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Do you agree to the new rules of this thread and promise to uphold them if we are moved back? (Read first post, first page)

I agree.	67.0%	[ 260 ]
I disagree.	6.2%	[ 24 ]
I don't want to read them.	8.0%	[ 31 ]
Who cares?	2.6%	[ 10 ]
Gold.	16.2%	[ 63 ]
Total Votes:			[ 388 ]

[Siletta]

For the Rose is a Beautiful Flower

Syndactyly

Gender is fluid, so is sex. The binary is a load of crap. But people stuck within the binary sometimes can't see that. I can't make them open their eyes.

None is so blind as he who refuses to see.
I can't understand what it's like to be one of the two binary genders.
I just can't think that way.
Sure my body is female,
and I accept people thinking of me that way,
and referring to me that way,
at least most of the time,
simply because it's simpler.

I'd probably feel somewhat different if I lived in a place where male and female roles were more strict.
But I don't, I live in a city with a large LGBT community.
The people I tend to socialize treat people as people.

I accept that some people are strongly male or female,
but as I myself am something that doesn't fit the binary view of gender I'm only able to understand it on an intellectual level.

A Beautiful Flower with Thorns

[Syndactyly]

se revolter

well...
i can't be completely open minded, but i'm not closed minded. i do accept that you identify yourself as a male, just like i would accept someone who wished to be called Bob instead of Steve. but anything deeper than that is my own ignorance and the way i was brought up in this world as to what is normal and what defies nature. i can't reach pass that wall, just like some people refuse to believe in a higher power such as god. but i will accept you, so there's no need to open my eyes.

Thing is, it is no longer ignorance once you know it. You're choosing to continue to be ignorant. And when a person choses to be ignorant, that's stupid. >_>;

You don't truly accept transgender people if all you can think is, "It has a v****a, it's really a woman, but I will humor it and call it a man."

[Syndactyly]

Siletta

For the Rose is a Beautiful Flower

Syndactyly

Gender is fluid, so is sex. The binary is a load of crap. But people stuck within the binary sometimes can't see that. I can't make them open their eyes.

None is so blind as he who refuses to see.
I can't understand what it's like to be one of the two binary genders.
I just can't think that way.
Sure my body is female,
and I accept people thinking of me that way,
and referring to me that way,
at least most of the time,
simply because it's simpler.

I'd probably feel somewhat different if I lived in a place where male and female roles were more strict.
But I don't, I live in a city with a large LGBT community.
The people I tend to socialize treat people as people.

I accept that some people are strongly male or female,
but as I myself am something that doesn't fit the binary view of gender I'm only able to understand it on an intellectual level.

A Beautiful Flower with Thorns

I definitely identify as a man, and resent the hell out of my body for putting me in this position.

Being in a place with a lot of LGBT people is really nice. I lived in a town where most of the population was gay men. And seriously, they were accepting. Yeah, a lot of them wouldn't have sex with me BECAUSE of my anatomy, but they'd still completely respect my gender identity, as far as I could tell. But there were some who would "call" me a man but not really "see" me as one. I've accepted this is something I will run into for the rest of my life, I cannot do anything to change it, I hate it and it makes me suicidal but if I think this life is worth it I will try to look past it.

[Sitaris]

se revolter

Sitaris

se revolter

if i've been told correctly. females who wish to trans into a male still can not have reassignment surgery for their genitals, which means they won't have a fully functioning p***s. without that missing puzzle piece i honestly don't see the point of having a sex change at all. you might as well just become a lesbian or bisexual who is more so like the opposite sex. there's so many risk with having a sex change, and i just don't think it's worth it if you'll always have a v****a.

While I can see the pitfalls of essentially mutilating your genitalia, the argument is pretty much moot. If it makes them happy to have a p***s, even a non-functioning one, then more the power to them. I wish just having a p***s made me happy. (I mean, sometimes it does, but... nevermind.)

Anyway, female SRS is wayyy less risky than male SRS in pretty much every way. Never mind the surgical risks, have you ever met a man who chopped off his ding-dong and then decided he wanted to be a man again? Not pretty.

i honestly don't know much about sex changes. i just don't believe you can actually change sex though. i respect anyone who wishes to be referred as the opposite gender from what they really are, but i refuse to believe that they actually are that gender. if you know what i mean?

Are you sure you know the difference between sex and gender? That's kind of a big difference, especially when we're talking transexuals.

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Sitaris

se revolter

if i've been told correctly. females who wish to trans into a male still can not have reassignment surgery for their genitals, which means they won't have a fully functioning p***s. without that missing puzzle piece i honestly don't see the point of having a sex change at all. you might as well just become a lesbian or bisexual who is more so like the opposite sex. there's so many risk with having a sex change, and i just don't think it's worth it if you'll always have a v****a.

While I can see the pitfalls of essentially mutilating your genitalia, the argument is pretty much moot. If it makes them happy to have a p***s, even a non-functioning one, then more the power to them. I wish just having a p***s made me happy. (I mean, sometimes it does, but... nevermind.)

Anyway, female SRS is wayyy less risky than male SRS in pretty much every way. Never mind the surgical risks, have you ever met a man who chopped off his ding-dong and then decided he wanted to be a man again? Not pretty.

I don't necessarily agree with this. Female-to-male SRS is just as risky. You can't get a normal v****a back either, especially if you've had a hystorectomy and had the v****a closed up. Some transmen even have the v****a completely removed, but that's a risky procedure. I personally would like mine removed, but that might not be an option. Usually only the uterus, ovaries, and cervix are removed, the v****a fused shut.

Yeah, I suppose you're right. Having entire internal organs is some pretty serious business. I've just never really met a transman who regretted their decision.

[se revolter]

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se revolter

well...
i can't be completely open minded, but i'm not closed minded. i do accept that you identify yourself as a male, just like i would accept someone who wished to be called Bob instead of Steve. but anything deeper than that is my own ignorance and the way i was brought up in this world as to what is normal and what defies nature. i can't reach pass that wall, just like some people refuse to believe in a higher power such as god. but i will accept you, so there's no need to open my eyes.

Thing is, it is no longer ignorance once you know it. You're choosing to continue to be ignorant. And when a person choses to be ignorant, that's stupid. >_>;

You don't truly accept transgender people if all you can think is, "It has a v****a, it's really a woman, but I will humor it and call it a man."

no i'm sorry i don't know.
i hardly know anything about transgendered people and sex changes i just said that. i could read more into if it meant more to me, but what you do is up to you. i came by to state my opinion and to see if i was correct on females not being able to have a fully functioning p***s if they wish to be male.

"it has a v****a, it's really a woman" yes dear, that's usually how the textbook goes. you've just brainwashed yourself to think otherwise. i call it respect, i don't call it humoring you. i don't see how i'm being ignorant either. you slam down your "logic" and 'facts" on anyone who thinks otherwise of you. i've yet to do that to you or anyone else in this thread. i accept you for whatever you wish to be but my mind can only extend so far. everyone judges, and i can't help but do that myself. so really you're the only one being ignorant for not being able to accept that someone may think differently than you do.

[GaijinGuy36]

se revolter

Sitaris

se revolter

if i've been told correctly. females who wish to trans into a male still can not have reassignment surgery for their genitals, which means they won't have a fully functioning p***s. without that missing puzzle piece i honestly don't see the point of having a sex change at all. you might as well just become a lesbian or bisexual who is more so like the opposite sex. there's so many risk with having a sex change, and i just don't think it's worth it if you'll always have a v****a.

While I can see the pitfalls of essentially mutilating your genitalia, the argument is pretty much moot. If it makes them happy to have a p***s, even a non-functioning one, then more the power to them. I wish just having a p***s made me happy. (I mean, sometimes it does, but... nevermind.)

Anyway, female SRS is wayyy less risky than male SRS in pretty much every way. Never mind the surgical risks, have you ever met a man who chopped off his ding-dong and then decided he wanted to be a man again? Not pretty.

i honestly don't know much about sex changes. i just don't believe you can actually change sex though. i respect anyone who wishes to be referred as the opposite gender from what they really are, but i refuse to believe that they actually are that gender. if you know what i mean?

Someone has obviously never heard of gender dysphoria.

[Siletta]

For the Rose is a Beautiful Flower

I've come to accept that my mental me and my physical me don't match.
There's nothing I can do to make them match,
and I've come to accept this.
Which isn't to say I never feel uncomfortable in this body,
or wish I could be closer physically to what I am psychologically.

I hope one day you can come to accept that which you can not change.
some things you will never like,
but if you can accept them they don't hurt quite so much.

A Beautiful Flower with Thorns

[Breayue]

I did mention there were more reasons in one of my posts. One the crappy day when I said my fiance wasn't the only reason and that I was on the time limit the day I posted if he weren't attached to my breasts and that it was my fault for not explaining the whole thing.
The removing of nipples made me shudder for a moment.

I haven't been officially diagnosed with GID yet, I need to visit a therapist for that and a couple other reasons.
I identify myself as both genders, male over female though, if that makes sense.I tried explaining before. I would be most happy to be identified as a male to most of the general public, for those who have known me in my personal life may identify me as either or. I'm a very understanding when it comes to that. People have known me as female for almost 19 years now, I won't demand or expect them to refer me as a he 24/7 out of nowhere. So long as I feel physicallly aligned with what I feel inside, its cool.

And the whole parent thing...My child may refer me as who ever they wish. Mama, Papa, Spazzy..won't matter. My maternalness will be much stronger than being faternal though.

Syndactyly

See, taking testosterone would make your body more accurately described as "middlesex." The v****a does not make the woman, the p***s does not make the man.

-tilts head- Is that a scientific term? What do you classify one as being male or female then?

EDIT-rereads-

Ah, I see.

[Siletta]

For the Rose is a Beautiful Flower

@se revolter brainwashing has nothing to do with how we feel.
The truth is that who we are mentally, does not match who we are physically.
Some people go to greater lengths than others to change their body to match than others.
How many people do you really think would choose to go through with this if it wasn't serious?

Unfortunately I need to get some sleep.
I have to get up in the morning.
Good night everyone.

A Beautiful Flower with Thorns

[Syndactyly]

Sitaris

Yeah, I suppose you're right. Having entire internal organs is some pretty serious business. I've just never really met a transman who regretted their decision.

That's because we live in a patriarchal society. p***s > v****a.

Yeah, it's ******** up.

[grasscutter]

Hello sorry I disappeared, my internet died gonk

Welcome Sitaris! I don't know what I want to be for Halloween, I got part of my costume when I went home from college, but I forgot it at home, and home is 589 miles away xp I'll figure it out though, Halloween is my favorite holiday too smile

And Mosaic you should totally post that picture! I'm gonna post a pic of my mohawk when I find somewhere I can take a pic to upload.

[Syndactyly]

se revolter

Syndactyly

se revolter

well...
i can't be completely open minded, but i'm not closed minded. i do accept that you identify yourself as a male, just like i would accept someone who wished to be called Bob instead of Steve. but anything deeper than that is my own ignorance and the way i was brought up in this world as to what is normal and what defies nature. i can't reach pass that wall, just like some people refuse to believe in a higher power such as god. but i will accept you, so there's no need to open my eyes.

Thing is, it is no longer ignorance once you know it. You're choosing to continue to be ignorant. And when a person choses to be ignorant, that's stupid. >_>;

You don't truly accept transgender people if all you can think is, "It has a v****a, it's really a woman, but I will humor it and call it a man."

no i'm sorry i don't know.
i hardly know anything about transgendered people and sex changes i just said that. i could read more into if it meant more to me, but what you do is up to you. i came by to state my opinion and to see if i was correct on females not being able to have a fully functioning p***s if they wish to be male.

"it has a v****a, it's really a woman" yes dear, that's usually how the textbook goes. you've just brainwashed yourself to think otherwise. i call it respect, i don't call it humoring you. i don't see how i'm being ignorant either. you slam down your "logic" and 'facts" on anyone who thinks otherwise of you. i've yet to do that to you or anyone else in this thread. i accept you for whatever you wish to be but my mind can only extend so far. everyone judges, and i can't help but do that myself. so really you're the only one being ignorant for not being able to accept that someone may think differently than you do.

The textbook is wrong. Please don't call me dear, it's condescending. "Woman" is a gendered term. Trusting the textbook is an appeal to authority logical fallacy. Learn to think for yourself.

No, you're the one that's been brainwashed to think sex can only be male and female, and that sex cannot be changed. Those two things are completely false, and if you wish I will enlighten you.

Yes, you are being ignorant, and what I am stating is fact. Putting quotes around it doesn't make it not so. You don't like the facts, but that doesn't mean they aren't true. You are being closed minded.

And hello pot, calling the kettle black on that last comment.

[Syndactyly]

Siletta

For the Rose is a Beautiful Flower

I've come to accept that my mental me and my physical me don't match.
There's nothing I can do to make them match,
and I've come to accept this.
Which isn't to say I never feel uncomfortable in this body,
or wish I could be closer physically to what I am psychologically.

I hope one day you can come to accept that which you can not change.
some things you will never like,
but if you can accept them they don't hurt quite so much.

A Beautiful Flower with Thorns

I can never be 100% whole in body and mind. But I am not going to say, "Oh well" and just leave my body female. That would be stupid, in my opinion. See, I identify as a man. I can get much closer to being a man. I can be a man in every respect except my genitals, which can be masculinized. See, when a man is born with a very small p***s, people still consider him a man. Why is it that if I have my clitoris surgically altered into a very small p***s that I am not a man? People say it is because I wasn't born that way. Well, you weren't born an adult, were you? Weren't born 5 feet tall, guess you can't be then, right? Sex changes. It changes in many species. Just because we artificially bring about the sex change in humans does not mean the change has not happened. It is unnatural, but it has happened.

I would rather be "80% male" than "100% female." And that's what I'm doing. Only the people who are intimate with me need to know about my genitals. I make an exception on the internet because no one here knows me personally, I also don't mind other transsexuals knowing about it. But I'd rather be perceived as male in most situations than female in all situations. Sex and having a "real p***s" is such a small part of the picture, such a small part of being a man.

I hope that I can accept what I cannot change. But I am gonna change what I can.

[se revolter]

not the pot calling the kettle black. i'm not the one claiming that what i'm saying is fact, i'm merely stating my opinions. and sure if that makes me ignorant, so be it. i'm content with not knowing in depths what this crazy world has come up with to change nature. because it IS defying nature, you know. there is no middle ground, really, between male and female. there's always something that makes you more female than male or vise versa. this i know, is a fact.

[Syndactyly]

Breayue

I did mention there were more reasons in one of my posts. One the crappy day when I said my fiance wasn't the only reason and that I was on the time limit the day I posted if he weren't attached to my breasts and that it was my fault for not explaining the whole thing.
The removing of nipples made me shudder for a moment.

I haven't been officially diagnosed with GID yet, I need to visit a therapist for that and a couple other reasons.
I identify myself as both genders, male over female though, if that makes sense.I tried explaining before. I would be most happy to be identified as a male to most of the general public, for those who have known me in my personal life may identify me as either or. I'm a very understanding when it comes to that. People have known me as female for almost 19 years now, I won't demand or expect them to refer me as a he 24/7 out of nowhere. So long as I feel physicallly aligned with what I feel inside, its cool.

And the whole parent thing...My child may refer me as who ever they wish. Mama, Papa, Spazzy..won't matter. My maternalness will be much stronger than being faternal though.

Yes, if you are having a double-mastectomy, the nipples are temporarily removed and then grafted back on. They can also be resized if yours are "too big," although that's mostly a matter of stereotype, I've seen men with nipples of all sizes.

If you identify as both genders, the sex change might be a less sensitive issue for you, and it would be easier to compromise with your boyfriend and keep your female body. I was under the impression you fully identified as male.

Thing is, I was known as female for 18 years, but that didn't stop me from announcing my new name and new preferred pronouns. We all have to "change suddenly" at some point if we want to change at all.

Breayue

Syndactyly

See, taking testosterone would make your body more accurately described as "middlesex." The v****a does not make the woman, the p***s does not make the man.

-tilts head- Is that a scientific term? What do you classify one as being male or female then?

EDIT-rereads-

Ah, I see.

I put it in quotes because it is not an official term, but it describes the condition well. Technically I am not intersex because that is a birth condition. So I like to use the term "middlesex."

Yes, genitals do not make the man or woman. Sex classification is far more complicated than, "It has a p***s, it's a boy!" Now, this is what they do when the child is born. Because in most cases, yes, if it has a p***s it is a boy. But there are people with penises that have XX chromosomes, that identify as female, that have high levels of estrogen, etc.