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On the topic of sex-ed, I have a question for you guys.

My school taught comprehensive sex ed, but they sent out a letter to parents telling them what would be covered, and those parents had the option of dismissing their kids from class during the sex ed unit if they didn't want their kids learning it.

What do you think of this policy? Is it good because it lets parents control what "views" on sex are presented to their kids? Or is it bad because it lets parents prevent their kids from learning life-saving information.

It should be the parents job to tell their children about sex, the parents have just as much knowledge on the subject as the teachers do, and they can also tell their child what is acceptable and what is expected of the child.

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Less than 2% of abortions are due to the fact the woman was raped or cases of incest. If they made it illegal to have an abortion unless the woman was raped or in the case of incest women would still lie to have the abortion. By the way, today is the aniversary of Roe v Wade, 35 years of death. gonk


compared to the thousands of women who died so women today could have freedom to choose? or do you only care about non-viable non-sentient feoti?

freedom to choose? ha! freedom to kill their children. It's reasonable to believe that you would have no more compassion on a living born baby than you have on living preborn babies


Freedom to remove a non-sentient, non-feeling fetus which was violating their bodily domain - unfortunately, the removal of the fetus automatically ensures its death. Nowhere in the US, at any point in time, has the right of a woman to kill her born child been constitutionally protected. That is why women who carry to term, birth in secret, and then kill/throw away the baby are prosecuted.

Long live Roe vs. Wade.
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Whether or not a parent wants their child to have authority figures condoning sex... that's the uncertainty here.


Comprehensive sex ed doesn't condone sex. It's just facts.

My school taught comprehensive sex ed, and even though they didn't condemn sex they didn't condome it either. They just told us the risks of having sex, and how to protect ourselves against pregnancy an STDs if we did have sex.

It's not up to the school to teach morals just because some parents want their kids to learn it. If you don't want your kids having sex, it's your job to tell them not to have sex.


It does condone sex because it's discussing a valid lifestyle to live.

Discussing=/=condoning. Also you just said that it is a valid lifestyle. What is wrong with it.


Yes it does because we're talking about LIFESTYLES for the individuals. This is information that is meant to be lived out in application.

What's wrong with it? I specifically said that I refuse to address reasons for why people would be against it. I don't have an answer to your question.
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Less than 2% of abortions are due to the fact the woman was raped or cases of incest. If they made it illegal to have an abortion unless the woman was raped or in the case of incest women would still lie to have the abortion. By the way, today is the aniversary of Roe v Wade, 35 years of death. gonk


compared to the thousands of women who died so women today could have freedom to choose? or do you only care about non-viable non-sentient feoti?

freedom to choose? ha! freedom to kill their children. It's reasonable to believe that you would have no more compassion on a living born baby than you have on living preborn babies


infanticide or the killing of children IS NOT a freedom and you know it. a fetus IS NOT a child YET. i have a ******** of compassion for a born infant, because the infant is sentient and deserves protection.

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Less than 2% of abortions are due to the fact the woman was raped or cases of incest. If they made it illegal to have an abortion unless the woman was raped or in the case of incest women would still lie to have the abortion. By the way, today is the aniversary of Roe v Wade, 35 years of death. gonk


compared to the thousands of women who died so women today could have freedom to choose? or do you only care about non-viable non-sentient feoti?

freedom to choose? ha! freedom to kill their children. It's reasonable to believe that you would have no more compassion on a living born baby than you have on living preborn babies


Freedom to remove a non-sentient, non-feeling fetus which was violating their bodily domain - unfortunately, the removal of the fetus automatically ensures its death. Nowhere in the US, at any point in time, has the right of a woman to kill her born child been constitutionally protected. That is why women who carry to term, birth in secret, and then kill/throw away the baby are prosecuted.

Long live Roe vs. Wade.

what about inuced miscarriages? late term abortions using the MOLD method. MOLD is an abbreviation of the components used in the abortion: Misoprostol, Oxytocin, Laminaria, and Digoxin. Claimed to be a "normal, safe, natural miscarriage".

On the first day of the process, the baby is killed by injecting a drug called Digoxin into its heart. a long needle is guided through the mother's abdomen into the baby's beating heart. Also on the first day, the abortionist inserts laminaria into the woman's cervix.

Laminaria are thin sticks of seaweed material that absorb moisture and expand. The process dilates (opens) the cervix for the abortion. The abortionist will replace the laminaria each day using more sticks each time. This process can take several days.

After the baby is dead and the cervix is fully dilated, the abotionist delivers the dead baby while the mother is under twilight anesthesia. They use Versed and Nubain for anesthesia. Misoprostol and Oxytocin are used to induce labor. Misoprostol (Cytotec) is an ulcer medication that is not labeled for use in abortions.

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Less than 2% of abortions are due to the fact the woman was raped or cases of incest. If they made it illegal to have an abortion unless the woman was raped or in the case of incest women would still lie to have the abortion. By the way, today is the aniversary of Roe v Wade, 35 years of death. gonk


compared to the thousands of women who died so women today could have freedom to choose? or do you only care about non-viable non-sentient feoti?

freedom to choose? ha! freedom to kill their children. It's reasonable to believe that you would have no more compassion on a living born baby than you have on living preborn babies


infanticide or the killing of children IS NOT a freedom and you know it. a fetus IS NOT a child YET. i have a ******** of compassion for a born infant, because the infant is sentient and deserves protection.

life begins at conception. why then will you not protect the fetus when it cannot tell you if it's in pain? how can you know that being aborted is painless??
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Less than 2% of abortions are due to the fact the woman was raped or cases of incest. If they made it illegal to have an abortion unless the woman was raped or in the case of incest women would still lie to have the abortion. By the way, today is the aniversary of Roe v Wade, 35 years of death. gonk


compared to the thousands of women who died so women today could have freedom to choose? or do you only care about non-viable non-sentient feoti?

freedom to choose? ha! freedom to kill their children. It's reasonable to believe that you would have no more compassion on a living born baby than you have on living preborn babies
So by your understanding Im going to not give a crap about my kid because I believe someone has the right to abort? Wow, maybe I should have a late term abortion and eat the fetus sinse thats what people keep telling me Im going to do...
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Less than 2% of abortions are due to the fact the woman was raped or cases of incest. If they made it illegal to have an abortion unless the woman was raped or in the case of incest women would still lie to have the abortion. By the way, today is the aniversary of Roe v Wade, 35 years of death. gonk


compared to the thousands of women who died so women today could have freedom to choose? or do you only care about non-viable non-sentient feoti?

freedom to choose? ha! freedom to kill their children. It's reasonable to believe that you would have no more compassion on a living born baby than you have on living preborn babies


Freedom to remove a non-sentient, non-feeling fetus which was violating their bodily domain - unfortunately, the removal of the fetus automatically ensures its death. Nowhere in the US, at any point in time, has the right of a woman to kill her born child been constitutionally protected. That is why women who carry to term, birth in secret, and then kill/throw away the baby are prosecuted.

Long live Roe vs. Wade.

what about inuced miscarriages? late term abortions using the MOLD method. MOLD is an abbreviation of the components used in the abortion: Misoprostol, Oxytocin, Laminaria, and Digoxin. Claimed to be a "normal, safe, natural miscarriage".

On the first day of the process, the baby is killed by injecting a drug called Digoxin into its heart. a long needle is guided through the mother's abdomen into the baby's beating heart. Also on the first day, the abortionist inserts laminaria into the woman's cervix.

Laminaria are thin sticks of seaweed material that absorb moisture and expand. The process dilates (opens) the cervix for the abortion. The abortionist will replace the laminaria each day using more sticks each time. This process can take several days.

After the baby is dead and the cervix is fully dilated, the abotionist delivers the dead baby while the mother is under twilight anesthesia. They use Versed and Nubain for anesthesia. Misoprostol and Oxytocin are used to induce labor. Misoprostol (Cytotec) is an ulcer medication that is not labeled for use in abortions.


the majority of abortions occur in the first 12 weeks via suction. a late term abortion is rare and IS NOT elective, meaning the woman has to have a damn good reason for aborting, whether it be for her health, or because the pregnancy has gone wrong and the fetus is fatally ill.

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Less than 2% of abortions are due to the fact the woman was raped or cases of incest. If they made it illegal to have an abortion unless the woman was raped or in the case of incest women would still lie to have the abortion. By the way, today is the aniversary of Roe v Wade, 35 years of death. gonk


compared to the thousands of women who died so women today could have freedom to choose? or do you only care about non-viable non-sentient feoti?

freedom to choose? ha! freedom to kill their children. It's reasonable to believe that you would have no more compassion on a living born baby than you have on living preborn babies
So by your understanding Im going to not give a crap about my kid because I believe someone has the right to abort? Wow, maybe I should have a late term abortion and eat the fetus sinse thats what people keep telling me Im going to do...

where do you get your logic?? Although since abortion has been legal, cases of child abuse have gone up, also cases of unwanted children have gone up. abortion cheapens life, it cheapens our children's lives.
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On the topic of sex-ed, I have a question for you guys.

My school taught comprehensive sex ed, but they sent out a letter to parents telling them what would be covered, and those parents had the option of dismissing their kids from class during the sex ed unit if they didn't want their kids learning it.

What do you think of this policy? Is it good because it lets parents control what "views" on sex are presented to their kids? Or is it bad because it lets parents prevent their kids from learning life-saving information.
I think it would be a deffinit start. Some parents want to be the ones to explain things like that to their kids while other parents dont even want to touch the subject and would much rather someone else do it. Granted that still leaves it open for parents to say no and still not tell their kids about anything, but I think it would be a start in the right direction.
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Less than 2% of abortions are due to the fact the woman was raped or cases of incest. If they made it illegal to have an abortion unless the woman was raped or in the case of incest women would still lie to have the abortion. By the way, today is the aniversary of Roe v Wade, 35 years of death. gonk


compared to the thousands of women who died so women today could have freedom to choose? or do you only care about non-viable non-sentient feoti?

freedom to choose? ha! freedom to kill their children. It's reasonable to believe that you would have no more compassion on a living born baby than you have on living preborn babies
So by your understanding Im going to not give a crap about my kid because I believe someone has the right to abort? Wow, maybe I should have a late term abortion and eat the fetus sinse thats what people keep telling me Im going to do...

where do you get your logic?? Although since abortion has been legal, cases of child abuse have gone up, also cases of unwanted children have gone up. abortion cheapens life, it cheapens our children's lives.
You said that it would be reasonable to believe that I would have no more compassion for a living baby then I would a fetus. If that were the case then I would be just as willing to kill a two yearold as I would a fetus. There's my logic.

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There's a great difference here between what one ADVOCATES and what one TEACHES. I.E. discussing Adolf Hitler's reasons for the Holocaust isn't to say that you support them. (And I would have used Pol Pot but I don't really know much about that situation). A comprehensive sex ed. program (and I have discounted a "have sex" program because... honestly that really doesn't exist) does not advocate anything if careful. BUT... by teaching children about safer sex, you're, in turn, telling them this is a safe, socially responsible lifestyle and it's your choice whether or not to live it.


I know Talon already pointed this out to you, but...

Comprehensive sex ed teaches FACTS. Facts, such as 'this is the effectiveness of a condom if used properly', or 'these are the risks you face if you have sex'. Believe me, I'm pretty sure that no matter how liberal the state or the school system or the independent school, if sex were being advocated to a group of minors, we would hear about it. Big time.

I sat through many years of comprehensive sex-ed/health classes, as did all of my friends and many of my peers that I interact with today. Those of us who are now sexually active - and that's NOT all of us, despite the fact that you seem to think teaching about the risks associated with sex and how to protect oneself from them equals advocating teens to run out and get laid left and right - learned how to keep ourselves safe. We learned how stupid it is to have unprotected sex, even if it's with a monogamous partner. We learned WHY we should use contraception, and which methods are most effective. And, amazingly enough, we learned that abstinence was in fact an option for us, and statistically, in terms of STDs and pregnancy, probably the safest option of them all.

Yes, you heard that correctly. Comprehensive sex ed does, in fact, teach about abstinence. It even ADVOCATES it.

Schools are for teaching facts. The facts are that sex occurs between consenting (and, unfortunately, sometimes non-consenting) partners. The facts are that there are multiple ways of protecting oneself against some of the risks that go along with sex, and that each of these ways has a different level of effectiveness. Schools are also for preparing students for the 'real world' out there - and in that real world, sex happens.

If you want to advocate morals, that's not the job of the school. That's the job of the parents. If they believe that their child shouldn't have sex until they're married and ready for children, that's THEIR job to impart.

Also, as an aside to anyone who DOES advocate AO-miseducation: Did you know that in order to receive federal funding for AO, contraception cannot be talked about at all, unless it's to mention failure rates? Studies have shown that students who have the misfortune to be subjected to AO-miseducation are therefore less likely, when ignoring all those calls to be abstinent, to use any form of contraception at all than their peers who received comprehensive sex-ed, because those students know nothing of how contraception can help them - even save their life.
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Less than 2% of abortions are due to the fact the woman was raped or cases of incest. If they made it illegal to have an abortion unless the woman was raped or in the case of incest women would still lie to have the abortion. By the way, today is the aniversary of Roe v Wade, 35 years of death. gonk


compared to the thousands of women who died so women today could have freedom to choose? or do you only care about non-viable non-sentient feoti?

freedom to choose? ha! freedom to kill their children. It's reasonable to believe that you would have no more compassion on a living born baby than you have on living preborn babies


infanticide or the killing of children IS NOT a freedom and you know it. a fetus IS NOT a child YET. i have a ******** of compassion for a born infant, because the infant is sentient and deserves protection.

life begins at conception. why then will you not protect the fetus when it cannot tell you if it's in pain? how can you know that being aborted is painless??


because, it's been proven that the fetus doesn't feel pain until the cerebral cortex and the thalamus are both formed, and when the receptors that generate the sensation of pain connect these two parts of the brain. without these key parts of the brain, the nerves do not function, therefore there is no pain. here's a few websites that prove it.
link 1
link 2
link 3

also, life may begin at conception, but sentience and personhood do not.

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Less than 2% of abortions are due to the fact the woman was raped or cases of incest. If they made it illegal to have an abortion unless the woman was raped or in the case of incest women would still lie to have the abortion. By the way, today is the aniversary of Roe v Wade, 35 years of death. gonk


compared to the thousands of women who died so women today could have freedom to choose? or do you only care about non-viable non-sentient feoti?

freedom to choose? ha! freedom to kill their children. It's reasonable to believe that you would have no more compassion on a living born baby than you have on living preborn babies


Freedom to remove a non-sentient, non-feeling fetus which was violating their bodily domain - unfortunately, the removal of the fetus automatically ensures its death. Nowhere in the US, at any point in time, has the right of a woman to kill her born child been constitutionally protected. That is why women who carry to term, birth in secret, and then kill/throw away the baby are prosecuted.

Long live Roe vs. Wade.

what about inuced miscarriages? late term abortions using the MOLD method. MOLD is an abbreviation of the components used in the abortion: Misoprostol, Oxytocin, Laminaria, and Digoxin. Claimed to be a "normal, safe, natural miscarriage".

On the first day of the process, the baby is killed by injecting a drug called Digoxin into its heart. a long needle is guided through the mother's abdomen into the baby's beating heart. Also on the first day, the abortionist inserts laminaria into the woman's cervix.

Laminaria are thin sticks of seaweed material that absorb moisture and expand. The process dilates (opens) the cervix for the abortion. The abortionist will replace the laminaria each day using more sticks each time. This process can take several days.

After the baby is dead and the cervix is fully dilated, the abotionist delivers the dead baby while the mother is under twilight anesthesia. They use Versed and Nubain for anesthesia. Misoprostol and Oxytocin are used to induce labor. Misoprostol (Cytotec) is an ulcer medication that is not labeled for use in abortions.


the majority of abortions occur in the first 12 weeks via suction. a late term abortion is rare and IS NOT elective, meaning the woman has to have a damn good reason for aborting, whether it be for her health, or because the pregnancy has gone wrong and the fetus is fatally ill.


the heart of the fetus beats at 14 days after conception and brain waves are detectable at 6 weeks. please watch this video
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Less than 2% of abortions are due to the fact the woman was raped or cases of incest. If they made it illegal to have an abortion unless the woman was raped or in the case of incest women would still lie to have the abortion. By the way, today is the aniversary of Roe v Wade, 35 years of death. gonk


compared to the thousands of women who died so women today could have freedom to choose? or do you only care about non-viable non-sentient feoti?

freedom to choose? ha! freedom to kill their children. It's reasonable to believe that you would have no more compassion on a living born baby than you have on living preborn babies


infanticide or the killing of children IS NOT a freedom and you know it. a fetus IS NOT a child YET. i have a ******** of compassion for a born infant, because the infant is sentient and deserves protection.

life begins at conception. why then will you not protect the fetus when it cannot tell you if it's in pain? how can you know that being aborted is painless??


because, it's been proven that the fetus doesn't feel pain until the cerebral cortex and the thalamus are both formed, and when the receptors that generate the sensation of pain connect these two parts of the brain. without these key parts of the brain, the nerves do not function, therefore there is no pain. here's a few websites that prove it.
link 1
link 2
link 3

also, life may begin at conception, but sentience and personhood do not.
Besides, if we're arguing "life",some could argue that life exists before conception as the sperm and egg are alive. So the question there should be should we make it illegal to use a condom as a condom prevents the sperm and egg from combining to continue that life? After all, if you're going to fight for life, why not fight for all life, right?

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