The Abortion Debate

[DarkFire168]

Seventh_Son

If you go skydiving, well aware of the risks, and your parachute doesn't open...it's your own damn fault for even taking the risk. But skydiving is strictly recreational, as is sex in THIS context. It is NOT a necessity. Driving a car is.

So let's not get rediculous.

So you shouldn't recieve medical treatment? Good to know, I'll never go sky diving then.

And driving a car is not a necessity it's a convenience.

[Nethilia]

Seventh_Son

So it's perfectly fine, and legal, to kill anyone under 2 remorselessly?

And from a legal standpoint, adulthood doesn't begin until age eighteen; you're undermining the cherished "It's legal, so it's morally right" argument most pro-choicers love to use. Either adhere to what's stated by our LEGAL system or don't. No one's LEGALLY an adult until age 18.

Of course, if you don't live in the US, then forgive me. But rarely is a 12-year-old legally considered to be an adult.

Does it hurt when you slide down that slippery slope?

Legally, a person gets the right to live at birth and not a second sooner (well, unless you can't afford the medical care to keep you alive--then they can pull the plug and leave you to die against your will. Funny, that.)No one is legally a person until they are born.

I am using the medical definions of a child. Neonates nad infants also have the right to live since they have been born. After puberty, regardless of age, a person has an adult body. Not an adult mind, necessarily, but and adult body.

[Alexandra Trannyth]

Articlion

The Great Lina Inverse

Articlion

[I am teh Haruka]

Articlion

Again, being responsible, people need to take control of their lives, and stop using cop out excuses. People aren't man (woman) enough to face up to the cold hard facts, and then they try to cover it up with lies so they can sleep at night.

I'm being responsible by getting an abortion. You may not think so, but I sure do.

It's saving the fetus from being an unwanted child and being unloved. Shoved in an adoption center too.

It's helping me because I don't even want to give birth or go through pregnancy.

Abortion is safer than pregnancy anyway. I'm not going to put my life in danger just because you think it's "wrong". No. What is right for me is up to me to decide, not you.

http://imnotsorry.net I'm sure these women can sleep just fine at night knowing they got an abortion.

Again, have you taken ALL the nessacary procautions? Have you done the rythme method, cervix wall pill and condoms? which in the end, im sure are much cheaper?

Just to show your lack of knowedge in the area of birth control, the "rythme method" is an old wives tale. It doesn't have any benefits whatsoever. Its like telling a girl to jump up and down after sex. Nothing really is going on there.

Besides, there is no 100% failsafe method of birth control. So unwanted pregnancy will, and does occur

Rythm method is based on your biological birthing cylce. IT takes into account how long the egg and sperm live, and the time frame in which would be best to have sex, without pregnancy. Sperm can live 7 days, the egg can live 3 days. So i basically, dont have sex after the first 16 days of menstraution. It is subject to change on specif women, but it still does work, especially when you use other methods along with this one.

So, people can have all the sex they want as long as it's on your terms only. Yeah, I'll keep that in mind the next time I bang my boyfriend. ...except the thought of someone else dictating my sex life aside from the boyfriend (why yes, I have sub tendancies) turns me off. Wow, best birth control of all, right there. Make people too DISGUSTED to have sex. <_<

...nah, I'll just keep having a healthy sex life (once I start having one to begin with) and keep in mind what is best for me and mine.

[CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]]

Articlion

Again, there is a less fail ratio when you use more then one method properlly. And did you know having sex damages your body? DId you know having an abortion can cause infertility? Yes, Oh my goodness, you've just trapt your self. As for the man having a vesectimy, yes that too is a very good method. BUt its the women that doesn't want to get pregnant, Why doesnt she do it herself then.

Do you know that abortion is safter than pregnancy?

Besides, if the man wants to stick his p***s up a woman's v****a and not want her to get pregnant, then he should do something about it also.

Abortion is a way of getting rid of being pregnant anyway.

[Nero Wolf]

Pro-choice.....

[Nethilia]

Articlion

Rythm method is based on your biological birthing cylce. IT takes into account how long the egg and sperm live, and the time frame in which would be best to have sex, without pregnancy. Sperm can live 7 days, the egg can live 3 days. So i basically, dont have sex after the first 16 days of menstraution. It is subject to change on specif women, but it still does work, especially when you use other methods along with this one.

Many women ovulate more than once a month. Many have irregular cycles. Many women ovulate while having their period. I have semi irregular cycles; I know women who have extremely irregular cycles. The rhythm (see, I know how to spell!) method is about as reliable as douching with Coke.

[DarkFire168]

Articlion

Again, there is a less fail ratio when you use more then one method properlly.

But it's still there.

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And did you know having sex damages your body?

Did you know breathing damages your body?

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DId you know having an abortion can cause infertility?

I call bullshit. Prove this or quit saying it.

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Yes, Oh my goodness, you've just trapt your self.

No she didn't, but you did make an asshat out of yourself again.

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As for the man having a vesectimy, yes that too is a very good method.

And yet, it's STILL not 100% effective.

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BUt its the women that doesn't want to get pregnant, Why doesnt she do it herself then.

Because some women want to have children later in life and don't want to get their tubes tied. I'm beginning to see a trend of your lack of respect for women, I don't know if this is your parents fault for poorly teaching you, or because you're Christian, probably a mix of both.

[CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]]

Articlion

nygeel13

I think that abortions should atleast be made available because if they are not, womyn (yes I spell it with a Y...don't go off on me about it) will get them other ways like what happened in the late 60s in the US...bike spokes, and other non-sterile objects were used, and often would create infections where part, or all of the uterus had to be removed.

I just think that it's a personal choice, plus with the law I don't think its possible to have it be a law that you can only get an abortion if you're raped...

Obviously a man hater, if she is afraid to use Men and man in women. How childesh. Abortions shouldn't happen in most cases. If its to save the mothers life from immediate death, then yes, understood. However, becaues you made poor choices, no. Thats your fault. Live with your mistakes.

And you're obviously a woman hater saying things like "Live with your mistakes! Your fault you got pregnant" whatever.

[ShadowIce]

Articlion

Abortions shouldn't happen in most cases. If its to save the mothers life from immediate death, then yes, understood. However, becaues you made poor choices, no. Thats your fault. Live with your mistakes.

Are you saying that it is ok to punish a woman for "making bad decisions" by forcing her to be pregnant? If a woman catches an STD because she made a bad decision, should she be forced to live with the STD in the name of "living with her mistakes?"

[The Great Lina Inverse]

Articlion

The Great Lina Inverse

Articlion

ShadowIce

Articlion

He was making a point that she was irrational. You can't disprove that, because she was being irrational. Again, you are perverting situations. Sex isn't the only way to bond with your loved one. Trying doing a jigsaw puzzle. Foot massages. Back rubs. Love isn't defined by a p***s and v****a meeting.

So, unless people want a baby, they should never have sex? My next door neighbors should stop having sex because they don't want anymore kids, even though they've been married for years? They should just substitute back rubs for sex for the rest of their lives?

I don't think people are actually going to do that.

If they are done having kids, get your tubes tied, use contraceptives. I think its a little more inconvieniant to get an abortion then use contraceptives.

Oh ******** this. I'm losing my temper with you, squirt. Why in the hell will I go under a very invasive procedure when a man can walk in, get a vascetomy, and walk right out? As a woman, a vascetomy is a procedure that will keep me in the hospital. Besides, I'm not violating my body and my rights so you won't get the ickies over my abortion.


And how many times MUST we tell you, all forms of protection FAIL.

Again, there is a less fail ratio when you use more then one method properlly. And did you know having sex damages your body? DId you know having an abortion can cause infertility? Yes, Oh my goodness, you've just trapt your self. As for the man having a vesectimy, yes that too is a very good method. BUt its the women that doesn't want to get pregnant, Why doesnt she do it herself then.

So instead of stepping up to the plate, you'll make a woman go under an unnecessary procedure that is irreversible. (Did you know that a vasectomy is?) Sex has not been proven to harm your body. Sex HAS been proven to be a great anti-depressant because it causes your body to excrete dopamine, which is the chemical that causes a person to feel euphoria.

Yes, I know abortion can cause infertility. Did you know that giving birth can too? Oh, and that giving birth can KILL a woman? But that doesn't matter to you, does it? Just as long as we save the "babbies" since women must be punished for having a sexual drive.

Again, because you seem to completely ignore me and everybody else, there IS NOT A 100% FAIL-SAFE METHOD. Not with two, three, or four forms of proection. I had a girlfriend get pregnant using the pill AND a condom. So thus disproves your theory.

[Alexandra Trannyth]

Nethilia

Articlion

Rythm method is based on your biological birthing cylce. IT takes into account how long the egg and sperm live, and the time frame in which would be best to have sex, without pregnancy. Sperm can live 7 days, the egg can live 3 days. So i basically, dont have sex after the first 16 days of menstraution. It is subject to change on specif women, but it still does work, especially when you use other methods along with this one.

Many women ovulate more than once a month. Many have irregular cycles. Many women ovulate while having their period. I have semi irregular cycles; I know women who have extremely irregular cycles. The rhythm (see, I know how to spell!) method is about as reliable as douching with Coke.

Ew, the coke/mountain dew method. Sticky, upsets the ph balance of the v****a, and potentially causes yeast infections and UTI's! I suppose those -would- keep me from having sex much but... xd

[Zero Fail]

Articlion

nygeel13

I think that abortions should atleast be made available because if they are not, womyn (yes I spell it with a Y...don't go off on me about it) will get them other ways like what happened in the late 60s in the US...bike spokes, and other non-sterile objects were used, and often would create infections where part, or all of the uterus had to be removed.

I just think that it's a personal choice, plus with the law I don't think its possible to have it be a law that you can only get an abortion if you're raped...

Obviously a man hater, if she is afraid to use Men and man in women. How childesh. Abortions shouldn't happen in most cases. If its to save the mothers life from immediate death, then yes, understood. However, becaues you made poor choices, no. Thats your fault. Live with your mistakes.

see, the problem with that is that there are people that are going to get them anyways even if they were made illegal, black market abortions, whatever you want to call them. Since this is definate fact, if you look back to the 1960s there are many instances of black market abortions, many in which ended with infections. I'd rather people do something safe instead of DIY...oh, and why does my non existant hatred of men have to do with this at all?

[Nethilia]

Articlion

Again, there is a less fail ratio when you use more then one method properlly. And did you know having sex damages your body? DId you know having an abortion can cause infertility? Yes, Oh my goodness, you've just trapt your self. As for the man having a vesectimy, yes that too is a very good method. BUt its the women that doesn't want to get pregnant, Why doesnt she do it herself then.

Prove that sex damages your body.

Pregnancy does damage your body and can cause infertility. So using your logic that any risk means stopping and activity, we'll have to halt reproduction. I'll be sad since I really wanted kids, but I'm sure the VHEM(is that right?) will be delighted.

Why should the burden of reproduction be onthe woman? Men are just as responsible for having mobile sperm.