The Abortion Debate

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Kata Samoes

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While I agree that it is unfair that it's so much easier for men to get snipped, I don't think it's 100% sexism. A vasectomy is a fairly easy procedure, and fairly easily reversed. Tubal ligation, and especially hysterectomy, is a lot more complicated. Tubal Reversal sure seems a bit trickier and carries a much heightened risk of ectopic pregnancy. Hysterectomy, is of course, irreversible.

While it initially seems very sexist, I doubt that doctors advise against it because they are sexist. The only real thing to blame is biology and the fact that the female reproductive system is more complex, and harder to get to than the male's.

Vasectomies run at a 50-70 percent success rate, and can cost anywhere from $7,000 to $35,000. Sperm rates drop to lower levels, if you get the reversal, the sooner the better, the reversal can, itself, reverse. Sperm mutations are reported. Higher rates of birth defects have been found too.

Yeah. Real simple. heart

Source, or leave.

Suck mah balls, Kata. heart

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Source, or leave.

Suck Snip mah balls, Kata. heart

Fixed that for you.

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Yeah. Real simple. heart

I didn't say that Vasovasostomy was simple, I merely suggest that it was simpler than Tubal Reversal. Not to mention that, because ectopic pregnancies carry a risk of death, that makes a Tubal Reversal more dangerous in the long run, because vasovasosotomies (as far as I know) do not have complications that lead to death.

Not to mention that a standard Vasectomy is much easier than a Tubal Ligation, and a Tubal Ligation can cost anywhere from three to six times as much as a Vasectomy.

Edit, adding sources one and two.

[PhaedraMcSpiffy]

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Lord Setar

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@ soul less human doctors wont tie tubes because of the fact they are getting paid big bucks for abortions.

That means that each year in the U.S., the abortion industry brings in approximately $983 million through their abortion services alone. If you add in the $273 million that Planned Parenthood (America's largest abortion provider) receives annually in government grants and contracts, the annual dollar amount moves well past 1 billion
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You do know that Planned Parenthood is a non-profit organization, right?

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@ soul less human doctors wont tie tubes because of the fact they are getting paid big bucks for abortions.

That means that each year in the U.S., the abortion industry brings in approximately $983 million through their abortion services alone. If you add in the $273 million that Planned Parenthood (America's largest abortion provider) receives annually in government grants and contracts, the annual dollar amount moves well past 1 billion
Source

You do know that Planned Parenthood is a non-profit organization, right?

You still get paid tho right? I mean, PP's doctors and nurses have to eat too. Not to mention the cost of running the place.

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Yeah. Real simple.

I didn't say that Vasovasostomy was simple, I merely suggest that it was simpler than Tubal Reversal. Not to mention that, because ectopic pregnancies carry a risk of death, that makes a Tubal Reversal more dangerous in the long run, because vasovasosotomies (as far as I know) do not have complications that lead to death.

Not to mention that a standard Vasectomy is much easier than a Tubal Ligation, and a Tubal Ligation can cost anywhere from three to six times as much as a Vasectomy.

YOU

A vasectomy is a fairly easy procedure, and fairly easily reversed

Oh, really? Your post disagrees. You said it was easy. I refuted that point. Either counter, or concede. I will not argue the dangers of tying the tubes.

I'm merely pointing out that you were wrong to say vasovasectomies were easy. heart

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Talon-chan

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Source, or leave.

Suck Snip mah balls, Kata. heart

Fixed that for you.

Think of all the innocent wittle babies that could be potentially made with the help of those balls! crying

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Yeah. Real simple. heart

I didn't say that Vasovasostomy was simple, I merely suggest that it was simpler than Tubal Reversal. Not to mention that, because ectopic pregnancies carry a risk of death, that makes a Tubal Reversal more dangerous in the long run, because vasovasosotomies (as far as I know) do not have complications that lead to death.

Not to mention that a standard Vasectomy is much easier than a Tubal Ligation, and a Tubal Ligation can cost anywhere from three to six times as much as a Vasectomy.

YOU

A vasectomy is a fairly easy procedure, and fairly easily reversed

Oh, really? Your post disagrees. You said it was easy. I refuted that point. Either counter, or concede. I will not argue the dangers of tying the tubes.

I'm merely pointing out that you were wrong to say vasovasectomies were easy.

I notice her saying "fairly easily", not that it was "easy".

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Barely_evil

Lord Setar

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@ soul less human doctors wont tie tubes because of the fact they are getting paid big bucks for abortions.

That means that each year in the U.S., the abortion industry brings in approximately $983 million through their abortion services alone. If you add in the $273 million that Planned Parenthood (America's largest abortion provider) receives annually in government grants and contracts, the annual dollar amount moves well past 1 billion
Source

Or because each live birth costs about 10 to 100 times more than an abortion, they won't do it because the corporate birthing industry is in it for profit.


Or... we could accept that correlation is not causation, and actually provide sources that indicate that tubal doctors are getting kickbacks from anyone in such a way that it influences who they will operate on.

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I'm merely pointing out that you were wrong to say vasovasectomies were easy.

I corrected myself, saying that I meant to imply that they were easier than Tubal Reversals.

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I'm merely pointing out that you were wrong to say vasovasectomies were easy.

I corrected myself, saying that I meant to imply that they were easier than Tubal Reversals.

Yes, but the statement that I was refuting was that vasovasectomies were easy, which is false. If you don't like it, I don't much care. I have never claimed to be a nice guy here. I usually am not nice. I am refuting a false statement, you are bitching because you apparently changed it after I posted. That is silly. I even agreed that tubal reversal is dangerous and harder. Do you understand my point now? heart

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I understand, though what I'm saying is essentially that I already conceded that point, by saying that it is simpler, and not simple. So I don't know what more you want from me, really.

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Yeah. Real simple. heart

I didn't say that Vasovasostomy was simple, I merely suggest that it was simpler than Tubal Reversal. Not to mention that, because ectopic pregnancies carry a risk of death, that makes a Tubal Reversal more dangerous in the long run, because vasovasosotomies (as far as I know) do not have complications that lead to death.

Not to mention that a standard Vasectomy is much easier than a Tubal Ligation, and a Tubal Ligation can cost anywhere from three to six times as much as a Vasectomy.

YOU

A vasectomy is a fairly easy procedure, and fairly easily reversed

Oh, really? Your post disagrees. You said it was easy. I refuted that point. Either counter, or concede. I will not argue the dangers of tying the tubes.

I'm merely pointing out that you were wrong to say vasovasectomies were easy.

I notice her saying "fairly easily", not that it was "easy".

Which is still claiming that the process is easy, which it isn't. Just because she throws "fairly" on there doesn't alter that. The process is very expensive, and not perfect. Is that easy, or fairly easy? No. heart

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I'm merely pointing out that you were wrong to say vasovasectomies were easy.

I corrected myself, saying that I meant to imply that they were easier than Tubal Reversals.

Yes, but the statement that I was refuting was that vasovasectomies were easy, which is false. If you don't like it, I don't much care. I have never claimed to be a nice guy here. I usually am not nice. I am refuting a false statement, you are bitching because you apparently changed it after I posted. That is silly. I even agreed that tubal reversal is dangerous and harder. Do you understand my point now? heart

So in the end, God hates us and wants us all to suffer should we dare to want to have sex without babies. Perhaps he hates women more, but deep down, there's a little hatred for everyone.
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I understand, though what I'm saying is essentially that I already conceded that point, by saying that it is simpler, and not simple. So I don't know what more you want from me, really.

I was merely explaining what I was saying myself. I'm sorry if I made it seem as if I was pressing the attack. heart