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It bothers me personally because I feel that sex should be practiced by those in love, and I don't believe that 13 or 15 years old are emotionally mature enough to be in romantic love. sad

i completely and totally disagree. no one can put an age one love. you can't help what age you are when you fall in love..


Love by itself maybe, but there is definately at least a minimum age for romantic love.
You cannot tell me that a 3 year old could possibly be romantically in love with someone else. They have all the capacity in the world for familial and platonic love, but not romantic.
As for the minimum age for romantic love, while I hesitate to place an exact year on it, I would wager that it's after the intense flooding of hormones that is puberty begins to wear off.
Some words you use are rather problematic. "Romantic"? "Familial"? "Platonic"?

I have a very complex philosophy on what love is, but... let's take into consideration the possibility that there is an underlying love that is universal throughout these different kinds of relationships. Could "familial" love really just be love with a higher degree of attachment and utilitarian parts thrown in there, along with some social taboo restrictions? Is "platonic" love really anything other than the same kind of love without sexual attraction (or to ask more precisely, is sexual attraction required for romantic love)? There's also a paradox in platonic love you might want to check out.

An interesting question: how is friendship different from love besides that it might be a structured relationship of sorts? I mean when it comes down to it, it's about commitment. Yet arguably, commitment could be a part of love. It'd be an interested philosophical debate.

As for a 3 year old, I could argue it's just a matter of maturity; a 3 y/o does not have the emotional development, intelligence, critical thinking skills, and other mental aspects of an adult. Of course they're not going to be capable of much in the love department, and definitely not in the sex department. As for what age it does come, it probably doesn't come with an age, and I doubt it comes after puberty either, but that it's rather relative to the experiences of the individual. Possible to be truly deeply in love at 12? I'd say it's possible. Common? No. Most of the time, it's either hormones or something social at play, but let's not rule out the possibility with unrealistic generalizations.

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people have moral issues with teenagers having sex b/c that's the way they were raised. even if they lost their virginity at a young age they don't want to think about the possibility of their child or future child having sex at such a young age and worry about then not using protection. if more parents taught their kids about safe sex i don't think it would be such a problem, but then again teenagers are hormonal as hell and don't necessarily think about all the consequences to their actions at the time which is another thing older people tend to know about b/c they have been their. i didn't loose mine till i was 20 b/c i was terrified of getting pregnant which can happen even with a condom.

i personally don't see anything wrong with it, and if they want to do it bad enough they will find a way to do it behind their parents back so they people should be teaching kids about safe sex instead of all abstinence. my mom always answered my questions even though she made it clear she didn't want me doing it before i was 18. once i turned 18 i could do what ever the hell i wanted and he didn't try and stop me.
Dating, love affairs…and even pre-marital sex is no longer taboo amongst today’s teenagers. Not even in conservative cities. True, one may not see many boys and girls openly holding hands on the main roads or kissing in parked cars but many affairs are conducted on the sly…without the knowledge of parents. Parental disapproval and society’s contempt often drives friendship and romance with the opposite sex underground! Boys and girls from even traditional families may be dating but secrecy is the name of the game.

Rohit, 18, is having a secret love affair. He comes from a conservative Gujarati family as does his 16-year old girlfriend. ‘No one knows,’ he confesses, ‘but we think that’s exciting.’ They usually seek out deserted move halls or unknown cafes while both their parents’ are under the impression that they are out in a group. A group which covers for them. Love letters are exchanged through common friends, and calls made from cells.

If there are any guilt pangs for this elaborate deceit, they are suppressed by the overwhelming needs of these youngsters, needs which are no longer considered immoral. ‘I slept with my husband before marriage,’ admits Neelima, ‘we couldn’t stop ourselves.’ She even admits that she had to have an abortion once. ‘It was an accident and I don’t think I did anything wrong. There is no point bringing an unwanted baby into this world.’ Neelima’s attitude towards pre-marital sex does not reflect her background, as she was brought up in an extremely conservative Marwari family with plenty of restrictions. This perhaps alienated her from her parents. ‘I was not close to either of them,’ she says.

This lack of closeness, of belonging and warmth, often pushes teenagers into the warmth of sexual relationships. Dr. S.K. Som, psychiatrist, says, ‘First of all, there is nothing wrong or abnormal in teenagers having love affairs or going steady. In fact love is natural, given the circumstances.’ However, less time is devoted to children than before and in nuclear families there are often no substitute parents either. Further, there is a lot about sex in the media today. All this tempts teens to experiment. Sometimes it can go very wrong. ‘It is only when romantic relationships lead to problems like unwanted pregnancies, early marriages, eloping or emotional disturbances, that it can become problematic. Mostly I have seen parents worry far more than necessary,’ he says. Dr. Som has counseled both boys and girls disturbed by broken love affairs.
In contrast, Dr. Jayant Kumar Chakravarty, a child specialist, advocates greater restriction on free mixing. ‘Teenagers want to experiment without thinking of the consequences,’ he says.

If parents are worried about their kids, then they should make sure that the lines of communication with their child is kept open. Take the case of Mahesh. Sixteen years old and desperately in love with a girl, he completely changed his attitude after a chat with his girl-friend’s mother. She called him over and explained to him the futility of his love and the fact that there was no future in the relationship. What she did not do however was ridicule his desires which she felt were quite normal for his age. After a long chat with the broadminded lady, Mahesh decided to stop pressurising the girl to commit herself to him and he left the house a much happier person. He admits that he could never have had a talk with his own parents.

As far as teenage ethics go (at least amongst middle and upper classes) dating and being in love are acceptable, even desirable behavior. Holding hands, kissing, petting are accepted too. In fact teenagers with boyfriends and girl-friends are the butt of envy.

If a teenager does not have either romance or sex in his or her life, there could be many reasons for it - but it is certainly not peer pressure. He or she may be introverted, afraid of being caught, lack opportunity or maybe busy with studies.

It is also a mistake for parents to think that sexual maturing has not taken place - that teenagers are not ready physically. In fact girls are conscious of their sexuality from the age of 12. They inspect themselves intently in mirrors, taken pains over their appearance, and observe boys with interest. Boy look at girl’s bodies and become conscious of their own. We have to remember that in ancient times children married early. While this is not desirable, possible or practical now, we cannot halt the sexual rebellion amongst the young. No matter how much parents rave and rant about the evils of western influences, and the decline of Indian culture, the facts are that the desire to interact and romance the opposite sex is natural and has always existed in India! By denying the existence of such natural feelings parents are alienating their children.

(Article published in The Telegraph, Calcutta.)

Note: Although the names of the teenagers are pseudonyms (Rajashree Dasgupta from the Telegraph allowed me that leeway for this piece) all the statements and backgrounds of the people interviewed are true. In fact I did not include an interview due to a lack of space, that of an eighty year old gentleman. He told me that too much fuss was being made about premarital sex. It was not a modern affliction, he said, it existed in his day and age too. He lost his virginity at age 17 he said, several years before marraige and it wasn’t with a prostitute. This was the first time he was confessing it to anyone though. The only change now (he told me) is that sex has been dragged out into the open and youngsters do not pretend its wrong. This is a good thing according to him because it could be the beginning of the end of hypocrisy
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This is proof of how wrong America is becoming. Se at a young age turns the person into a mini-adult. Even when someone is 15-18 they are still young, not yet full-fledged adults, but when they have premarital sex it takes their childhood away from them, forcing them to grow up. To suddenly become a mother is not an easy task and this is why people abhor premarital sex and shun it. Because it hurts people. Stresses them.
Do whatever you want if your an atheist then.. you'll go to hell anyways. rolleyes
Our government was founded by a lot Catholic/Christian values.. which is probably why people don't think its such a great thing to have sex before you are married.

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Do whatever you want if your an atheist then.. you'll go to hell anyways. rolleyes


So refreshing to see a non-judging, open-minded believer. Keep up the good work!

And, probably, go read your own holy book. You seem to have missed some important passages.

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Our government was founded by a lot Catholic/Christian values..

Assuming you're talking about the US government... eh no.
Try reading this.

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which is probably why people don't think its such a great thing to have sex before you are married.
Cause there are no shotgun weddings among christians, are there sweety?
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This is proof of how wrong America is becoming. Se at a young age turns the person into a mini-adult. Even when someone is 15-18 they are still young, not yet full-fledged adults, but when they have premarital sex it takes their childhood away from them, forcing them to grow up. To suddenly become a mother is not an easy task and this is why people abhor premarital sex and shun it. Because it hurts people. Stresses them.


And that is entirely your opinion. They do not turn into mini-adults, they do what they want, with no one stopping them. America is not going wrong, it's having a more open society where people are more accepting of taboo's (such as pre-marital sex, homosexuals, atheism), which is good.

Pre-marital sex doesn't take your childhood away, I'd say, it might even be a part of childhood. If you get pregnant, you just get an abortion, nothing wrong with it.

Durene
Do whatever you want if your an atheist then.. you'll go to hell anyways.


Bad, bad christian, how dare you judge people, now you're going to hell for judging someone. Plus making those threats is empty to an atheist, we do not believe in hell or heaven.

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@OP: Sometimes kids have babies. Actually, quite a bit of kids accidentally become pregnant and give birth.


But which is better, waiting until you're actually able to handle a child, or taking the risk while you're still trying to figure out your OWN life, let alone needing to worry about a baby's?
Durene
Do whatever you want if your an atheist then.. you'll go to hell anyways. rolleyes
Our government was founded by a lot Catholic/Christian values.. which is probably why people don't think its such a great thing to have sex before you are married.

You'll go to hell anyways? Wow, aren't you open minded! Don't judge people based on religion. Now I'm going to relate something to my family. My Mother is Christian, and she has open talks about sex.
No, society isn't really against it, it actually depends on who you talk to. Politicians are probably against it. Certain parents may not be.
Cervical cancer.
That's probably the biggest risk at a young age.
Completeness
Cervical cancer.
That's probably the biggest risk at a young age.

You are aware that there are certain shots to prevent some strains of it. I have gotten 2 out of 3 of the shots. It something your doctor suggests to your guardians to get for you.
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Completeness
Cervical cancer.
That's probably the biggest risk at a young age.

You are aware that there are certain shots to prevent some strains of it. I have gotten 2 out of 3 of the shots. It something your doctor suggests to your guardians to get for you.

Yes, I am. I still think it's an issue though. 3nodding
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xXAni_RiveraXx
Completeness
Cervical cancer.
That's probably the biggest risk at a young age.

You are aware that there are certain shots to prevent some strains of it. I have gotten 2 out of 3 of the shots. It something your doctor suggests to your guardians to get for you.

Yes, I am. I still think it's an issue though. 3nodding
It could be an issue, if you can't afford it. I see your point. That is a solution though. I know I'm probably on of very few girls at my school who have gotten these shots. My sister has gotten them as well.
I think it all depends on the situation. I definitely don't applaud 14 year olds having sex, but I don't think it's wrong for maybe a junior or a senior to be having sex. Schools do a good job of telling us how to live without sex, how it's the BEST way (until marriage of course), because we're all going to get pregnant and some disease. I think some kids might be stupid enough to do that, but if the kids are using protection, actually have whatever they perceive as "love" for each other, and aren't at a sick-young age, I see NOTHING wrong with it.
I'd like to start by saying that I'm agnostic and that I personally don't feel it morally wrong to have sex at any age, but scientifically, it is proven that the brain does not meet mental maturity until you are at least 21 years of age. Years 18 - 28 are the years that truly define who you are going to be as an adult. Ages 12 - 17 are when our bodies begin to reach sexual maturity.

I'm not going to get into all of the scientific crap. You'll just have to look it up yourself.

Having sex that age is not morally wrong... Just stupid. surprised
Finally, someone's making a little sense! Thank you luv fish! Completeness has a point as well. I know I'm not ready, and I probably won't be for a while. The only thing that sickens me is how young some people are though. When my little sisterwas in 6th grade, her best friend lost her virginity. She was 11 years old, and did NOT use a condom. That just freaked me out.
I think a 14 year old can make their own desicions. That's my opinion though.

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