confession I am asking God's forgiveness, the priest just guides me though the process.
"O my God,
I am heartily sorry for
having offended Thee,
and I detest all my sins,
because I dread the loss of heaven,
and the pains of hell;
but most of all because
they offend Thee, my God,
Who are all good and
deserving of all my love.
I firmly resolve,
with the help of Thy grace,
to confess my sins,
to do penance,
and to amend my life.

Amen.

Act of contrition (short version.) Notice how I would be praying to god not the priest. He is simply there to help me.

As for communion, that is one of the major differences between Catholicism and other forms of Christianity. We believe that when you eat the host, you are eating Jesus's body.
* The bread and the wine become the actual body and blood of Christ. The Catholic term for this is Transubstantiation.
* The bread and the wine are unchanged elements, but Christ's presence by faith is made spiritually real in and through them.
* The bread and the wine are unchanged elements, used as symbols, representing Christ's body and blood, in remembrance of his enduring sacrifice.

While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:26-28

Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:53-54

Because we believe this, if the host falls to the floor for any reason, the priest must eat it because simply throwing it away is like throwing away Jesus's body and that is insanely disrespectful.


wicked_fire
I understand the priest as a counsler but you need no help when praying to God you should be able to pray to God right where your at no matter what ime of day or he circumstances of the room.
I dont believe in memorized prayers as effective as real ones from the heart. I believe that God would much rather you pray somthing like" dear lord I have sinned by _______ please forgive me, amen" rather than a whole complex memorized prayer. When m brother and I were little and it was are time to prey before dinner everytime we said "Bless this food and nourish our Bodies Amen" over half the time we didn't mean it because it was just something we always said. If each and everytime we thought of a different way to say grce toGod then it would've ment a lot more to both us and God.

And as far as communion goes you have agreed with me that it is just a symbol, a VERY important symbol, but just that.


It is a symbol yes, but it is more than that. Even though the bread and wine don't physically change shape, they embody Jesus. I know it sounds weird and most people have trouble with this, but we are eating his body, not just a piece of bread.

Most memorized prayers were given to us by Jesus. Others were created/ approved by the pope who was set here by jesus. Peter was the first, and you can trace the line of popes back to peter.

Matthew 16:15-18
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter a rock, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

We do agree with prayers that you create by yourself. That is why before communion there is time to pray or ask forgiveness etc. by yourself. This is also encouraged at home. As for the prayer above, I mentioned its s short version, and it is also perfectly acceptable to make one up that means more to you. I know I do.
I take communion too, I know the importance of it and I know what it means.
I Know that peter was the first but im not so sure about the other popes, but that doesn't matter.
What do Catholics, or at least you, beleive about the rapture and tribulation and such?
wicked_fire
My source is a group of books by the same authors ( a married couple) who started in what they thought as harmless wiccan and moved up to High priests and priestess in Stanism. Through this journey they had to become Catholic priests and other things as well. They cite everything they say to the best of their ability.


It is not very easy to become a Catholic Priest and hardly worth a satanists time to become a Priest. Please source the name of these books because I think they are faulty, unscholarly and probably just basically anti-Catholic.
niquesamere
wicked_fire
niquesamere
i have a question. what did jesus sacrifice exactly? remember sacrifice involves loss, it doesn't involve gain. and it certainly doesn't involve no loss and infinite gain.
MAny of us have respoded to this before from you, please go to te last time you posted it and read are answers there. Unless you are just trying to get a rise out of us in which case I ask you to stop because its getting annoying.


and i told you everyday people suffer much worse with no guarantees and without infinite reward. so where's the sacrifice?

I dont beleive ther is a greater pain than having ALL of the sins of the world, past, present, and future, laid upon you.
I dont hink you are looking for a true answer, you're looking for an arguement. I have givin you my answer, so have many others and if thats not what you are looking for then you should search else where for your answer.
Methcalarjalope
wicked_fire
Metta Ahimsa
wicked_fire
ok... well I got that part niether my Bible nor my pastor >.< And I dont know what you mean by a ceremony. I hav no ceremony of the sort. Explain to me how catholics except Jesus Christ as their savior, please. And, yes, i know the Catholics believe and practice most of the ways of the Bible.
I wouldn't trust it then because it was wrong.
Catholics accept jesus christ in everything they do, to love jesus and god and follow their teachings is accepting jesus into their heart, to stand up and say they believe in jesus' teachings, they express their acceptance in everything they do, just like you.
My source is a group of books by the same authors ( a married couple) who started in what they thought as harmless wiccan and moved up to High priests and priestess in Stanism. Through this journy they had to become Catholic priests and other things as well. They cite everything they say to the best of their ability.
as far as salvation goes.. The bible says you must confess by mouth that Jesus Christ is you savior and by mouth you must repent and ask forgivness of your sins. Not Once does the Bible say that simply by good works and loving God will you go to heaven.


The Bible says you must be baptised by water, too. Isn't that a "good work?" Why is your name "wicked fire?"


Wiccan is completely different from Satanism. So I don't understand how they could have "moved up." If they were married they could not have become Catholic Priests etc. either because Catholic priests are not allowed to be married so that they can give themselves fully to god. I would assume that this couple is just as confused about religion as you are.

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wicked_fire

And, His sacrifice gave us a chance at eternal life. With out Him we would all burn in hell for eternity. I don't know about you but I'd much rather walk with Christ in streets of gold then be sent to a place of weeping a gnashing of teeth.


Same here.
my question to christians is: would you go on the cross?
would you make the great "sacrifice" of feeling temporary pain in exchange for and eternity of pleasure and bliss, knowing that you saved humanity from certain doom, and being able to sit in judgment of everyone else forever.

it's a really hard choice to make isn't it?
Methcalarjalope
wicked_fire
My source is a group of books by the same authors ( a married couple) who started in what they thought as harmless wiccan and moved up to High priests and priestess in Stanism. Through this journey they had to become Catholic priests and other things as well. They cite everything they say to the best of their ability.


It is not very easy to become a Catholic Priest and hardly worth a satanists time to become a Priest. Please source the name of these books because I think they are faulty, unscholarly and probably just basically anti-Catholic.

the books of William and Sharon Schnoebelen, there are many and I suggest you red them all but I have a feeling you wont even look for one.( you can get them online cheap at chick publications if you like)
They are nto at all anti-Catholic. They tell the story of their Journey and how God saved them for a truly horrible way of life.

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