Are Catholics Christian?

Are Catholics Christian?

Yes.	77.3%	[ 334 ]
No.	22.7%	[ 98 ]
Total Votes:			[ 432 ]

This poll closed on December 29, 2006.
No longer accepting new votes.

[Wolf_Moon85]

Are you serious?

Catholic is DEFINATELY Christian and it's an old version of it at that. Different denominations of the religion are all out there but they're all Christian.

[p l u s h i e]

no. christian is christian. catholic is catholic. mad im getting so frickin... augh nvm stare

[BlackShadow03]

k e k i

no. christian is christian. catholic is catholic. mad im getting so frickin... augh nvm stare

Catholicism is the largest Christian sect. You might as well claim that Lutheran isn't Christian. stare

[Slick Southpaw]

BlackShadow03

k e k i

no. christian is christian. catholic is catholic. mad im getting so frickin... augh nvm stare

Catholicism is the largest Christian sect. You might as well claim that Lutheran isn't Christian. stare

Christianity came from Judiasm. Then there were Roman Catholics and it later split with Greek Orthodox with the transferrance of the Roman capital to Constantinople...then other Christian religions popped up cuz they didn't like something that the other two major branches taught.

believe it or not, Catholics worship God alone.
and they do not worship the Blessed Mother or the saints.
we pay our respects. there's a difference.

[Slick Southpaw]

Takeshi Tohal

for exsample

Christmas is not christian thing!!
Origin of Christian festival
Origen, a father of the Christian church, argued against the celebration of birthdays, including the birth of Christ.It is unknown exactly when or why December 25 became associated with Jesus' birth. The New Testament does not give a specific date.[13] Sextus Julius Africanus popularized the idea that Jesus was born on December 25 in his Chronographiai, a reference book for Christians written in AD 221.[13] This date is nine months after the traditional date of the Incarnation (March 25), now celebrated as the Feast of the Annunciation.[17] March 25 was also considered to be the date of the vernal equinox and therefore the creation of Adam.[17] Early Christians believed March 25 was also the date Jesus was crucified.[17] The Christian idea that Jesus was conceived on the same date that he died on the cross is consistent with a Jewish belief that a prophet lived an integral number of years.[17]

The identification of the birthdate of Jesus did not at first inspire feasting or celebration. Tertullian does not mention it as a major feast day in the Church of Roman Africa. In 245, the theologian Origen denounced the idea of celebrating Jesus' birthday "as if he were a king pharaoh." He contended that only sinners, not saints, celebrated their birthdays.[7]

The earliest reference to the celebration of Christmas is in the Calendar of Filocalus, an illuminated manuscript compiled in Rome in 354.[3][18] In the east, meanwhile, Christians celebrated the birth of Jesus as part of Epiphany (January 6), although this festival focused on the baptism of Jesus.[19]

Christmas was promoted in the east as part of the revival of Catholicism following the death of the pro-Arian Emperor Valens at the Battle of Adrianople in 378. The feast was introduced to Constantinople in 379, to Antioch in about 380, and to Alexandria in about 430. Christmas was especially controversial in 4th century Constantinople, being the "fortress of Arianism," as Edward Gibbon described it. The feast disappeared after Gregory of Nazianzus resigned as bishop in 381, although it was reintroduced by John Chrysostom in about 400.[3]

fact of the matter is, the holiday is called Christmas. Pagan traditions have been incorporated into honoring the day of Christ's birth. It's the winners that write the history....

[SapphWolf]

Ratri_Cat

Takeshi Tohal

for exsample

Christmas is not christian thing!!
Origin of Christian festival
Origen, a father of the Christian church, argued against the celebration of birthdays, including the birth of Christ.It is unknown exactly when or why December 25 became associated with Jesus' birth. The New Testament does not give a specific date.[13] Sextus Julius Africanus popularized the idea that Jesus was born on December 25 in his Chronographiai, a reference book for Christians written in AD 221.[13] This date is nine months after the traditional date of the Incarnation (March 25), now celebrated as the Feast of the Annunciation.[17] March 25 was also considered to be the date of the vernal equinox and therefore the creation of Adam.[17] Early Christians believed March 25 was also the date Jesus was crucified.[17] The Christian idea that Jesus was conceived on the same date that he died on the cross is consistent with a Jewish belief that a prophet lived an integral number of years.[17]

The identification of the birthdate of Jesus did not at first inspire feasting or celebration. Tertullian does not mention it as a major feast day in the Church of Roman Africa. In 245, the theologian Origen denounced the idea of celebrating Jesus' birthday "as if he were a king pharaoh." He contended that only sinners, not saints, celebrated their birthdays.[7]

The earliest reference to the celebration of Christmas is in the Calendar of Filocalus, an illuminated manuscript compiled in Rome in 354.[3][18] In the east, meanwhile, Christians celebrated the birth of Jesus as part of Epiphany (January 6), although this festival focused on the baptism of Jesus.[19]

Christmas was promoted in the east as part of the revival of Catholicism following the death of the pro-Arian Emperor Valens at the Battle of Adrianople in 378. The feast was introduced to Constantinople in 379, to Antioch in about 380, and to Alexandria in about 430. Christmas was especially controversial in 4th century Constantinople, being the "fortress of Arianism," as Edward Gibbon described it. The feast disappeared after Gregory of Nazianzus resigned as bishop in 381, although it was reintroduced by John Chrysostom in about 400.[3]

fact of the matter is, the holiday is called Christmas. Pagan traditions have been incorporated into honoring the day of Christ's birth. It's the winners that write the history....

A statement I'm sure that ******** Darwin would be proud of.

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Christianality-Christians-Birth of Christ.Catholics(NO NOT CHRIST,ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.)seriously ..."sarcasm"point that out for the non-religious.

[ManateeMan]

SapphWolf

A statement I'm sure that ******** Darwin would be proud of.

No, not really... maybe a social Darwinist but not Darwin himself you moron, because Darwin studied species and stuff like that. Social Darwinist apply his priciples of the natural onto the human world aswell. Does it mean Darwin would have probably approved? No. Oh and no one calls Darwin a ******** unless they don't understand the first thing about what Darwin did for biology and science. So in the words of Gene Wilder: Good day sir!

[DesertEagle44mag]

There wouldn't be any "Christians" if it weren't for the catholic church.

After Jesus' death, his various followers argued back and forth as they shaped the religion, dropping books of the bible here and there, changing words here and there, until they pretty much kinda sorta agreed. Then, when the romans finally came around to christianity, they founded the roman catholic church, and that was the beginning of organized christianity.


It wasn't until the 1500s that the protestants began to break away, forming the religion that you now follow.

The first church to break away was the Lutheran church, which did not think that all catholics were idol worshipers, but rather that they were corrupt. Every Christian denominatin to this day, asider from the church of england, broke off from the Luthern church.

I have a good friend who believes as you do. She also believes all Catholics are doomed to hell. And I always ask her, "Do you think that everyone who followed the catholic church from roman times until the 1500s went to hell?"

She never has an answer.

Also, you can argue that the catholic's brand of worship is more pagan than yours, and you would be right, but your own brand of Christianity is also riddled with pagan-inspired accents.

No one knows for sure what day Jesus was born, and it likely wasn't even in December, since it is unlikely that the shepards would have been out in the fields in the middle of winter. So when the catholics wanted to convert the celts, who were all pagan, they choose an important celtic holiday, winter solstice, as Christ';s birthday, to make it easier for the celts to make the religious switch. THis was very, very common. Easter is around the same day as the pagan Spring Equinox.


Actually, that's how the whole saints thing got started. The celts has many gods and goddesses whom they wished to continue worshiping, so the church simply turned them into saints. In fact, the Irish were so attatched to their Goddess, Brigid, that if the church hadn't allowed them to continue worshiping her as a saint, they would probably all still be pagan to this day. The church even allowed them to keep her eternal fire burning, even though it was a very "heathen" ritual.

The above paragraph may just make you dislike catholics even more, but I am just trying to point of the roots of the faith you follow. At the time all this was going on, every Christian in the world was catholic.

[ManateeMan]

Sigh, your correct about christmas but not about Easter being moved, just the name and the eggs crap... It was around passover which is around spring, nothing to do with the equinox

[DesertEagle44mag]

ManateeMan

Sigh, your correct about christmas but not about Easter being moved, just the name and the eggs crap... It was around passover which is around spring, nothing to do with the equinox

That is true. However, the church did use that pagan's Spring Equinox (or Imbolc) holiday as away to get them to make the switch, ans allowed them to celebrate the Christian Easter with many of their pagan traditions, such as the eggs, as you said.

[SapphWolf]

ManateeMan

SapphWolf

A statement I'm sure that ******** Darwin would be proud of.

No, not really... maybe a social Darwinist but not Darwin himself you moron, because Darwin studied species and stuff like that. Social Darwinist apply his priciples of the natural onto the human world aswell. Does it mean Darwin would have probably approved? No. Oh and no one calls Darwin a ******** unless they don't understand the first thing about what Darwin did for biology and science. So in the words of Gene Wilder: Good day sir!

Apologies. My mistake. I do admit that I have not studied anything beyond high school biology so I, in my ignorance, associate Darwin with social Darwinists. My deepest apologies for speaking on matters that I know little to nothing about. I do feel the need to point out that just because he did a lot for the scientific community doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't a ********.

[AllyBear_Magic]

Surf Kitty 69

I have a question for you guys: Do you consider Catholics to be Christian?

I know a lot of you said "yes," but actually, you're wrong. Catholics aren't Christian. They claim to be, but they worship the virgin Mary, and not Jesus or God. Also, they dance pagan dances around that huge hat the pope has, when the Bible says that nobody should keep idols.

If you have any more questions, please direct them to me and I will be happy to direct you to the way of reason and light. True Christianity comes from your heart and Jesus, not Pope mobiles and bread cookies.

Please save your souls before it's too late.

and will becoming christian save my soul. Is my soul really worth keeping? lolz

[Firebirdy]

Please, come up with your own argument, don't steal it from a Jesus book.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

[Kaytbeg]

Erm.

We don't worship the Virgin Mary or the saints or the Pope O.o

Where do people this idea? I'm not pointing fingers, I'm just wondering. I would honestly like to know.