The Abortion Debate

[Volturian Masquerade]

@miamae

...And your s**t painting is supposed to affect me how?

[Lord Setar]

miamae

This is a painting i did 2 years ago. it's based off of a painting from the rennaisance. The babies on your left represent those that have been killed at the hands of abortion clinics (the abortion clinics are represented by the female doctor at the center). While swords aren't used to abort babies, ithe sword in this painting symbolically stands for death, destruction and blood shed. The doctor has slashed the lives of those children (see painted on rips) and is now turned to kill yet more still. The doctor is staring into the eyes of it's first new victom, a small girl who stares innocently back (maybe even for a kiss). the babies featured on the right all appear happy, but Death is hellbound on coming to annihilate their future lives. The laughing giggling babies soon will be just as hurt and torn as those on the left. Perhaps only the mother holding her child will say no the the doctor and forbid the murder of her own child.

Mass appeal to emotion and misconstruction of pro-choice. You paint the pro-choice side as evil and wanting abortions to be mandatory, and you are acting like we support infanticide. Mandatory abortions are just as anti-choice as no abortions whatsoever. We stand up for the woman's right to choose to abort or not abort, no matter what her reasons are. Her reasons are her own, and her choice is her own, and we are not to interfere in that choice.

Furthermore, how is self-defense equivalent to murder? Are you opposed to being charged with murder for killing someone who was or was trying to rape you in self-defense?

[Machine Kontrol]

Deadly Seduction

@miamae

...And your s**t painting is supposed to affect me how?

It's supposed to be an appeal to emotion based off of misconceptions of the procedures of abortions, twisting the concept of what happens, and misrepresenting women who have abortions.

Just answering your question, seeing as you asked wink (and yes, I'm aware it was rhetorical).

[WitheringRoseOfDecay]

miamae

This is a painting i did 2 years ago. it's based off of a painting from the rennaisance. The babies on your left represent those that have been killed at the hands of abortion clinics (the abortion clinics are represented by the female doctor at the center). While swords aren't used to abort babies, ithe sword in this painting symbolically stands for death, destruction and blood shed. The doctor has slashed the lives of those children (see painted on rips) and is now turned to kill yet more still. The doctor is staring into the eyes of it's first new victom, a small girl who stares innocently back (maybe even for a kiss). the babies featured on the right all appear happy, but Death is hellbound on coming to annihilate their future lives. The laughing giggling babies soon will be just as hurt and torn as those on the left. Perhaps only the mother holding her child will say no the the doctor and forbid the murder of her own child.

abortions don't involve babies. therefore, your painting is a big ******** lie, and a misrepresentation of abortions and the pro-choice movement. congratulations, you're an ignorant anti-choicer who is wasting talent on being ignorant.

[Raina Luxe]

Z3Ncat

Z3Ncat

Barely_evil

soul_less_human

I agree.
I also add that just because you can handle it mentally, people who get abortions may not be so lucky.
If you're not ready to be a mother?
If someone absolutely HATES children [like me and many women I know]?

Just because you love your kid you think everyone else is evil and cruel for getting rid of an unwanted pregnancy? Think: If a woman is willing to kill her to-be child, how will she go about haviong to deal with a child?

Then she should not get pregnant. She should have her tubes tied. And if she does get pregnant, she wont have to deal with the child that she will hate until it is born, so why not give it up for adoption?

Yeah, about that tubes tying... do you know anything about it? For example, how almost no doctor will agree to it unless the woman is at least 35 and has at least two children? I've been turned down by three doctors now, and I'm 23 and have never wanted, nor ever will want, to have children. Amazingly enough, while no one refuses to allow a 16-year-old to make the irrevocable and unchangeable life-altering choice of carrying to term and keeping the baby on the grounds that she's 'too young', apparently a woman ten years older than her, who, should her mind change six years down the line in regards to being a mother, has other options available to her, is 'too young' to make the decision to get her tubes tied.

Also, what if it isn't children that the woman hates. What if it's pregnancy itself, and forcing her to remain pregnant will cause her to harm herself and the fetus?

Barely_evil, you obviously missed this post I made. I bring it up again because you ignored a very important point YukiNoHikari made in her post - namely that she was willing to take the risk of doing herself serious harm in order to not be pregnant. She is not alone in this world in that respect.

@ soul less human doctors wont tie tubes because of the fact they are getting paid big bucks for abortions.

@ zen cat I've eaten worse than that while I was pregnant. If she really didn't care about hurting herself and did want to get rid of her pregnancy, it would have been more drastic.

[ottery]

Barely_evil

Z3Ncat

Z3Ncat

Barely_evil

soul_less_human

I agree.
I also add that just because you can handle it mentally, people who get abortions may not be so lucky.
If you're not ready to be a mother?
If someone absolutely HATES children [like me and many women I know]?

Just because you love your kid you think everyone else is evil and cruel for getting rid of an unwanted pregnancy? Think: If a woman is willing to kill her to-be child, how will she go about haviong to deal with a child?

Then she should not get pregnant. She should have her tubes tied. And if she does get pregnant, she wont have to deal with the child that she will hate until it is born, so why not give it up for adoption?

Yeah, about that tubes tying... do you know anything about it? For example, how almost no doctor will agree to it unless the woman is at least 35 and has at least two children? I've been turned down by three doctors now, and I'm 23 and have never wanted, nor ever will want, to have children. Amazingly enough, while no one refuses to allow a 16-year-old to make the irrevocable and unchangeable life-altering choice of carrying to term and keeping the baby on the grounds that she's 'too young', apparently a woman ten years older than her, who, should her mind change six years down the line in regards to being a mother, has other options available to her, is 'too young' to make the decision to get her tubes tied.

Also, what if it isn't children that the woman hates. What if it's pregnancy itself, and forcing her to remain pregnant will cause her to harm herself and the fetus?

Barely_evil, you obviously missed this post I made. I bring it up again because you ignored a very important point YukiNoHikari made in her post - namely that she was willing to take the risk of doing herself serious harm in order to not be pregnant. She is not alone in this world in that respect.

@ soul less human doctors wont tie tubes because of the fact they are getting paid big bucks for abortions.

Yeah, that explains why my abortion was free, huh?

[YuriNoHikari]

Barely_evil

@ soul less human doctors wont tie tubes because of the fact they are getting paid big bucks for abortions.

@ zen cat I've eaten worse than that while I was pregnant. If she really didn't care about hurting herself and did want to get rid of her pregnancy, it would have been more drastic.

Cite proof for your first statement, please.

[WitheringRoseOfDecay]

Lauraniea

sry to say this well not really but i hope all of you think abortion is ok .. when you die i hope you got to hell.

how 'christian' of you. rolleyes

[Lord Setar]

Barely_evil

@ soul less human doctors wont tie tubes because of the fact they are getting paid big bucks for abortions.

[Miamae]

@ everyone's response to my painting.

There are over 6,000 comments on this forum. I'll assume many people have already listed every pro-life comment under the sun and maybe articles and stats. There's no use in adding to them. I'd just be repeating the same words. This painting isn't a persuasive statement, it's an opinion statement. I'm saying I disaprove of abortion in visual form, not words. A lot of you say it's emotional and sentimental garbabge. And it's emotional for a good reason. Death is an emotional thing. That's why funerals are so glum. And it has everything to do with babies. But if that doesn't suite your fancy, then I'll say that it has everything to do with life. This painting isn't my arguement, it's how I feel on the subject.

[RoseRose]

I'm 20, a sexually active college student, who wants to have kids someday- just not now.

Neither my fiance nor I have a job that covers our CURRENT expenses, much less a child's. And yes, while we could probably make it work, it would involve a much different life than I would want for any child of mine. If I were to get pregnant now, I would abort. I'm not going to tie my tubes (I live in one of the rare places where I could probably find a doctor who would- I've heard of them happening in OR, where I live, and in CA. No where else, actually), I want children in the future, when I'm ready for them. When a child would be a joy rather than only a burden.

Barely_Evil, I'm no slut, I've only had sex with my fiance. I'm not childfree, I'm going to become a parent someday (if I can't have my own kids, I will adopt. Heck, I'll probably adopt too, even if I have bio kids)... but, I'm pro-choice, and I would have an abortion.

[Lord Setar]

miamae

@ everyone's response to my painting.

There are over 6,000 comments on this forum. I'll assume many people have already listed every pro-life comment under the sun and maybe articles and stats. There's no use in adding to them. I'd just be repeating the same words. This painting isn't a persuasive statement, it's an opinion statement. I'm saying I disaprove of abortion in visual form, not words. A lot of you say it's emotional and sentimental garbabge. And it's emotional for a good reason. Death is an emotional thing. That's why funerals are so glum. And it has everything to do with babies. But if that doesn't suite your fancy, then I'll say that it has everything to do with life. This painting isn't my arguement, it's how I feel on the subject.

Great! Would you care to back it up with arguments and facts and not emotional tugging? ED is not your personal hugbox, if you would read the rules you would find that ED is meant for debating, which I was trying to do. If you want to post your feelings on a subject, Gaia has a journal function.

[YuriNoHikari]

miamae

@ everyone's response to my painting.

There are over 6,000 comments on this forum. I'll assume many people have already listed every pro-life comment under the sun and maybe articles and stats. There's no use in adding to them. I'd just be repeating the same words. This painting isn't a persuasive statement, it's an opinion statement. I'm saying I disaprove of abortion in visual form, not words. A lot of you say it's emotional and sentimental garbabge. And it's emotional for a good reason. Death is an emotional thing. That's why funerals are so glum. And it has everything to do with babies. But if that doesn't suite your fancy, then I'll say that it has everything to do with life. This painting isn't my arguement, it's how I feel on the subject.

ED isn't an opinion dump, you can't just come through and drop your opinion, whether visual or written.

[Volturian Masquerade]

RoseRose

I'm 20, a sexually active college student, who wants to have kids someday- just not now.

Neither my fiance nor I have a job that covers our CURRENT expenses, much less a child's. And yes, while we could probably make it work, it would involve a much different life than I would want for any child of mine. If I were to get pregnant now, I would abort. I'm not going to tie my tubes (I live in one of the rare places where I could probably find a doctor who would- I've heard of them happening in OR, where I live, and in CA. No where else, actually), I want children in the future, when I'm ready for them. When a child would be a joy rather than only a burden.

Barely_Evil, I'm no slut, I've only had sex with my fiance. I'm not childfree, I'm going to become a parent someday (if I can't have my own kids, I will adopt. Heck, I'll probably adopt too, even if I have bio kids)... but, I'm pro-choice, and I would have an abortion.

D:

Another Oregonian! *huggles*

[ottery]

Deadly Seduction

RoseRose

I'm 20, a sexually active college student, who wants to have kids someday- just not now.

Neither my fiance nor I have a job that covers our CURRENT expenses, much less a child's. And yes, while we could probably make it work, it would involve a much different life than I would want for any child of mine. If I were to get pregnant now, I would abort. I'm not going to tie my tubes (I live in one of the rare places where I could probably find a doctor who would- I've heard of them happening in OR, where I live, and in CA. No where else, actually), I want children in the future, when I'm ready for them. When a child would be a joy rather than only a burden.

Barely_Evil, I'm no slut, I've only had sex with my fiance. I'm not childfree, I'm going to become a parent someday (if I can't have my own kids, I will adopt. Heck, I'll probably adopt too, even if I have bio kids)... but, I'm pro-choice, and I would have an abortion.

D:

Another Oregonian! *huggles*

*Joins the huggles* Hay, I live in oregon, too. xd