The Abortion Debate

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

Lord Setar

kp is dcvi

Lord Setar

kp is dcvi

Lord Setar

That doesn't make the question as any less valid. The question is to attempt to establish if consent to the risk is irrevocable consent to the action, in question to statements that "the woman made her choice when she consented to sex!" It is very relevant and pertinent, especially when statements or implications such as that come into play.

Answer me this Setar: If she refrained from sex in that isolated incident where she did become pregnant: Would she be pregnant?

No. However, that still does not mean consenting to sex is irrevocably consenting to carrying any resulting pregnancy to term. All you've done is re-establish the already established consent to the risk of pregnancy.

Tell me Setar... are there lines that can be drawn? Is any one women truly ever in control when the Sperm enters inside her?

What control do we have over our biological processes? If you don't want to digest... you can't shut off digestion, you need to not eat. If you don't want to urinate, you can't reabsorb the liquids into your body, you need to not drink. If you want to sleep, you cannot nullify the caffiene in your body, you need to not drink the coffee...

You're trying to put so much free will over our own flesh, which largely, has a mind of its own.

By your logic, we should ban contraceptives.

I think calling the quoted post "logic" might be going a bit far.

[Kata Samoes]

Elf Lord Chiewn

Lord Setar

kp is dcvi

Tell me Setar... are there lines that can be drawn? Is any one women truly ever in control when the Sperm enters inside her?

What control do we have over our biological processes? If you don't want to digest... you can't shut off digestion, you need to not eat. If you don't want to urinate, you can't reabsorb the liquids into your body, you need to not drink. If you want to sleep, you cannot nullify the caffiene in your body, you need to not drink the coffee...

You're trying to put so much free will over our own flesh, which largely, has a mind of its own.

By your logic, we should ban contraceptives.

I think calling the quoted post "logic" might be going a bit far.

So is insulting people in debates. I recommend NOT doing it.

[Kata Samoes]

GoatShow

Elf Lord Chiewn

GoatShow

Lord Setar

Furthermore, you can't violate your own rights, as that is an oxymoron.

Suicide.

Except that you've just given yourself consent.
Fail? Y/Y

Some sort of multiple-personality suicide.

No, still not violating your own rights. Mental disorders don't qualify.

And it's also irrelevant to the subject. Try being on-topic.

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

Kata Samoes

Elf Lord Chiewn

Lord Setar

kp is dcvi

Tell me Setar... are there lines that can be drawn? Is any one women truly ever in control when the Sperm enters inside her?

What control do we have over our biological processes? If you don't want to digest... you can't shut off digestion, you need to not eat. If you don't want to urinate, you can't reabsorb the liquids into your body, you need to not drink. If you want to sleep, you cannot nullify the caffiene in your body, you need to not drink the coffee...

You're trying to put so much free will over our own flesh, which largely, has a mind of its own.

By your logic, we should ban contraceptives.

I think calling the quoted post "logic" might be going a bit far.

So is insulting people in debates. I recommend NOT doing it.

Lol irony.
Did you have something relevant to post?

[Kata Samoes]

Elf Lord Chiewn

kp is dcvi

Technically, no born citizen of their birth nation has ever agreed to anything legally residing in their document of law. Ever.

I call bullshit.

No no, he's right, but the fact is so irrelevant to the topic it almost borders on a red herring, and thus irrelevant to the topic of abortion and violating bodily rights (not the right to violate others' rights).

So..not bullshit. Irrelevant.

[Sugarrocks]

Elf Lord Chiewn

Kata Samoes

Elf Lord Chiewn

Lord Setar

kp is dcvi

Tell me Setar... are there lines that can be drawn? Is any one women truly ever in control when the Sperm enters inside her?

What control do we have over our biological processes? If you don't want to digest... you can't shut off digestion, you need to not eat. If you don't want to urinate, you can't reabsorb the liquids into your body, you need to not drink. If you want to sleep, you cannot nullify the caffiene in your body, you need to not drink the coffee...

You're trying to put so much free will over our own flesh, which largely, has a mind of its own.

By your logic, we should ban contraceptives.

I think calling the quoted post "logic" might be going a bit far.

So is insulting people in debates. I recommend NOT doing it.

Lol irony.Did you have something relevant to post?

Thia whole thing has gone from discussion to arguement and most of it is relevant to abortion but only very distantly.

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

Kata Samoes

Elf Lord Chiewn

kp is dcvi

Technically, no born citizen of their birth nation has ever agreed to anything legally residing in their document of law. Ever.

I call bullshit.

No no, he's right, but the fact is so irrelevant to the topic it almost borders on a red herring, and thus irrelevant to the topic of abortion and violating bodily rights (not the right to violate others' rights).

So..not bullshit. Irrelevant.

It's completely wrong as well.

Sugarrocks

Thia whole thing has gone from discussion to arguement and most of it is relevant to abortion but only very distantly.

That pretty well sums up the ADT.

[IfItWereOnlyThatSimple]

Kata Samoes

GoatShow

Elf Lord Chiewn

GoatShow

Lord Setar

Furthermore, you can't violate your own rights, as that is an oxymoron.

Suicide.

Except that you've just given yourself consent.
Fail? Y/Y

Some sort of multiple-personality suicide.

No, still not violating your own rights. Mental disorders don't qualify.

And it's also irrelevant to the subject. Try being on-topic.

Okay.

How about this: Woman has MPD. One personality loves children and is really excited about being pregnant while the other has a phobia of pregnancy.

Which one takes priority?

[IfItWereOnlyThatSimple]

Kata Samoes

Elf Lord Chiewn

kp is dcvi

Technically, no born citizen of their birth nation has ever agreed to anything legally residing in their document of law. Ever.

I call bullshit.

No no, he's right, but the fact is so irrelevant to the topic it almost borders on a red herring, and thus irrelevant to the topic of abortion and violating bodily rights (not the right to violate others' rights).

So..not bullshit. Irrelevant.

I suppose it could then be argued that he apparently made the statement in order to highlight how irrelevant the argument was.

In fact, it's ironic that this entire tangent is precisely that.

[Kata Samoes]

Elf Lord Chiewn

Kata Samoes

Elf Lord Chiewn

Lord Setar

kp is dcvi

Tell me Setar... are there lines that can be drawn? Is any one women truly ever in control when the Sperm enters inside her?

What control do we have over our biological processes? If you don't want to digest... you can't shut off digestion, you need to not eat. If you don't want to urinate, you can't reabsorb the liquids into your body, you need to not drink. If you want to sleep, you cannot nullify the caffiene in your body, you need to not drink the coffee...

You're trying to put so much free will over our own flesh, which largely, has a mind of its own.

By your logic, we should ban contraceptives.

I think calling the quoted post "logic" might be going a bit far.

So is insulting people in debates. I recommend NOT doing it.

Lol irony.
Did you have something relevant to post?

Yes: bringing you back on topic and avoiding fallacies. You shouldn't continue insulting people when they give criticism.

Try this instead: objectively look at the statement and reason for it, and respond without dragging out any personal issues.

[Kata Samoes]

Elf Lord Chiewn

Kata Samoes

Elf Lord Chiewn

kp is dcvi

Technically, no born citizen of their birth nation has ever agreed to anything legally residing in their document of law. Ever.

I call bullshit.

No no, he's right, but the fact is so irrelevant to the topic it almost borders on a red herring, and thus irrelevant to the topic of abortion and violating bodily rights (not the right to violate others' rights).

So..not bullshit. Irrelevant.

It's completely wrong as well.

And still irrelevant.

Elf Lord Chiewn

Sugarrocks

Thia whole thing has gone from discussion to arguement and most of it is relevant to abortion but only very distantly.

That pretty well sums up the ADT.

No, just bad debates.

In this case, with Setar and KP it's aggressive debating and a continuous one they've held. What makes it an argument and not a debate?

[IfItWereOnlyThatSimple]

Kata Samoes

Elf Lord Chiewn

Kata Samoes

Elf Lord Chiewn

Lord Setar

kp is dcvi

Tell me Setar... are there lines that can be drawn? Is any one women truly ever in control when the Sperm enters inside her?

What control do we have over our biological processes? If you don't want to digest... you can't shut off digestion, you need to not eat. If you don't want to urinate, you can't reabsorb the liquids into your body, you need to not drink. If you want to sleep, you cannot nullify the caffiene in your body, you need to not drink the coffee...

You're trying to put so much free will over our own flesh, which largely, has a mind of its own.

By your logic, we should ban contraceptives.

I think calling the quoted post "logic" might be going a bit far.

So is insulting people in debates. I recommend NOT doing it.

Lol irony.
Did you have something relevant to post?

Yes: bringing you back on topic and avoiding fallacies. You shouldn't continue insulting people when they give criticism.

Try this instead: objectively look at the statement and reason for it, and respond without dragging out any personal issues.

It's very difficult to do that when you do exactly the opposite in almost every post.

Please note: any relevance this may have had to the topic disappeared several posts ago, thereby increasing irony factor by at least 100

[Lord Setar]

Sugarrocks

Elf Lord Chiewn

Kata Samoes

Elf Lord Chiewn

Lord Setar

kp is dcvi

Tell me Setar... are there lines that can be drawn? Is any one women truly ever in control when the Sperm enters inside her?

What control do we have over our biological processes? If you don't want to digest... you can't shut off digestion, you need to not eat. If you don't want to urinate, you can't reabsorb the liquids into your body, you need to not drink. If you want to sleep, you cannot nullify the caffiene in your body, you need to not drink the coffee...

You're trying to put so much free will over our own flesh, which largely, has a mind of its own.

By your logic, we should ban contraceptives.

I think calling the quoted post "logic" might be going a bit far.

So is insulting people in debates. I recommend NOT doing it.

Lol irony.Did you have something relevant to post?

Thia whole thing has gone from discussion to arguement and most of it is relevant to abortion but only very distantly.

Nah. The irony present has made it the ED's version of Romeo and Juliet.

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

Kata Samoes

Elf Lord Chiewn

Kata Samoes

Elf Lord Chiewn

Lord Setar

By your logic, we should ban contraceptives.

I think calling the quoted post "logic" might be going a bit far.

So is insulting people in debates. I recommend NOT doing it.

Lol irony.
Did you have something relevant to post?

Yes: bringing you back on topic and avoiding fallacies. You shouldn't continue insulting people when they give criticism.

And you should learn what insulting people entails, to say nothing of fallacious remarks.

Kata Samoes

Try this instead: objectively look at the statement and reason for it, and respond without dragging out any personal issues.

Been there.
Done that.
The post makes as much sense as this image.

[Lord Setar]

Kata Samoes

Elf Lord Chiewn

Sugarrocks

Thia whole thing has gone from discussion to arguement and most of it is relevant to abortion but only very distantly.

That pretty well sums up the ADT.

No, just bad debates.

In this case, with Setar and KP it's aggressive debating and a continuous one they've held. What makes it an argument and not a debate?

I wouldn't even call it aggressive. I find KP and myself to be two of the calmest people here.