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I agree to a point, at the atart of the game Kairi does seem somewhat wishy-washy with the points that have already been made, but then in the ending sequence (sorry for any spoilers) she seems a bit more caring of Sora, escecially when she finds his addition to their drawing in the secret cave
hey, may i remind you who saved sora from being hacked in half, not to mention her heart in the process, and saved sora from being a freakin' heartless before donald went off the deep end and used Thundara to kill him? But still, she could have been a LITTLE more useful. but not in the game much? she was almost the friggin' core center of the whole damn game! she was a princess of heart, correct? Hollow Bastion was a CASTLE. the CASTLE of THE KINGDOM HEARTS! KAIRI was the PRINCESS of HOLLOW BASTION and KINGDOM HEARTS! Don't you get it?!!? But most of you are right in most of your points, like how Riku was a bit more competent in the fact of saving Kairi, even if he did screw with the powers of darkness and nearly lost his heart
she was cool what are you talking about
Okay, enough already. Now you're just being rude. You've created three seperate threads about Kingdom Hearts now. You could have discussed all of these topics in one thread. You didn't even make a single new thread to discuss the game, which still would have been a repeat thread. No, you've created three different threads to discuss one single game. I don't care how many different aspects of it you discuss, because you could discuss them all in one thread, particularly the official. You've created "unkowns vs. deep dive" "why did riku become dark?" and now this description of kairi thread. Saying you don't want to deal with fangirls/boys just makes you appear to be an eletist fangirl in your own right, and doesn't excuse making a repeat thread. Please post your questions in the official one, rather than making a brand new damned thread about the same game every two days. It's rude.

Now, go ahead and flame me if you wish. Or mask it with "we're correcting you" or whatever other "no no, it's really a nice thing I'm telling you to get lost" comment you can think of. The fact remains, this is a repeat thread. The third the creator has made in recent memory. I implore you all to post in the "Official" thread, and let this one die. And make whatever comments you will about me bumping this because this needed to be said. Someone creating an endless supply of topics about ONE single game is a spammer, however intelligent they may make their posts appear to be.
okay, before i leave this topic forever, i'm going to say that Kairi spent the year inbetween KHs 1 and 2 training so she could find sora. info courtesy kingdomhearts2.net. i'm out.
Gah people stop bumping this.. I'm pulling an idiot posting on it myself.. but click the banner in my sig & go there!
Laser_warrior
hey, may i remind you who saved sora from being hacked in half, not to mention her heart in the process, and saved sora from being a freakin' heartless before donald went off the deep end and used Thundara to kill him? But still, she could have been a LITTLE more useful. but not in the game much? she was almost the friggin' core center of the whole damn game! she was a princess of heart, correct? Hollow Bastion was a CASTLE. the CASTLE of THE KINGDOM HEARTS! KAIRI was the PRINCESS of HOLLOW BASTION and KINGDOM HEARTS! Don't you get it?!!? But most of you are right in most of your points, like how Riku was a bit more competent in the fact of saving Kairi, even if he did screw with the powers of darkness and nearly lost his heart


I already addressed her "saving" Sora. Sora was close to both Riku and Kairi. If Riku had been there, he could have done the same thing for Sora. In fact, he did call to him when Sora was fighting Ansem. And if Donald had used the spell, chances are that Sora would have just appeared on the other side of the door with Mickey, since he's too strong to just die.

And even though much of the storyline revolved around saving her, you don't get to see her much. And Kairi isn't necessarily the princess of Hollow Bastion. Alice was a princess of heart, but not a princess. And she isn't the princess of Kingdom Hearts, because Kingdom Hearts isn't associated with Hollow Bastion. The door to KH was in the darkness, and Sora reached it through the "End of the World."
Rema
And so the developers over across the ocean are stuck with a problem: which of the two archtypes to cater to? Should their lead female be capable and smart, or should she be cute and useless? (For the most part, from what I've seen, the developers throw in one of each in your active party when the choice is there, and if they can only have one, they opt for #2) Which sucks. A lot.


It seems that developers like to give the main character someone to save in order to drive them forward. But sometimes I wish they'd take another route. I would have been a lot more interested if Sora's and Riku's goals were to save the worlds. Perhaps their driving force could have been the fact that they saw a lot of people die because of the heartless, or something to that effect. It would make the game darker, but it would also get away from the cliche situation of having to save the damsel.
StarWarrior Chi
Rema
And so the developers over across the ocean are stuck with a problem: which of the two archtypes to cater to? Should their lead female be capable and smart, or should she be cute and useless? (For the most part, from what I've seen, the developers throw in one of each in your active party when the choice is there, and if they can only have one, they opt for #2) Which sucks. A lot.


It seems that developers like to give the main character someone to save in order to drive them forward. But sometimes I wish they'd take another route. I would have been a lot more interested if Sora's and Riku's goals were to save the worlds. Perhaps their driving force could have been the fact that they saw a lot of people die because of the heartless, or something to that effect. It would make the game darker, but it would also get away from the cliche situation of having to save the damsel.


It makes more of an impact if someone close to the main characters is in trouble. Sora would care more about saving Kairi than some random guy on the street. However, it would be less cliche if Sora saw someone else in trouble. For example, if one of his new friends, such as a Final Fantasy character or some other original character of Square's choosing were to be seriously injured from the heartless, he would probably still feel the desire to press on.

Dapper Grabber

As well thought out as this thread is and as much as I agree that I dislike Kairi's character, my killer instincts make me hate all KH threads... seriously, could you NOT have posted it in the Official thread and save us the headache?
Chaos of Vincent
StarWarrior Chi
Rema
And so the developers over across the ocean are stuck with a problem: which of the two archtypes to cater to? Should their lead female be capable and smart, or should she be cute and useless? (For the most part, from what I've seen, the developers throw in one of each in your active party when the choice is there, and if they can only have one, they opt for #2) Which sucks. A lot.


It seems that developers like to give the main character someone to save in order to drive them forward. But sometimes I wish they'd take another route. I would have been a lot more interested if Sora's and Riku's goals were to save the worlds. Perhaps their driving force could have been the fact that they saw a lot of people die because of the heartless, or something to that effect. It would make the game darker, but it would also get away from the cliche situation of having to save the damsel.


It makes more of an impact if someone close to the main characters is in trouble. Sora would care more about saving Kairi than some random guy on the street. However, it would be less cliche if Sora saw someone else in trouble. For example, if one of his new friends, such as a Final Fantasy character or some other original character of Square's choosing were to be seriously injured from the heartless, he would probably still feel the desire to press on.


Exactly. Perhaps if someone who was helping him got seriously hurt, or even if a large group of people in an area got hurt, it would make a bigger impact in terms of the big picture. Or maybe Sora could actually see the complete destruction of another world from start to finish?

But thankfully, it looks like they will be taking a look at the bigger picture in the second game. After all, Kairi is safe at home, and Riku can take care of himself.

Kairi's role as a princess of heart also seems to be finished. So they'll actually have to examine her character in the next couple games. As Rema said, it will show her for what she is.
The princesses of heart probably have extended roles outside of what they gave us in the first game. Something tells me that they have more to do, outside of simply being the ones to open the door. Besides, they didn't seem to open a door of any importance if you think about it. They opened the door to Hollow Bastion, but who is to say that door was more important than the others Sora locked? It just looked bigger to me. Kingdom Hearts is in a completely different location.
You make a lot of good points here. Kairi's character was sorely underdeveloped, and I hope they take more time with her in KH2. However, there a couple of points I would like to touch on.

A lot of people seem to hate damsels in distress, because they're over done more than anything. But is an over-used cliche really reason enough to hate that individual character? I can understand being annoyed by it, but it's not as if those characters knowingly say 'Let's jump on the damsel in distress wagon' it's more a fault to be held against the game designers. Then you have those that hate the damsel in distress types simply for being weak. But is it really realistic to expect every female to be a strong, gung-ho kind of character? There's a need for weaker characters, too, like it or not. These characters will often have something that gives them an advantage over stronger characters, as well. It could be that they are kinder, more persistant, or perhaps better at dealing with crisises of the heart. Now this isn't neccesarily in defense of Kairi, but as a general statement on the 'damsel in distress' stereo type, from someone that gets kind of tired of hearing them put down simply for being human, and thus, being fallible in a more outwardly visible respect.

Now, for something more Kairi-oriented. Yes, it did seem like she cast aside Riku in favor of Sora, but I'd like to try and give a little insight to her statement on leaving Riku behind. Mere specualtion, of course. Kairi was reluctant to leave, but seemed to be putting on a brave and willing face because she knew it was what her two friends wanted. Of the two, Riku was the one hell-bent on leaving, and didn't seem to care whether or not he ever got back. Kairi, at one point, expresses her desire to return, on the other hand. Perhaps she was frightened by Riku's determination, and was worried that while traveling with Riku, she might not make it back? She mentions that Riku has changed, so this seems plausible. Of course we know that she fancied Sora more, and perhaps she felt safer and more assured leaving with him than with Riku. For someone that cared so much about Kairi, it's funny that Riku didn't seem to notice her fear or reluctance at all, isn't it?

Then, on the idea that Riku could just as easily have returned Sora from the darkness as Kairi... I have to disagree with this. Sora's returning to normal had less to do with Kairi calling his name, and more to do simply with who she was to him, and how she embraced him, willing to use herself to protect him. On the other hand, however, Riku had recently battled against Sora. At that moment in time, there was major wedge between the two. They had taken different paths that pitted them against each other, and at least for the moment left a scar upon their friendship. While they forgave each other later, at that time, Riku calling for him may not have worked. Also, Riku himself had fallen into the darkness at this point. If two people have fallen into a well, too deep to climb out, then one person within cannot pull the other out, can he? It would take someone reaching down from the top. At least, that's how I look at it.
Great points Raion! whee

When it comes to the damsel in distress thing, I agree with you. Disliking a character solely based on that stereotype isn't fair. But how they react in situations does matter to me. Kairi was a far too willing damsel when she wasn't in a coma. She liked to be fought over and protected. She acknowledges far too easily that she is a damsel. It's this kind of damsel that I can't stand. (Another type would be the wreckless Rinoa type, but I could write a book on her, so let's move on.) The damsel that I don't mind is one like Princess Garnet. She needed protecting, but she made HUGE sacrifices and efforts to protect everyone she came in contact with. She cared about everyone, not just her love interest. She had a strength that Kairi really seemed to lack.

As for the scenes on Destiny Island. I never got the impression that Kairi was afraid. In fact, she says to Sora, "Once we set sail, it'll be great!" Sora remembers this line, because it clearly says to him that this is something Kairi wants as much as he does. And when Kairi says Riku has changed, Sora seems to disagree, saying that *she* has changed when she brings up the scenario of leaving Riku behind. So if she did feel any fear, then neither boy saw it. But even if she did like Sora more, Riku was still her friend, and she should have cared a little more for him. Especially in the end, when the last time she saw him, he was defending her with the last of his strength.

And you make some good points in your last paragraph. My main point about Sora is that he cares deeply for all of his friends. This is why he left Kairi on the island and went out for two more years in search of Riku. I think he'd feel them and hear them calling to him, no matter who it was. 3nodding But yea... it doesn't help if they are both stuck in the darkness. >.>;
I was kind of hoping Sora and Riku would get together, but I doubt that would happen.

Lots of people would be like "HONOES! Homosexuality!"

Hmph.

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