The Abortion Debate

[princess_colex]

Freedom Fire

*snippet*
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Also, a child is legal property until it's 18. That doesn't mean you can kill the child once it's born, but you do have control over that kid's body in some aspects. Ever stopped to consider that people under 18 can't get tattoos or get their ears pierced without their parents' permission.

But that has to do with not doing stuff to your body. To what extent to parents actually have the right to do things to their children? Child abuse is illegal for example.

I'm not disagreeing. I just thought it would be an interesting arguement.

[Rannii]

The woman should decide wheather she wants to keep the baby or not.
I think it's wrong to have an abortion though. DX I'd feel very guilty. ):

[Denzorz]

Crystal E-B

PhoenixDenz

La Veuve Zin

terru212

i think it should be the womans choice! no one should tell her what to do!

Are you going to elaborate, or just post your opinion and run?

5k says post and run.

Anywho. On topic crap:
When there is a method of getting the fetus out fo the woman's body when she says she wants it out that is as affordable, availible and relatively safe as an abortion (like some sort of artifical womb or whatever) then abortion will no longer be necessary.

If I'm right, the only time a eprson has the right to use lethal force to defend themselves s if there's no other availible option. If an option pops up that can remove the fetus when the woman wants, but doesn't result in the death of said fetus, then abortion isn't necessary anymore, since there's another, non-lethal option.

NO SHE DON'T! Abrtion ish murder! She can have teh babee and throw it in a dumpter. Just don't abort it.

Just working on my devil's advocate skillz.

Your skillz be great and powerful. It was as if you were really one of the multitudes of lifers who have come in and used adoption as the cure all argument!

[_C r y s t a l_RB]

Rannii

The woman should decide wheather she wants to keep the baby or not.
I think it's wrong to have an abortion though. DX I'd feel very guilty. ):

I agree with you completely on the bolded part. I myself wouldn't feel bad at all about having an abortion though. If I were to get pregnant now, I'd be off to the nearest clinic to get it taken care of. I hope I don't ever have to. I hope my birth control continues to go strong another 5 years or so. It's cheaper that way.

[_C r y s t a l_RB]

PhoenixDenz

Crystal E-B

PhoenixDenz

La Veuve Zin

terru212

i think it should be the womans choice! no one should tell her what to do!

Are you going to elaborate, or just post your opinion and run?

5k says post and run.

Anywho. On topic crap:
When there is a method of getting the fetus out fo the woman's body when she says she wants it out that is as affordable, availible and relatively safe as an abortion (like some sort of artifical womb or whatever) then abortion will no longer be necessary.

If I'm right, the only time a eprson has the right to use lethal force to defend themselves s if there's no other availible option. If an option pops up that can remove the fetus when the woman wants, but doesn't result in the death of said fetus, then abortion isn't necessary anymore, since there's another, non-lethal option.

NO SHE DON'T! Abrtion ish murder! She can have teh babee and throw it in a dumpter. Just don't abort it.

Just working on my devil's advocate skillz.

Your skillz be great and powerful. It was as if you were really one of the multitudes of lifers who have come in and used adoption as the cure all argument!

Not adoption. Dumpster babies! At least we're giving it the chance at life right?

[Denzorz]

Rannii

The woman should decide wheather she wants to keep the baby or not.
I think it's wrong to have an abortion though. DX I'd feel very guilty. ):

Yeah. Some women (my mother, for instance) would have serious trouble/guilt if they got an abortion themselves, adn they may personally disagree with the procedure, which is fine. You guys are entitled to your opinion. I'm friends with people who think abortion isn't morally right, but since they dont' want to stop other women from getting them, it's ok.

[Freedom Fire]

princess_colex

Freedom Fire

*snippet*
....
Also, a child is legal property until it's 18. That doesn't mean you can kill the child once it's born, but you do have control over that kid's body in some aspects. Ever stopped to consider that people under 18 can't get tattoos or get their ears pierced without their parents' permission.

But that has to do with not doing stuff to your body. To what extent to parents actually have the right to do things to their children? Child abuse is illegal for example.

I'm not disagreeing. I just thought it would be an interesting arguement.

They have the right to get their children vaccinated, and give them other medical care, such as taking them to the doctor, making them take medicine. They also have the right to refuse to give their kids medical care.

They also have the right to have their kids taken off life support.

[DCVI]

Crystal E-B

kp is dcvi

Mordfabrik

kp is dcvi

Crystal E-B

Hells_Angel_1995

i think if you have sex you should be responsible enough to take care of your on mistakes

Many abortions are performed on middle-aged women who are married. How the hell is sex with ones husband a mistake? What if her birth control, which she has been more than compliant with, failed her? I really doubt a married woman is going to say to her husband, "I'm sorry hunny. Having sex with you was a mistake, and so now we have to birth this child neither of us want." Not everyone who has sex without the intent of making babies is a stupid whore you know?

Did she even say that?

...no.

Stop with the sensationalism. Please.

Ever hear of the concept of, oh, I don't know, implying something? Hm? Yes?

Crystal was making an inference off something neither you, nor I, nor Crystal can say, for certain, is there.

Only one who knows what Hells_Angel_1995 is thinking is... Hells_Angel.

If you're going to make an inference, fine. Do not assume a condescending tone though as you could be very, very wrong.

kp. I'm not going to argue this useless bullshit with you. At least my post had a point to it, AND it addressed her comment, AND it had something to do with the topic at hand. All you're doing is trying to piss people off by being a nitpick.

How are you contributing with your poetic drawl?

Don't sensationalize your points unprovoked. Period.

[loveltstone]

Crystal E-B

Rannii

The woman should decide wheather she wants to keep the baby or not.
I think it's wrong to have an abortion though. DX I'd feel very guilty. ):

If I were to get pregnant now, I'd be off to the nearest clinic to get it taken care of. I hope I don't ever have to. I hope my birth control continues to go strong another 5 years or so.

same here

[Denzorz]

Crystal E-B

PhoenixDenz

Crystal E-B

PhoenixDenz

La Veuve Zin

terru212

i think it should be the womans choice! no one should tell her what to do!

Are you going to elaborate, or just post your opinion and run?

5k says post and run.

Anywho. On topic crap:
When there is a method of getting the fetus out fo the woman's body when she says she wants it out that is as affordable, availible and relatively safe as an abortion (like some sort of artifical womb or whatever) then abortion will no longer be necessary.

If I'm right, the only time a eprson has the right to use lethal force to defend themselves s if there's no other availible option. If an option pops up that can remove the fetus when the woman wants, but doesn't result in the death of said fetus, then abortion isn't necessary anymore, since there's another, non-lethal option.

NO SHE DON'T! Abrtion ish murder! She can have teh babee and throw it in a dumpter. Just don't abort it.

Just working on my devil's advocate skillz.

Your skillz be great and powerful. It was as if you were really one of the multitudes of lifers who have come in and used adoption as the cure all argument!

Not adoption. Dumpster babies! At least we're giving it the chance at life right?

For some reason I read that as adoption. gonk Den is the fails.


I've never understod this desire that people have to say "Well, she can just give birth and
-deal with her mistake by being responsible and raising the child
-put it up for adoption

What the hell? If a person is irresponsibel enough to be having unprotected sex, what the blue bloody ******** makes people think she'll be responsible enough to care for a child? Taking a pill once a day or putting a ******** condom on is a lot easier than raising a kid. If she isn't responsible enough to do either of those, then what the hell would make her responsible enough to take proper care of a child? Do these people advocating this not think about what they're saying?

Adoption. Ugh. I read in Time a few months back that there are over 120,000 kids in the U.S. adoption system alone. Do we really need ot be adding more into the system? No, we don't. And while there are lifers out there who will adopt, there simply wouldn't be enough adopters to take on all the children that would be there if women adopted out instead of aborted, so for them to suggest that is just, well, idiotic, frankly.

[Denzorz]

Crystal E-B

Rannii

The woman should decide wheather she wants to keep the baby or not.
I think it's wrong to have an abortion though. DX I'd feel very guilty. ):

I agree with you completely on the bolded part. I myself wouldn't feel bad at all about having an abortion though. If I were to get pregnant now, I'd be off to the nearest clinic to get it taken care of. I hope I don't ever have to. I hope my birth control continues to go strong another 5 years or so. It's cheaper that way.

If i got pregnant now (well, first off I'd be WTF since I'm not doing anything that could get me pregnant) but my happy behind would definitly be making a trip across the river to the clinic. Mostly because I'm 17, can't support a kid, and would have to get a c-section, according to my doctor.
No way in hell me or my body is ready for that.

I 'm cool with teh BC I'm on now, though I'd prefer the patch, simply because the kitten keeps sneaking into my room adn knocking my pillfoil onto the floor, and I have to spend ten minutes searching for the damn thing.

[Reiken no Tenshi]

PhoenixDenz

Crystal E-B

PhoenixDenz

Crystal E-B

PhoenixDenz

5k says post and run.

Anywho. On topic crap:
When there is a method of getting the fetus out fo the woman's body when she says she wants it out that is as affordable, availible and relatively safe as an abortion (like some sort of artifical womb or whatever) then abortion will no longer be necessary.

If I'm right, the only time a eprson has the right to use lethal force to defend themselves s if there's no other availible option. If an option pops up that can remove the fetus when the woman wants, but doesn't result in the death of said fetus, then abortion isn't necessary anymore, since there's another, non-lethal option.

NO SHE DON'T! Abrtion ish murder! She can have teh babee and throw it in a dumpter. Just don't abort it.

Just working on my devil's advocate skillz.

Your skillz be great and powerful. It was as if you were really one of the multitudes of lifers who have come in and used adoption as the cure all argument!

Not adoption. Dumpster babies! At least we're giving it the chance at life right?

For some reason I read that as adoption. gonk Den is the fails.


I've never understod this desire that people have to say "Well, she can just give birth and
-deal with her mistake by being responsible and raising the child
-put it up for adoption

What the hell? If a person is irresponsibel enough to be having unprotected sex, what the blue bloody ******** makes people think she'll be responsible enough to care for a child? Taking a pill once a day or putting a ******** condom on is a lot easier than raising a kid. If she isn't responsible enough to do either of those, then what the hell would make her responsible enough to take proper care of a child? Do these people advocating this not think about what they're saying?

Adoption. Ugh. I read in Time a few months back that there are over 120,000 kids in the U.S. adoption system alone. Do we really need ot be adding more into the system? No, we don't. And while there are lifers out there who will adopt, there simply wouldn't be enough adopters to take on all the children that would be there if women adopted out instead of aborted, so for them to suggest that is just, well, idiotic, frankly.

You will find there will be a lack of reply to this point. I would know. I, and I'm sure several others as well, have brought up this point a multitude of times to no avail. Either the pro-lifers will ignore it completely, or they'll nit-pick at the slightest word out of place to take the attention off the main point you tried to make.

[DCVI]

Nobody Famous

PhoenixDenz

Crystal E-B

PhoenixDenz

Crystal E-B

PhoenixDenz

5k says post and run.

Anywho. On topic crap:
When there is a method of getting the fetus out fo the woman's body when she says she wants it out that is as affordable, availible and relatively safe as an abortion (like some sort of artifical womb or whatever) then abortion will no longer be necessary.

If I'm right, the only time a eprson has the right to use lethal force to defend themselves s if there's no other availible option. If an option pops up that can remove the fetus when the woman wants, but doesn't result in the death of said fetus, then abortion isn't necessary anymore, since there's another, non-lethal option.

NO SHE DON'T! Abrtion ish murder! She can have teh babee and throw it in a dumpter. Just don't abort it.

Just working on my devil's advocate skillz.

Your skillz be great and powerful. It was as if you were really one of the multitudes of lifers who have come in and used adoption as the cure all argument!

Not adoption. Dumpster babies! At least we're giving it the chance at life right?

For some reason I read that as adoption. gonk Den is the fails.


I've never understod this desire that people have to say "Well, she can just give birth and
-deal with her mistake by being responsible and raising the child
-put it up for adoption

What the hell? If a person is irresponsibel enough to be having unprotected sex, what the blue bloody f**k makes people think she'll be responsible enough to care for a child? Taking a pill once a day or putting a ******** condom on is a lot easier than raising a kid. If she isn't responsible enough to do either of those, then what the hell would make her responsible enough to take proper care of a child? Do these people advocating this not think about what they're saying?

Adoption. Ugh. I read in Time a few months back that there are over 120,000 kids in the U.S. adoption system alone. Do we really need ot be adding more into the system? No, we don't. And while there are lifers out there who will adopt, there simply wouldn't be enough adopters to take on all the children that would be there if women adopted out instead of aborted, so for them to suggest that is just, well, idiotic, frankly.

You will find there will be a lack of reply to this point. I would know. I, and I'm sure several others as well, have brought up this point a multitude of times to no avail. Either the pro-lifers will ignore it completely, or they'll nit-pick at the slightest word out of place to take the attention off the main point you tried to make.

That's because it's like arguing with a brick wall.

Anyone who believes it's better to kill then to give a chance at life... that's someone difficult to argue with. In the case of the adoption system, anyone who thinks that their child is better off dead then given a shot at life in the adoption system just won't listen to any other reason.

[_C r y s t a l_RB]

Nobody Famous

PhoenixDenz

Crystal E-B

PhoenixDenz

Crystal E-B

PhoenixDenz

5k says post and run.

Anywho. On topic crap:
When there is a method of getting the fetus out fo the woman's body when she says she wants it out that is as affordable, availible and relatively safe as an abortion (like some sort of artifical womb or whatever) then abortion will no longer be necessary.

If I'm right, the only time a eprson has the right to use lethal force to defend themselves s if there's no other availible option. If an option pops up that can remove the fetus when the woman wants, but doesn't result in the death of said fetus, then abortion isn't necessary anymore, since there's another, non-lethal option.

NO SHE DON'T! Abrtion ish murder! She can have teh babee and throw it in a dumpter. Just don't abort it.

Just working on my devil's advocate skillz.

Your skillz be great and powerful. It was as if you were really one of the multitudes of lifers who have come in and used adoption as the cure all argument!

Not adoption. Dumpster babies! At least we're giving it the chance at life right?

For some reason I read that as adoption. gonk Den is the fails.


I've never understod this desire that people have to say "Well, she can just give birth and
-deal with her mistake by being responsible and raising the child
-put it up for adoption

What the hell? If a person is irresponsibel enough to be having unprotected sex, what the blue bloody ******** makes people think she'll be responsible enough to care for a child? Taking a pill once a day or putting a ******** condom on is a lot easier than raising a kid. If she isn't responsible enough to do either of those, then what the hell would make her responsible enough to take proper care of a child? Do these people advocating this not think about what they're saying?

Adoption. Ugh. I read in Time a few months back that there are over 120,000 kids in the U.S. adoption system alone. Do we really need ot be adding more into the system? No, we don't. And while there are lifers out there who will adopt, there simply wouldn't be enough adopters to take on all the children that would be there if women adopted out instead of aborted, so for them to suggest that is just, well, idiotic, frankly.

You will find there will be a lack of reply to this point. I would know. I, and I'm sure several others as well, have brought up this point a multitude of times to no avail. Either the pro-lifers will ignore it completely, or they'll nit-pick at the slightest word out of place to take the attention off the main point you tried to make.

Nitpick at words? Does someone actually do that? *wink* xd

[princess_colex]

Freedom Fire

princess_colex

Freedom Fire

*snippet*
....
Also, a child is legal property until it's 18. That doesn't mean you can kill the child once it's born, but you do have control over that kid's body in some aspects. Ever stopped to consider that people under 18 can't get tattoos or get their ears pierced without their parents' permission.

But that has to do with not doing stuff to your body. To what extent to parents actually have the right to do things to their children? Child abuse is illegal for example.

I'm not disagreeing. I just thought it would be an interesting arguement.

They have the right to get their children vaccinated, and give them other medical care, such as taking them to the doctor, making them take medicine. They also have the right to refuse to give their kids medical care.

They also have the right to have their kids taken off life support.

0.o
Interesting...