What exactly is wrong with sex at a young age?

[Nyxelestia]

Crystallia Sacura

Nyxelestia

I was just wondering:

There's all this concern about having sex at young ages.

(I'm not talking about extremes like 10-12) but for some reason, people are shocked at the ages people lose their Virginity, like 15 or 13.

If someone's consenting and practicing safe sex, then what's what's the problem?

I'm going to be honest and say that yes, I'm 14. AND I'll admit that I, personally, am not ready for sex. But I know plenty of people my age who aren't Virgins. They were consenting, they were safe, and none of them are 'emotionally traumatized'.

What's the problem? I want to know. I'm open to any argument.

(P.S. - I DON'T, however, want to hear anything about no sex before marriage, ESPECIALLY not backed-up with the Bible. I'm an Atheist.)

I don't understand what you mean "safe sex" is that unoral sex? It doesn't matter sex is sex. People who have sex at a young age are ignorant, irresponsible, and just incredibly stupid. Love, what is love? I love you or your hot bod? It makes me sick to death when I see little 6th graders wear all these prositute clothing and mini-skirts and all this other junk that hookers wear. And their parents actually let them do this!! Maybe, they don't realize they are ruining their lives. I already had "the talk" with my parents. I understand completely how to tell what a guy really like me for. I want to thank you for bring up this subject. It really let's people think.

All right, two things:

One - why? Why are people who have sex at a young age incredibly stupid? I'll listen, so long as you have a good argument to back you up.

Two - love and sex aren't always related/connected. It all depends on the people to attach emotions to it.

[Zakuro_DragonFire]

Kosher_Krackers

Zakuro_DragonFire

so ur athiest thats funny, u may not belive in it, but i kno were ur goin...just hope u change ur mind, glad ur a virgin still, sex is a pressious gift, dont worry i wont flip out the bible, but if u practice sex like a sport than when u do get married, wahts so special bout it. those who practice it, may just get married, & some ppl might not b as "good" as others, so wats the point? sex is somthing that is 4 pleasure, & wat pleasure do u get when u have already had it so many times, & theres no point in marrying a person just because they are "good in bed" because than u wont like them 4 them,so when u get married, u will not actually b marrying the pesonn, u will be marring the joy u get, & it wont last... but if u save it, than it will b pressious, to have it w/ the person u treasure & that is most valuable to u... &* there will b pleasure which is the point

Well I'm glad you know where I'm going, because all this time I thought I was going through life on my own decisions, rather than blindly following a book, thanks for the heads up.

Moving on, about your point about the supposed devaluing of sex outside of a loving relationship, I have only to say that physical intimacy does not equal emotional intimacy unless you make that connection yourself, and I tell you now, not everyone does.

Sex is something you can have with anyone, reserving it for marriage and marriage alone is like exclusively drinking the overly expensive bottled water you insist is so much better than everything, anyone can possess it, and it's just water.

I however, place far more value in emotional intimacy, it's a far rarer thing, and can certainly not be shared with everyone.

So go ahead and attach your precious emotions to something you can have with anyone if you wish, but who are you to tell me what sex is in my opinion and who it is to be reserved for?

ah, but im not blindly following a book, i am going based on my own desisions,
i decided to follow God, & i got confused in my waalk, so , he gave me the step by step book & now i get things better & have never regreted reading it, because i kno that i will have a much happieer, more progressed life

ur right every one can have,it, & thats there own choice, im saying, that its only a pysical action, but why do u do it?...wat do u do, jsut go pull down a girls pants & do it & walk away, wat is the point unless there is actually a reason, which would be attatching emotion...
& why have it over and over, & make it boring? (water after water after water)
when u could do it w/ the person u want to spend ur whole life w/
(soda soda soda,) so much better,
& when u put the emotionall intamacy & physical entamacy togath, = wine wine wine, shich is the best u get..
& im not telling u how to live ur life, & im not the one to tell u, im just debating like u. so plz dont go acusing me of somthing im clearly not doing.

point 1:nothing is better than temporary happyness
point 2: ETERNAL happyness is better than nothing
conclusion: eternal happyness is better than temporary happyness

[Nearly Headless Sarah]

SEX. CHANGES. EVERYTHING.
And most "tweens" can't handle that.
And, virginity really is something you only have once.
Whether you're spiritual or not, doing something for the first time, is almost always difficult, or at least life altering.

The first time I jumped off a swing I got a really bad nose bleed.
Sex is kinda like that, whether or not your first time is amazing, messy, awkward, or magical.
It changes something in you.
You can never have sex for the first time again.

And should a twelve year old deal with all those feelings?
No, they should stick to jumping off things.
It hurts a lot less.

[Elena_turk]

Because kids are stupid and hormonal. They think they can take the consequences of sex, but in all truth... Their brains are not developed enough to take the consequences nor make the decision... Plus it raises the chances of killing an innocent baby, just because of a 'mistake'.

[The Keeper of Truth]

xyre_silverfangs

The Keeper of Truth

xyre_silverfangs said:

What the church taught during The Dark Ages was indeed a mass manipulation. The concept of no sex before marriage was taught because back then there were no contraceptives, so the only way to stop the spread of disease was to only ever have sex with one person in your entire lifetime. In order to establish that, the ritual of marriage in front of people was created. Before that, people simply stayed faithful to one and other because they wanted to. But, instead of saying that STDs were dangerous they decided to label sex without marriage as a sin, an act against God and that is where the lies and the manipulation of the public at large takes place.

But, today we have contraceptives, we have many ways to prevent unwanted pregnancy and the spread of STDs, so that practice is no longer needed. Now, people can still get married, so the gov't says that they're legally a family and can be on the same health plan ect ect. Now, Marriage is more about unfair prenuptial agreements, good health insurance, and money. Before it was about commitment and love... But the gov't, divorce court, and popular religion have long since corrupted its original meaning..

Okay, there are a few glaring flaws in that last sentence. You just said that the original purpose of marriage was disease control, not anything emotional at all.

And you're really giving me the impression you don't know what you're talking about. STDs didn't come into Europe until after the Great Crusades. And even then, nobody had any idea how people contracted them. Besides, there were marriage ceremonies in almost every civilization on Earth, including those who weren't Catholic, and a few of them thought it was wrong to sleep with someone other than one's spouse, like most Native American cultures

You're also basically saying that because the government has given people benefits to marriage, it's completely worthless. Complete nonsense. Marriage is only worthless to people who marry because their spouse is rich, and will leave them when they drain a bank account or two. You have no ground to stand on here, buddy.

If you throw a stone into a pond, there are going to be some ripples. This is known as cause and effect. Cause: The Church causes Marriage to become impersonal by making less about the individuals and more about a promise to God. Effect: Marriage becomes a burden, and for some it even becomes intolerable, but their promise to God forces them to be held fast to a commitment that they don't even want to be part of anymore. This leads to extreme bitterness, and a total lack of peace and love. It filters down to the children and even though they're totally innocent they also become impacted by the unhappiness.

I understand that people were getting Married before the mainstream came around. Before the gov't stepped in and impersonalized it by reducing vows to a mere sheet of paper. And, then supreme court stepped in and made divorce PROFITABLE. Before all of the popular religion, and political bullshit marriage was indeed meaningful. People vowed lifelong commitment to one and other because they loved each other and nothing else. It was not diluted by pseudo-religious garbage, and meaningless legalities.

Think: What other "Benefit" should marriage provide other then the benefit of spending your life with the person you love?

At any rate, this thread is MEANT to be about early teen sex and not the spiritual-political atrocity that marriage has become. So, lets get back to that shall we?

stare Notice how he didn't say anything about the points I made. AT ALL. Now, this is what intelligent people call the 'aversion tactic'; you basically say "Thank you for bringing up that point, and now I'm going to say something completely irrelevent, change the subject, and hope no one notices." If any of you reading this are thinking about going into politics, remember this: it doesn't work.

Given the context of the conversation, what you're saying doesn't make any sense at all.

You say that vows have been reduced "to a mere sheet of paper." Given the right couple, no, it hasn't. The paper is just along for the ride.

And about Supreme Court making divorce profitable, it's really only profitable for lawyers. The little bit of profit that goes to the defunct couple goes to them because one probably has relied on the income of the other, and child support isn't going to cover everything.

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Think: What other "Benefit" should marriage provide other then the benefit of spending your life with the person you love?

This is the part that astounds me the most. So a few benefits have come with marriage? SO WHAT?! If the couple really loves each other then those are just added bonuses. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're basically saying that just because those benefits are there, then every single marriage is worthless? Am I the only one who sees the dozens of holes in that line of thinking?

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At any rate, this thread is MEANT to be about early teen sex and not the spiritual-political atrocity that marriage has become. So, lets get back to that shall we?

As I said earlier to Kosher, anything and everything can be used for a purpose other than for the orginal one. I'll get back to the subject when you actually adress the points I made before about your hole-riddled argument.

[Zakuro_DragonFire]

Elena_turk

Because kids are stupid and hormonal. They think they can take the consequences of sex, but in all truth... Their brains are not developed enough to take the consequences nor make the decision... Plus it raises the chances of killing an innocent baby, just because of a 'mistake'.

why should a bayby who has no say anything u do to it die because u were to foolish to relize wat u were doing
ppl, grow up, have some sence, be mature, think things thrught, be 2 steps ahead of the person whos asking u. do wat u want, but make sure u wont regret it

[Crystallia Sacura]

Kosher_Krackers

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Do you not know why having sex at an early age is irresponsible? It's quite obvious. Do you think a 14 year old has time to deal with a kid, if she becomes pregnant? Do you think people are going to deal with their education if they are too involved with their bf or gf?

I think a single mother of 32 working a double shift doesn't have time to deal with a kid, that doesn't mean I think it ought be illegal for her to have one.


There's a difference between thinking something's stupid, and when we're talking about the law, the legality of something, basing those decisions on a personal opinion, rather than a logical opinion, is rather irresponsible in and of itself.
That is off topic. I'm talking about teenagers, not a single mother of 32.

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Is it always? Explain to me prostitutes and strippers.

I'll clarify with a simple mathematical formula of sorts.

"Sex is only about love when you make it so", is not equal to, "sex is only about love"
Well, it should be universal. Do you agree?

My statement was that the emotional attachment to sex is personal, not universal.

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They aren't? It is filthy and gross. It only seduces people. And they should feel guilt.

Oh? They should now?

While we're at it, why don't we mock and humiliate obese people for not having the discipline to deal with their situation.

Suddenly not such a pretty idea when you apply the same logic to a different circumstance is it?
Unfortunately I don't mock or humiliate people. I just critize their unwise actions. You can probably see me prove my point in that one obese post.

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I'm just saying some people don't know what sex is about. They only use it for pleasure and that is one of the many things that make people want to have sex at an early age.

And your opinion became valuable enough to force people to live by it, when exactly?

Sex may or may not be about pleasure, depending upon the views and feelings of the individuals involved, your view on what sex is or is not, is not fact, it's opinion, nothing more.

This is my opinion. You may have yours. I might not agree with you but I will still respect it. And what you said "sex may be or may not be about pleasure" doesn't make any sense. Why would people have sex then? Can't it be about love and pleasure at the same time?

[Kosher_Krackers]

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ah, but im not blindly following a book, i am going based on my own desisions,
i decided to follow God, & i got confused in my waalk, so , he gave me the step by step book & now i get things better & have never regreted reading it, because i kno that i will have a much happieer, more progressed life

Ah, but you are, let me explain why.

You believe god exists, to you, he absolutely does, I can accept that, I won't argue the point, I'm not here to debate whether or not god exists, however, you cannot prove that he does.

Belief is not equal to proof, feeling is not equal to fact, knowing is not equal to proving.

As such all you have is belief and opinion, I may well believe that there's a barbershop quartet outside my door, I can't see it, but I can hear something, does that mean I'm absolutely irrevocably right in my conclusion?

And if all you have is belief, with no concrete evidence, then it is blind, I don't doubt your conviction, but you blindly believe god exists, and such, you follow his rules, hence, blindly following.

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ur right every one can have,it, & thats there own choice, im saying, that its only a pysical action, but why do u do it?...wat do u do, jsut go pull down a girls pants & do it & walk away, wat is the point unless there is actually a reason, which would be attatching emotion...

Is pleasure not enough of a reason?

It certainly is for me, if it's not for you, that's fine also, but kindly don't legislate your opinion on behalf of people who don't agree.

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& why have it over and over, & make it boring? (water after water after water)
when u could do it w/ the person u want to spend ur whole life w/
(soda soda soda,) so much better,
& when u put the emotionall intamacy & physical entamacy togath, = wine wine wine, shich is the best u get.

It's not boring, I eat everyday, a variety of foods, flavours, and textures keep it enjoyable, rather than mulling over each mouthful as if the mundane everyday event it truly is.

Since when has variety been boring? You're the one engaging in an act with no variety.

Secondly, if you find it better to enjoy physical intimacy solely with who you love, your choice, nothing wrong with that, my stance however is that people ought to be able to make their own choices about such things, and I don't assume my own personal opinion on intercourse to have anymore value than that, it's mine, it's personal, it's neither superior, nor inferior.

Yet, you're here claiming that all is improved if people view things your way... Now I've no problem with you voicing an opinion and discussing things, but we're here to discuss whether or not it's right or wrong, as such, personal opinion doesn't particularly matter unless grounded in logic.

My logic is as follows, if people attach emotions to it, let them do so, let them wait, if people don't, let them do so, don't make them wait, people ought be allowed to make their own mistakes.

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& im not telling u how to live ur life, & im not the one to tell u, im just debating like u. so plz dont go acusing me of somthing im clearly not doing.

You state your opinion as fact, I state mine as logically apt, now if I'm misinterpreting for whatever reason, then, my apologies, but when someone says to me "this is so much better when you do it my way", I instantly assume they mean that, rather than if they said "In my opinion, things are better if this, this, and this, because of this, that, and the other."

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point 1:nothing is better than temporary happyness
point 2: ETERNAL happyness is better than nothing
conclusion: eternal happyness is better than temporary happyness

As eternal happiness is unproven, I'd rather spend my money on an extra can of Red Bull, than buy a lottery ticket and hope.

[Kosher_Krackers]

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This is my opinion. You may have yours. I might not agree with you but I will still respect it. And what you said "sex may be or may not be about pleasure" doesn't make any sense. Why would people have sex then? Can't it be about love and pleasure at the same time?

Indeed, but who's to say it is?

If someone in their early teens is stupid for something something purely because it feels good, why is not the adult that does the same?

My point is that it's stupid in your opinion, nothing more, why should people have to suffer due to what you think?

And to remind you.

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And they should feel guilt.

You do indeed believe they shuold suffer.

[Crystallia Sacura]

Kosher_Krackers

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This is my opinion. You may have yours. I might not agree with you but I will still respect it. And what you said "sex may be or may not be about pleasure" doesn't make any sense. Why would people have sex then? Can't it be about love and pleasure at the same time?

Indeed, but who's to say it is?

If someone in their early teens is stupid for something something purely because it feels good, why is not the adult that does the same?

My point is that it's stupid in your opinion, nothing more, why should people have to suffer due to what you think?

And to remind you.

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And they should feel guilt.

You do indeed believe they shuold suffer.

I am one to say it is. If I may ask, have you ever had sex? Do you know what it's like? Unless you have you don't know. I am merely guessing because I have not had intercourse.
I am saying it is different with adults because they have lived longer than teens, and you would expect them to be wiser. Of course, some adults don't get wiser, but that is what you would expect. When you come to think about it, it all depends on the person. The character that you made up is nothing more than fiction. If you were to take an actual person, it might sound more believeable.
Did I say people should suffer? Do you even know what suffering is? I am not making people suffer, the stupid ones have already done that to themselves. I am critizing them. Do you know what critizing is???

[Zakuro_DragonFire]

Kosher_Krackers

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ah, but im not blindly following a book, i am going based on my own desisions,
i decided to follow God, & i got confused in my waalk, so , he gave me the step by step book & now i get things better & have never regreted reading it, because i kno that i will have a much happieer, more progressed life

Ah, but you are, let me explain why.

You believe god exists, to you, he absolutely does, I can accept that, I won't argue the point, I'm not here to debate whether or not god exists, however, you cannot prove that he does.

Belief is not equal to proof, feeling is not equal to fact, knowing is not equal to proving.

As such all you have is belief and opinion, I may well believe that there's a barbershop quartet outside my door, I can't see it, but I can hear something, does that mean I'm absolutely irrevocably right in my conclusion?

And if all you have is belief, with no concrete evidence, then it is blind, I don't doubt your conviction, but you blindly believe god exists, and such, you follow his rules, hence, blindly following.

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ur right every one can have,it, & thats there own choice, im saying, that its only a pysical action, but why do u do it?...wat do u do, jsut go pull down a girls pants & do it & walk away, wat is the point unless there is actually a reason, which would be attatching emotion...

Is pleasure not enough of a reason?

It certainly is for me, if it's not for you, that's fine also, but kindly don't legislate your opinion on behalf of people who don't agree.

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& why have it over and over, & make it boring? (water after water after water)
when u could do it w/ the person u want to spend ur whole life w/
(soda soda soda,) so much better,
& when u put the emotionall intamacy & physical entamacy togath, = wine wine wine, shich is the best u get.

It's not boring, I eat everyday, a variety of foods, flavours, and textures keep it enjoyable, rather than mulling over each mouthful as if the mundane everyday event it truly is.

Since when has variety been boring? You're the one engaging in an act with no variety.

Secondly, if you find it better to enjoy physical intimacy solely with who you love, your choice, nothing wrong with that, my stance however is that people ought to be able to make their own choices about such things, and I don't assume my own personal opinion on intercourse to have anymore value than that, it's mine, it's personal, it's neither superior, nor inferior.

Yet, you're here claiming that all is improved if people view things your way... Now I've no problem with you voicing an opinion and discussing things, but we're here to discuss whether or not it's right or wrong, as such, personal opinion doesn't particularly matter unless grounded in logic.

My logic is as follows, if people attach emotions to it, let them do so, let them wait, if people don't, let them do so, don't make them wait, people ought be allowed to make their own mistakes.

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& im not telling u how to live ur life, & im not the one to tell u, im just debating like u. so plz dont go acusing me of somthing im clearly not doing.

You state your opinion as fact, I state mine as logically apt, now if I'm misinterpreting for whatever reason, then, my apologies, but when someone says to me "this is so much better when you do it my way", I instantly assume they mean that, rather than if they said "In my opinion, things are better if this, this, and this, because of this, that, and the other."

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point 1:nothing is better than temporary happyness
point 2: ETERNAL happyness is better than nothing
conclusion: eternal happyness is better than temporary happyness

As eternal happiness is unproven, I'd rather spend my money on an extra can of Red Bull, than buy a lottery ticket and hope.

i am not telling ppl wat to do, like u might think i am, sry that i wasnt clear. im going of my won morals & debating others so sry if im debating u like everyone else on this page, sry if i was trying to deiceve u, without actually trying, sry if i have an opinion & am voicing it.
sry that i dont have pure facts & that there are none, sry that im not using PURLEY lojic, but am using VARIATY, aka: lojic & english essay foundations,

& to kosher
ah, but wat do u belive, there is no facts no way to prove anything, no way to prove bodah, no way to prove evolutoin,,... but, i have more facts in my blind book, than any school text book will have & the text book that state a theory as law, w/ out actually proving it
there is no proff, that hevan & his barber shop are there, sry, but just because u cant see somthing, doesnt mean its not there,...like how i cant see kosher as a real person, & am only reading wat hes written & beliving that hes real & that he wrote this w/ good intentions, & yet we can also not see the wind, only the effects & we can feel them, but there are things that lojic cant always esplain.

but were not talking about that we are talking about morals... & i am only stating mine, not as fact but opinion, & even thought we as Christians do have a foundation book, we still have our own ideas of morals
u may have watever ur morals are, i dont care, im not trying to tell u urs is wrong,& im not saying that mine are right, just voicing mine & being criticized 4 my writing & thats ok ^^ we all do it!!!!
i would rather spened my money on a life, proven or not, than a red bull that would leave me unsaticfied & still questioning life

[Kosher_Krackers]

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I am one to say it is. If I may ask, have you ever had sex? Do you know what it's like? Unless you have you don't know. I am merely guessing because I have not had intercourse.

I fail to see how that's relevant, I view sex as purely physical, although I will openly admit to it being more fulfilling with a partner you share an emotional bond with.

Although, that's just my opinion, expecting others to abide by it is egocentric to say the least.

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When you come to think about it, it all depends on the person.

I think that's rather the point I'm trying to make, it depends upon the person, and yet you blanket all those below a certain age as incapable of deciding for themselves on the topic, just seems atad hypocritical when you can accept that people differ as they age, but expect those younger to conform to this uniformly ignorant ideal you've laid out in your mind.

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Did I say people should suffer? Do you even know what suffering is? I am not making people suffer, the stupid ones have already done that to themselves. I am critizing them. Do you know what critizing is???

Criticism - The act of passing judgement on the merit of an act.

Guilt - Feeling remorse and or responsibility for an act that is wrong in some way.

Remorse - Deep and painful regret for a wrongdoing.

My point is this, if a person believes themselves to be wrong purely because of criticism and or mockery from their peers, that is your responsibility, not theirs, if they feel they are wrong based on there own reflection of the act, then it's there responsibility.

When you take responsibility for dealing judgement, tread carefully, for it's a long way to fall from ones lofty perch where one can safely criticise those with opinions that differ from your own.

[Kosher_Krackers]

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i am not telling ppl wat to do, like u might think i am, sry that i wasnt clear. im going of my won morals & debating others so sry if im debating u like everyone else on this page, sry if i was trying to deiceve u, without actually trying, sry if i have an opinion & am voicing it.
sry that i dont have pure facts & that there are none, sry that im not using PURLEY lojic, but am using VARIATY, aka: lojic & english essay foundations,

& to kosher
ah, but wat do u belive, there is no facts no way to prove anything, no way to prove bodah, no way to prove evolutoin,,... but, i have more facts in my blind book, than any school text book will have & the text book that state a theory as law, w/ out actually proving it
there is no proff, that hevan & his barber shop are there, sry, but just because u cant see somthing, doesnt mean its not there,...like how i cant see kosher as a real person, & am only reading wat hes written & beliving that hes real & that he wrote this w/ good intentions, & yet we can also not see the wind, only the effects & we can feel them, but there are things that lojic cant always esplain.

but were not talking about that we are talking about morals... & i am only stating mine, not as fact but opinion, & even thought we as Christians do have a foundation book, we still have our own ideas of morals
u may have watever ur morals are, i dont care, im not trying to tell u urs is wrong,& im not saying that mine are right, just voicing mine & being criticized 4 my writing & thats ok ^^ we all do it!!!!
i would rather spened my money on a life, proven or not, than a red bull that would leave me unsaticfied & still questioning life

Haha, good response, in that respect I apologise if I caused any offence, I do respect your opinions on things, mine simply differ.

I wouldn't say either of us are right or wrong, but if we can agree that people shuold decide for themselves then despite obvious differences in opinion, we're not actually that far removed from each others ideals razz

[peacexbass]

Ebony_Anne

Teenagers want to have sex because their hormones are raging. They don't stop to think about what having sex actually means. There are many dangers with it.

1. IT'S AGAINST THE LAW
2. AIDS
3. STDs
4. Pregnancy

No teenager ever thinks about those things. They are just caught up in the moment and the fact it feels soo good etc.

Sex is not illegal between two teenagers. Unless one of them is not a teenager, and is in fact older than 18.

[Zakuro_DragonFire]

Kosher_Krackers

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i am not telling ppl wat to do, like u might think i am, sry that i wasnt clear. im going of my won morals & debating others so sry if im debating u like everyone else on this page, sry if i was trying to deiceve u, without actually trying, sry if i have an opinion & am voicing it.
sry that i dont have pure facts & that there are none, sry that im not using PURLEY lojic, but am using VARIATY, aka: lojic & english essay foundations,

(essay/lojic: if u state ur opinion as fact, it makes ur essay stronger, more beliveible & more intresting,
ex: i think that choclate is better than vinilla, but that is an opionion of mine
vs
ex 2: chocolate is better!,

tahn u get ur point across, & ppl dont shove it aside as an opinion,they take it as concrete that must be taken in , or debated

& to kosher
ah, but wat do u belive, there is no facts no way to prove anything, no way to prove bodah, no way to prove evolutoin,,... but, i have more facts in my blind book, than any school text book will have & the text book that state a theory as law, w/ out actually proving it
there is no proff, that hevan & his barber shop are there, sry, but just because u cant see somthing, doesnt mean its not there,...like how i cant see kosher as a real person, & am only reading wat hes written & beliving that hes real & that he wrote this w/ good intentions, & yet we can also not see the wind, only the effects & we can feel them, but there are things that lojic cant always esplain.

but were not talking about that we are talking about morals... & i am only stating mine, not as fact but opinion, & even thought we as Christians do have a foundation book, we still have our own ideas of morals
u may have watever ur morals are, i dont care, im not trying to tell u urs is wrong,& im not saying that mine are right, just voicing mine & being criticized 4 my writing & thats ok ^^ we all do it!!!!
i would rather spened my money on a life, proven or not, than a red bull that would leave me unsaticfied & still questioning life

Haha, good response, in that respect I apologise if I caused any offence, I do respect your opinions on things, mine simply differ.

I wouldn't say either of us are right or wrong, but if we can agree that people shuold decide for themselves then despite obvious differences in opinion, we're not actually that far removed from each others ideals razz

thats some thing i agree on u w/ ^^ thank u 4 debating me. i do think it is ppl choise & i respect urs very much.Thank u 4 complimenting my responce, this is the 1st time ive ever debated, so i thought & probly was doing porly & im sry if i didnt make sence or spoke rashly, & i hope that i didnt offend u, im not trying to make enimies,or am i trying to convert, the point of my side of the debate was to help make ppl think & i kno u sure did make me think ALOT. im glad 4 my 1st debate i was able to discuss w/ someone so educated in this subject. ^^ may i ask how old r u?