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if pregnacy is a punishment for willingly having sex than were does the man stand in this? it'd be unfair if the woman gets punished & the man just takes off! it takes two people for one to make a fetus.
Hm, I haven't posted here yet. Can't have that.

I'm pro-choice. I'm not entirely sure of my opinion on whether a fetus is a person or not. However, I am sure I would allow no person the same rights illegalizing abortion would give a fetus. No, I don't mean the right to life. I mean the right to life when one's life is entirely dependent on another, unwilling, person. In sum, everyone has a right to life. They don't have a right to anyone else's. Following up on that, if there was a way to remove the fetus without it's death, I would be all for it. Hence why I'm against third-trimester abortions--such dilemnas can be solved with cesarean sections, as the fetus can live independently of the mother and with a willing person.

One might argue, everyone is dependent on everyone else, right? Yes, everyone is dependent on others somewhat. This is called interdependency. If I may use an economics analogy, consumers need producers to produce the goods and producers need consumers to buy the goods. They both need each other equally. The pregnant woman, however, does not in any way dependent on her fetus, but it is entirely dependent on her.

In sum, everyone has a right to life. They just don't have a right to anyone else's.

Gyah, I'm sorry. I haven't posted in a looooooooong time. I'm still a bit out of whack.


Sllllllightly off-topic...
Rylioun Cage: You forgot to mention it's the only good line in the movie. xp
sachiko_sohma
If I do something then yes I would be at fault as well. If I steal, I could in in jail, If I don't show up to work I could get fired and if I have sex I could get pregnant, i'm would be at fault seeing how it didn't just get inside me on my own.
Welcome to blame culture, we make the person at fault so that we absolve ourselves as a society of any responsibility. If she gets pregnant, it's her fault, though it's just what her body does nautrally. If she's poor, it's her own fault for not getting a good job. If she's raped, it's her fault for walking alone at night. If her husband beats her, she shouldn't annoy him so much. It's her fault.

And, even presuming she is a nasty sinning little thing and is at fault, why can't she get an abortion anyway? If I steal a CD I have several options, I can take it back to the shop and appologise, I can keep it, I can sell it on etc. There are ways society would prefer you deal with it, but realistically, it's your own choice how you deal with your actions and the way you deal will affect the rest of your life, you may run a risk by taking it back but less of a risk then if they find you've taken it and kept it.
Statment of my beliefe.

I do not care what the fetus is, I care about the fetus but that's another thing entirely. It could be a parasitic worm or a 45 year old white male, it has NO RIGHT at all to take over the woman's body for it's own medical porpouse without her consent. It's not a case where abortion takes away a right it would have as a born child, it's a case where making abortion illegal give the fetus a right no other person on this planet has, the right to subjegate the woman's body to it's own will.

I feel that the pro-life side is an unsympathetic side. Sure, you same some fetus, and that is a good thing in some ways. I'm not anti-fetus, I'd like every fetus concieved to be born and loved. However, I live in the real world, and here in the real world that isn't always possible. As much as I want the fetus to be born, it can't think and it can't feel and it doesn't care if it isn't born. In fact, the only people in a position to care about the continuation of the life of a given fetus are the parents, their family and friends. However, it is not always possible for the mother to give birth. pregnancy is not a skip through a field is daises, and bringing another person into this world is not something to undertake lightly. While I might like for the poor woman who's working for sub-minimum wage to carry to term should she fall pregnant, I realise that it may well not be possible, it may cost her her job and her home and such. And I can't judge her for that. Those are her circumstances.

It's well and good to crusade for the fetus, but let's not loose sight of the thinking feeling woman it's dwelling in.
It's odd, how I think everything in your life that happens to you, good or bad, is your own damn fault, yet I am pro-choice. Yes, it is the woman and the man's fault if she gets preggers, but then it's her fault if she keeps it or aborts it or puts it in the adoption system. Her fault that she went into the clinic and got her fetus aborted.

And after reading about the those horrible things with the pregnancy, I'm NEVER going to bring a pregnancy to term...

And unwanted children end up screwed up, and I'm making my life's mission to get rid of the screwed up people (yea psychology).

Er, I'm too lazy to try a thesaurus to make the word "fault" sound nicer.
geuss Im pro life I dont agree with abortion
Pyro_unleashed
geuss Im pro life I dont agree with abortion
Care to elaborate on why? Do you feel abortion should be made illegal?

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Crystallyne Vixen
sachiko_sohma
Misty_Watersprite
Nonesuch Solo

Now, listen close: In a perfectly ideal world, there would be NO NEED for abortion.

In a perfectly ideal world, if a fertile, heterosexual couple wanted to have sex but did not want to have a baby, there would be 100% effective methods of birth control that would enable them to ******** their little hearts out and never conceive.

In a perfectly ideal world, nobody would commit rape, thus eliminating the "oh but what if the girl gets preggers from rape?!?!" side of the debate.

In a perfectly ideal world, there would be no need to abort unhealthy fetii (is that the right plural?).

I'd be all for making abortions illegal if I could also find a way to get rid of all the reasons women find for aborting.

If it were my choice, I would keep the baby.

But the law says it isn't my choice unless it's my uterus.

Face it, folks, not all people flying a "Pro-Life" flag are ignorant to the needs of women.


Not that I completely agree - a woman still deserves the rights to her body - but if you can cure my epilepsy I'd give you a cookie. I know it's a long way off yet, and I now know the odds of 'something' going wrong because of it, not just because of the medication I take, but if I get pregnant I'm going to be shitting my pants constantly for the next 9 months.


Only one cookie? Epliesy is like seziurs (sps?) right? You can still live a normal life with them, just have to be careful.
Yeah epilepsy has to do with the electrical signals sent back and forth in the brain. In people suffering from the disorder the signals go haywire every now and then causing seizures. You can cure it by separating the right and left hemispheres of the brain, but then that causes even more problems for the person. Like they could see something, but wouldn't be able to speak what it is.

EDIT: ha ha. I Googled epilepsy to make sure my definition was right and IT WAS! I am one smart cookie!

Misty, can epilepsy be passed down to your children?


I am careful. I've never had more than three drinks in one night, amongst other things. The procedure you described...I'm not sure if all epilepsy can be cured like that, as generalized epilepsy could still give you a partial seizure. And yes, more uber-problems.

Is epilepsy hereditry? Hitler certainly thought so. The Romans thought so. It's NOT. It is only passed on if the epilepsy is part of another, larger brain syndrome, i.e. a symptom. Most of the time when someone tells you they are epileptic they have Primary Generalized Epileptic Syndrome: the one that causes the nightmare-fodder seizures. It is idiopathic; nobody knows where the hell it's come from. On the family tree, nobody above me has it, nobody to the side of me has it, and nobody below me will have it. My brain has screwed itself, not anyone else's. So thankfully, I won't have to worry about passing my condition on; just the SB effect of my meds and any spazzing within that time.

Partial seizures are when the overdose of electrical energy is only in one lobe of the brain. My seizures are all over the brain. You may have heard of an 'aura' that signalls a big fit is on the way; that is a partial seizure. Myoclonic jerks - small split-second muscle jerks on the border of sleep and wakefulness are seizures, and many people have them. If someone has a type of epilepsy called Temporal Lobe Epilepsy, their partial fits are in the bit of brain above the ear, and is operable to cure it. (They take part of the temporal lobe out - proper big brain surgery here.) I've had a partial before...god, they're scary. I didn't know my name, where I was, what I was sup[posed to be doing...it was a good thing Kayleigh stayed with me. I only found out it was a partial when I went to the doctor's the next week.
Depends on the situation. If the girl is underage, got knocked up by an older boyfriend. Is it her fault for not having safe sex? Every action we take there is a price to pay at the end of it. Life is no shopping spree. Doing something stupid, she has to sacrifice a life for it. Infact her own flesh and blood, her childish stupidty will cause death. It shall fall her through out and guilt her. surprised
im quite tired of people who think they can rule over other just because they believe they are right about something.especially when it comes to womens bodies.it is their own and nobody can choose for her what to do with it and all i wanted to say is just get lost and let them choose for themselves.we have no right to force them against their will.
You are not her and never will...just accept it D****T.
that is why we have democracy!!!!
malikpossessed
It's odd, how I think everything in your life that happens to you, good or bad, is your own damn fault, yet I am pro-choice. Yes, it is the woman and the man's fault if she gets preggers, but then it's her fault if she keeps it or aborts it or puts it in the adoption system. Her fault that she went into the clinic and got her fetus aborted.

And after reading about the those horrible things with the pregnancy, I'm NEVER going to bring a pregnancy to term...

And unwanted children end up screwed up, and I'm making my life's mission to get rid of the screwed up people (yea psychology).

Er, I'm too lazy to try a thesaurus to make the word "fault" sound nicer.

...How about "responsibility"? I think that would fit.

Myself, I think there are some things that one isn't responsible for, only because it would be irrational to expect one to seriously consider it. Like, for an extreme, having a meteorite introduce itself to one's house. *grin*

I suppose some responsibility could be taken for things like having one's house burglarized, but after a point I imagine it would be counterproductive to work that way.

...Do you really mean *everything?* Rape, murder, all that?


Oh, right, on-topic: I don't think responsibility can be taken for one's involuntary biological processes. Responsibility for being in the situation, generally, but not for the process. I'm not responsible for my heart beating, only for taking some measures to keep it going.
I do not like abortion. In my point of view, its murder. And its against peoples rights. But supreme court says that a fetus is not born yet and does not have any rights at all. But they should, for they are still human beings and are living things. Even if they are not yet born. But I think abortion is alright under certain areas. Like if a woman is raped or if giving birth to the baby will kill her. Yes, I believe that woman have the right to do whatever they want with their bodies, but if you don't want the baby, don't have un-protected sex in the first place. And aborton is paied by tax payes, I think that if a woman wants an abortion other then rape or endangering her life, she should pay for it herself. I am not sure how much abortions will cost though...
ChupaChub
I do not like abortion. In my point of view, its murder. And its against peoples rights. But supreme court says that a fetus is not born yet and does not have any rights at all. But they should, for they are still human beings and are living things. Even if they are not yet born. But I think abortion is alright under certain areas. Like if a woman is raped or if giving birth to the baby will kill her. Yes, I believe that woman have the right to do whatever they want with their bodies, but if you don't want the baby, don't have un-protected sex in the first place. And aborton is paied by tax payes, I think that if a woman wants an abortion other then rape or endangering her life, she should pay for it herself. I am not sure how much abortions will cost though...


1) Why is a rape fetus biologically worth less than a nondesired fetus created during consentual sex?
2) Most abortions are performed on women who used protection.
3) Taxes DO NOT pay for abortions. Where do people keep hearing that? Because it's a complete and utter fabrication.
The ONLY excusses are if a girl got raped or if the chick's about to die! that's it!

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