The Abortion Debate

[Lady-of-Slaughter]

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Lady-of-Slaughter

*slaps herself in the face*

Here we go with the semantics again...

Just so things are abundantly clear: I didn't start it.

I hold firm to the idea that "anti-choice" is an accurate alternate name for "pro-life." If one were to ask me, I'd say that it's even MORE accurate.

I agree, however, I am greatly reluctant to be sucked into the black hole that is the current argument over labels.

[Emperor Fluffzorz]

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Lady-of-Slaughter

*slaps herself in the face*

Here we go with the semantics again...

Just so things are abundantly clear: I didn't start it.

I hold firm to the idea that "anti-choice" is an accurate alternate name for "pro-life." If one were to ask me, I'd say that it's even MORE accurate.

Actually, to be fair, I think I kinda did by giving him the time of day at all. Sorry, love.

Anyway, let's just ignore him.

[Art Star_x]

jeckellotus

abort a fetus today!!!!!!!!! its the best thing you can do with your life!!! domokun heart

Not really. If you're planning to have a child, why abort the fetus? That wouldn't be the best thing to do...

[Emperor Fluffzorz]

jeckellotus

abort a fetus today!!!!!!!!! its the best thing you can do with your life!!! domokun heart

*sigh* So THIS is why we have a bad name....

Kid, it isn't just aborting for the sake of having a cute dead thing to put on a keychain. It IS a living creature. The point of the whole damn issue is that some self-righteous, holier-than-thou jackasses presume to have the right to defy one's bodily integrity and literally force their morals into your uterus. This is illegal, as it violates the aforementioned integrity of the self - hence the massive legal debate.

[Lady Miyo]

Freedom Fire

To the pro-lifers:

if you don't want to be called anti-choice or anti-abortion, don't go around calling pro-choicers pro-death, pro-abortion, anti-life, anti-responsibility, baby-killers, or any other names I forgot to mention. Pro-lifers are in general far more guilty of name-calling than we are.

Proof?

[Lady Miyo]

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I hold firm to the idea that "anti-choice" is an accurate alternate name for "pro-life." If one were to ask me, I'd say that it's even MORE accurate.

But does that give us the right to use it? All that using a term that the lifers find derogatory does is make them not even see our points, whether they're valid or not, because all they can see is us not giving them any respect for whatever reason. There's no point in using a term that makes the other side upset, because it's not going to get the debate going on any level except for a mudslinging-fest that I'm sure that noone wants to deal with.

I mean, I've got friends that are obese. They're FAT, to be exact. Does that mean that I call them that regularly? No, because I have a general respect for them (and anyone else that I see that's fat, be they friend or foe), and because they find that term derogatory even though it's an accurate description of their bodily state.

[Emperor Fluffzorz]

miyo_esparanza

Freedom Fire

To the pro-lifers:

if you don't want to be called anti-choice or anti-abortion, don't go around calling pro-choicers pro-death, pro-abortion, anti-life, anti-responsibility, baby-killers, or any other names I forgot to mention. Pro-lifers are in general far more guilty of name-calling than we are.

Proof?

Read?

[That Sexy Nerd]

Emperor Fluffzorz

miyo_esparanza

Freedom Fire

To the pro-lifers:

if you don't want to be called anti-choice or anti-abortion, don't go around calling pro-choicers pro-death, pro-abortion, anti-life, anti-responsibility, baby-killers, or any other names I forgot to mention. Pro-lifers are in general far more guilty of name-calling than we are.

Proof?

Read?

Now now children. Play nice.
We ALL call each other names. Its human nature. Now can you move on?

[Kata Samoes]

miyo_esparanza

Deformography

I hold firm to the idea that "anti-choice" is an accurate alternate name for "pro-life." If one were to ask me, I'd say that it's even MORE accurate.

But does that give us the right to use it?

Yes, actually. We're referring to their stance, which is one of anti-choice, the same as the term "pro-life" refers to their stance used in reference.

miyo_esparanza

All that using a term that the lifers find derogatory does is make them not even see our points, whether they're valid or not, because all they can see is us not giving them any respect for whatever reason.

I'm going to give you an example of why arguing against this doesnt work very well.

"All that using our beliefs that the choicers find violating does is make them not even want to bend to their wills, right or not, because all they can feel and know is 'us' not giving them any rights for whatever reason."

Circular logic, much? Like I said before, can't walk on eggshells because someone's offended.

miyo_esparanza

There's no point in using a term that makes the other side upset, because it's not going to get the debate going on any level except for a mudslinging-fest that I'm sure that noone wants to deal with.

And who would start the insults? Anti-choice isn't an insult, but many are taking it that way and making a mountain out of the molehill.

Can't assume slippery slopes here, especially since the mudslinging hasn't happened over the term when used for years now. Can it happen? Yes, in some cases. Will it? Not necessarily.

miyo_esparanza

I mean, I've got friends that are obese. They're FAT, to be exact. Does that mean that I call them that regularly? No, because I have a general respect for them (and anyone else that I see that's fat, be they friend or foe), and because they find that term derogatory even though it's an accurate description of their bodily state.

If your only way to refer them is "fat" when describing them to another, it's correct. Calling it to their face daily? Not necessary.

But notice, how often has someone referred to a lifer, while conversing, as anti-choice except to get a rise? Not many, and those were escalated situations. Not daily chit-chat.

[Mordfabrik]

That Sexy Nerd

Emperor Fluffzorz

miyo_esparanza

Freedom Fire

To the pro-lifers:

if you don't want to be called anti-choice or anti-abortion, don't go around calling pro-choicers pro-death, pro-abortion, anti-life, anti-responsibility, baby-killers, or any other names I forgot to mention. Pro-lifers are in general far more guilty of name-calling than we are.

Proof?

Read?

Now now children. Play nice.
We ALL call each other names. Its human nature. Now can you move on?

Some of us here have the tendency to lord over others and act like they're God by trying to parent those of us who have harsher habits. *coughkatasamoescough*

[Kata Samoes]

Mordfabrik

Some of us here have the tendency to lord over others and act like they're God by trying to parent those of us who have harsher habits. *coughkatasamoescough*

Immature, unnecessary post that had no place in this thread.

Thank you for making it clear of your personal issues. Drop them.

[Mordfabrik]

Kata Samoes

Mordfabrik

Some of us here have the tendency to lord over others and act like they're God by trying to parent those of us who have harsher habits. *coughkatasamoescough*

Immature, unnecessary post that had no place in this thread.

Thank you for making it clear of your personal issues. Drop them.

1. How is stating that you like to keep people on both sides of the debate from name-calling in any way immature? And it was addressing what she was saying, by the way.

2. Oh, yes. Just because I crossed blades with you once or twice before, I now hate you with all the passion in my heart,and want you, your girlfriend, and your family to burn in hell for all eternity.[/sarcasm]

... stare

[GoatShow]

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GoatShow

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I just finished that article about anti-choice women who get abortions. It's so bizarre to me. I hardly know what to say. How can a person be pro-life, and then choose to have an abortion?

Name-calling.

If you're going to nitpick at my diction and derail the thread with useless squabbling over semantics, you had better have a good reason for doing so. Explain yourself.

I refuse to mold my words to your comfort zone. Explain yourself well, or ******** off.

Very well, I'll cut to the chase. It is assumed that you used the term 'anti-choice' instead of the more common and widely known term 'pro-life' to describe the pro-life side in a derogatory manner as a way of adding in an extra little potshot against said side. And I thought that that was kinda funny.

Simply put, you made your side look bad by resorting to childish name-calling when it was unneeded.
And you made me realize that attempting to open up a dialog with you would be fruitless as you have already demonstrated an obvious beef with my side and believe us to be a gaggle of slack-jawed imbeciles.

Is that a sufficient explanation?

[MipsyKitten]

GoatShow

Very well, I'll cut to the chase. It is assumed that you used the term 'anti-choice' instead of the more common and widely known term 'pro-life' to describe the pro-life side in a derogatory manner as a way of adding in an extra little potshot against said side. And I thought that that was kinda funny.

Simply put, you made your side look bad by resorting to childish name-calling when it was unneeded.
And you made me realize that attempting to open up a dialog with you would be fruitless as you have already demonstrated an obvious beef with my side and believe us to be a gaggle of slack-jawed imbeciles.

Is that a sufficient explanation?

If you're not for choice, you're against choice, thus 'Anti-Choice'. If you have a problem with being called Anti-Choice, stop being anti-choice. Simple.