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Metta Ahimsa
wicked_fire
Angels_Satire
wicked_fire
Nocturnal Soliloquy
Both Christian religionists and atheist/agnostics are prone to bickering with each other. Pretty dumb, really, since that's no way to convert anyone, doesn't even make you feel good but just look like an a**, and indicates a lack of tolerance and an insecurity in your beliefs.
I believe that taking hours and hopurs of tearing apart of my beliefs and having a Biblical supported come back to every sngle attack does not show one bit of insecurity in my beliefs. If I had insecurity the I would be like one of the many gaians who have came in here and read the posts and just said to them selves, yep thats good. and the left. I am defending my beliefs to all who care to attack them and I have not faultered once.


Not faultered?

This coming from the one that thinks they're being 'attacked'?

Do you not agree with me tht people are attacking my beliefs? Show me where they haven't been then I will take back that staement. And just because I feel attacked doesn't mean that I haven't answered each attack with out faultering.
Can I just say that priests are used in protestantism too, of which your church will be a part. Your pastor is a priest. In CofE we called them vicars. Catholics do accept jesus into their heart, just in a different way.
Can I ask are you getting this from a tract you got by a man called Jack Chick?
No i'm not using a tract. Aeive there to be only one way to ask Jesus Christ into your heart, it is very simple, but there is only one, I wish that catholics could see this. I haveno wish for anyone to go to hell. I feel catholics, like many other reigions, ae traped in little white lies that add up into changeing the whole word of God and thus putting them into danger.
Hey, I have some qustions myself here..

Why dont catholics blieve in ALL of the Bible, I know they stick with some of the old suff and leave out some of the new, but why?

Why do Mormons believe in all of these so called prophets from God when MANY MANY MANY of them have made prophecys that have never came true?

I have more but lets start with these few.
Oh and what exactly do Johavah Wittnesses believe? Does anybody know that can put it into easy to read format?
Why are satanists so power hungry? Why dont they knowthat the power of God is much MUCH greater than that of Lucifer could ever have?
Wyedg
Cancer Causing Gods
Wyedg
What's with all the people posting challenges to wicked_fire's religion? She didn't post this thread to propagate or argue about her beliefs. It was obviously just meant to band together for support with other's who share her religion. The way some people are attacking her beliefs is no different than when churches picket concerts and pride parades. I'm not religious, but I can at least confidently say that bigotry and hypocrisy are wrong.

Except, right and wrong are subjective.

Yes they are, but that is YOUR belief, and she is just as entitled to hers'. She isn't challenging anyone.

Nor am I. =D

Edit: Now she is.
How are so many wiccans trapped in Satans little white lie? Dont they see that their "teachers" are different then they are? Are the satanists that sly?
wicked_fire

Do you not agree with me tht people are attacking my beliefs? Show me where they haven't been then I will take back that staement. And just because I feel attacked doesn't mean that I haven't answered each attack with out faultering.
Can I just say that priests are used in protestantism too, of which your church will be a part. Your pastor is a priest. In CofE we called them vicars. Catholics do accept jesus into their heart, just in a different way.
Can I ask are you getting this from a tract you got by a man called Jack Chick? No i'm not using a tract. Aeive there to be only one way to ask Jesus Christ into your heart, it is very simple, but there is only one, I wish that catholics could see this. I haveno wish for anyone to go to hell. I feel catholics, like many other reigions, ae traped in little white lies that add up into changeing the whole word of God and thus putting them into danger. Are you taking this from the bible or your pastor? because they may not ask him in a ceremony like yours but they do it, just in a different way. If you got it from the bible can I ask which part, because they do follow the law of agape which I posted earlier the love the lord your god, they follow that totally.
wicked_fire
Metta Ahimsa
wicked_fire
Angels_Satire
wicked_fire
Nocturnal Soliloquy
Both Christian religionists and atheist/agnostics are prone to bickering with each other. Pretty dumb, really, since that's no way to convert anyone, doesn't even make you feel good but just look like an a**, and indicates a lack of tolerance and an insecurity in your beliefs.
I believe that taking hours and hopurs of tearing apart of my beliefs and having a Biblical supported come back to every sngle attack does not show one bit of insecurity in my beliefs. If I had insecurity the I would be like one of the many gaians who have came in here and read the posts and just said to them selves, yep thats good. and the left. I am defending my beliefs to all who care to attack them and I have not faultered once.


Not faultered?

This coming from the one that thinks they're being 'attacked'?

Do you not agree with me tht people are attacking my beliefs? Show me where they haven't been then I will take back that staement. And just because I feel attacked doesn't mean that I haven't answered each attack with out faultering.
Can I just say that priests are used in protestantism too, of which your church will be a part. Your pastor is a priest. In CofE we called them vicars. Catholics do accept jesus into their heart, just in a different way.
Can I ask are you getting this from a tract you got by a man called Jack Chick?
No i'm not using a tract. Aeive there to be only one way to ask Jesus Christ into your heart, it is very simple, but there is only one, I wish that catholics could see this. I haveno wish for anyone to go to hell. I feel catholics, like many other reigions, ae traped in little white lies that add up into changeing the whole word of God and thus putting them into danger.

I just read the first couple of pages of this and saw the immediate discrimination from others, so I came to your defense. But after seeing how the conversation has shifted from it's original topic, I am rethinking what I said. I think you need to chill with the religion war. You aren't going to "save" anyone by continuing to argue after you can see that they've been pissed off.
Metta Ahimsa
wicked_fire

Do you not agree with me tht people are attacking my beliefs? Show me where they haven't been then I will take back that staement. And just because I feel attacked doesn't mean that I haven't answered each attack with out faultering.
Can I just say that priests are used in protestantism too, of which your church will be a part. Your pastor is a priest. In CofE we called them vicars. Catholics do accept jesus into their heart, just in a different way.
Can I ask are you getting this from a tract you got by a man called Jack Chick?
No i'm not using a tract. Aeive there to be only one way to ask Jesus Christ into your heart, it is very simple, but there is only one, I wish that catholics could see this. I haveno wish for anyone to go to hell. I feel catholics, like many other reigions, ae traped in little white lies that add up into changeing the whole word of God and thus putting them into danger. Are you taking this from the bible or your pastor? because they may not ask him in a ceremony like yours but they do it, just in a different way. If you got it from the bible can I ask which part, because they do follow the law of agape which I posted earlier the love the lord your god, they follow that totally. ok... well I got that part niether my Bible nor my pastor >.< And I dont know what you mean by a ceremony. I hav no ceremony of the sort. Explain to me how catholics except Jesus Christ as their savior, please. And, yes, i know the Catholics believe and practice most of the ways of the Bible.
wicked_fire and Wyedg: As i agree full heartedly agree with Christain faith and all that goes along with it since i am a christain and my mom helps with the church, this topic got way outta hand and i hate to say but this thread has no purpose anymore. there is no point in trying to explain yourself to people here becuz everyone is going to say you are attacking them when you prove something to them they dont believe or they will turn everything you say around on you and try to make you feel bad for it. i will be one person to say i will listen to anyones case and read it through before judging what they are saying. in this case, they didnt do that to you (wicked_fire). they saw a chance to make you look bad and went for it. this topic is not even just about religion anymore. it became a contest to see who had a better view on life if general.
How are so many Christians trapped in Satan's little white lie? Don't they know that their "God" has killed millions of people either by indirect contact or influence through people? Is Satan really that sly?
i have a question. what did jesus sacrifice exactly? remember sacrifice involves loss, it doesn't involve gain. and it certainly doesn't involve no loss and infinite gain.
Wyedg
wicked_fire
Metta Ahimsa
wicked_fire
Angels_Satire


Not faultered?

This coming from the one that thinks they're being 'attacked'?

Do you not agree with me tht people are attacking my beliefs? Show me where they haven't been then I will take back that staement. And just because I feel attacked doesn't mean that I haven't answered each attack with out faultering.
Can I just say that priests are used in protestantism too, of which your church will be a part. Your pastor is a priest. In CofE we called them vicars. Catholics do accept jesus into their heart, just in a different way.
Can I ask are you getting this from a tract you got by a man called Jack Chick?
No i'm not using a tract. Aeive there to be only one way to ask Jesus Christ into your heart, it is very simple, but there is only one, I wish that catholics could see this. I haveno wish for anyone to go to hell. I feel catholics, like many other reigions, ae traped in little white lies that add up into changeing the whole word of God and thus putting them into danger.

I just read the first couple of pages of this and saw the immediate discrimination from others, so I came to your defense. But after seeing how the conversation has shifted from it's original topic, I am rethinking what I said. I think you need to chill with the religion war. You aren't going to "save" anyone by continuing to argue after you can see that they've been pissed off.


my purpose of continueing n this forum is not to save anyone, I have come to the reality a LONG time ago that thats just not gunna happen here. My whole reason of continueing is to tell others of my beliefs and to learn of theres so in the future in RL purhas I may be able to save someone, but I am a LONG ways from that.
wicked_fire
ok... well I got that part niether my Bible nor my pastor >.< And I dont know what you mean by a ceremony. I hav no ceremony of the sort. Explain to me how catholics except Jesus Christ as their savior, please. And, yes, i know the Catholics believe and practice most of the ways of the Bible.
I wouldn't trust it then because it was wrong.
Catholics accept jesus christ in everything they do, to love jesus and god and follow their teachings is accepting jesus into their heart, to stand up and say they believe in jesus' teachings, they express their acceptance in everything they do, just like you.
Henrika
wicked_fire
Priests are a go between for you and God, you dont need that and it doesn't work like it did in the OT days. You must pray directly to God in order for your sins to be washed away. Communion is a ceremony, it nothing more, its just a symbol of Jesus Christ dying on the cross for our sins, It doesn't clense you in anyway when you take communion.
Also, there is no such thing as a minor sin or a big sin. The Bible says All sin is equal in the eyes of God. On judgement day a rapest will be held to the same degree of punishment as a little boy who stole a piece of bubble gum.

Mortal Sin: "To choose deliberately - that is, both knowing it and willing it - something gravely contrary to the divine law and to the ultimate end of man is to commit a mortal sin. This destroys in us the charity without which eternal beatitude is impossible. Unrepented, it brings eternal death."
Venial Sin: "Venial sin weakens charity; it manifests a disordered affection for created goods; it impedes the soul's progress in the exercise of the virtues and the practice of the moral good; it merits temporal punishment. Deliberate and unrepented venial sin disposes us little by little to commit mortal sin. However venial sin does not set us in direct opposition to the will and friendship of God; it does not break the covenant with God. With God's grace it is humanly reparable. 'Venial sin does not deprive the sinner of sanctifying grace, friendship with God, charity, and consequently eternal happiness.'"

When I go to confession I am asking God's forgiveness, the priest just guides me though the process.
"O my God,
I am heartily sorry for
having offended Thee,
and I detest all my sins,
because I dread the loss of heaven,
and the pains of hell;
but most of all because
they offend Thee, my God,
Who are all good and
deserving of all my love.
I firmly resolve,
with the help of Thy grace,
to confess my sins,
to do penance,
and to amend my life.

Amen.

Act of contrition (short version.) Notice how I would be praying to god not the priest. He is simply there to help me.

As for communion, that is one of the major differences between Catholicism and other forms of Christianity. We believe that when you eat the host, you are eating Jesus's body.
* The bread and the wine become the actual body and blood of Christ. The Catholic term for this is Transubstantiation.
* The bread and the wine are unchanged elements, but Christ's presence by faith is made spiritually real in and through them.
* The bread and the wine are unchanged elements, used as symbols, representing Christ's body and blood, in remembrance of his enduring sacrifice.

While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:26-28

Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:53-54

Because we believe this, if the host falls to the floor for any reason, the priest must eat it because simply throwing it away is like throwing away Jesus's body and that is insanely disrespectful.


wicked_fire
I understand the priest as a counsler but you need no help when praying to God you should be able to pray to God right where your at no matter what ime of day or he circumstances of the room.
I dont believe in memorized prayers as effective as real ones from the heart. I believe that God would much rather you pray somthing like" dear lord I have sinned by _______ please forgive me, amen" rather than a whole complex memorized prayer. When m brother and I were little and it was are time to prey before dinner everytime we said "Bless this food and nourish our Bodies Amen" over half the time we didn't mean it because it was just something we always said. If each and everytime we thought of a different way to say grce toGod then it would've ment a lot more to both us and God.

And as far as communion goes you have agreed with me that it is just a symbol, a VERY important symbol, but just that.


It is a symbol yes, but it is more than that. Even though the bread and wine don't physically change shape, they embody Jesus. I know it sounds weird and most people have trouble with this, but we are eating his body, not just a piece of bread.

Most memorized prayers were given to us by Jesus. Others were created/ approved by the pope who was set here by jesus. Peter was the first, and you can trace the line of popes back to peter.

Matthew 16:15-18
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter a rock, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

We do agree with prayers that you create by yourself. That is why before communion there is time to pray or ask forgiveness etc. by yourself. This is also encouraged at home. As for the prayer above, I mentioned its s short version, and it is also perfectly acceptable to make one up that means more to you. I know I do.

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