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Moniquill
DiGital Lucifer

Well it's a fact that the sexually-active age range is begining at as young as eleven. Possibly it might be a concern that talking about it would be like talking to a bunch of high-schoolers; possibly having a negative effect on any of the younger kids who haven't been involved yet? More so from influence from friends that have.


I have NEVER understood this whole 'preverving innocence' BS. We know that they eventually WILL be involved in it at some point in thier lives. Why wait to tell them? Do we wait to explain fire saftey to kids until after they've been in a fire for fear of them becoming interested and comitting arson?


I wonder if one can argue that teaching a child about fire can get them started as a arsonist because of the knowledge of what the fire can do as opposed to any concern of how it hurts..
Natas Ferret
Cauis_Refanius
And while we're on the subject, you can produce certain amounts of dopamine and serotonin by smiling.
Where did you get this?

Cauis_Refanius
And If we did need it how do you explain monks or nuns?
You mean people who choose to abstain from sex? They don't compare to people who choose to have sex.
What's to expalin? Nuns and monks choose celibacy.


And to the first question: it was stated quite some time ago.

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DiGital Lucifer
Then stop harassing me about it.
I don't even care about them honestly; because as it stands.. They are no longer a reality. Though, possibility isn't a question anymore.
If you want to research it yourself, do it without me. It's old news I've discussed between you and Moniquill; the conclusion was that they are irrelevant since research and development has completely stoped.

Oh.. BTW.. The reason I don't have a link is because it's old and I'm lazy.
But I had shown it before.


That's BS and you know it. Artificial wombs have been talked about since science fiction of the 1930's, if not before.

Cloning has largely been halted, at least as far as humans are concerned. You'd think that if artifical wombs were viable scence we'd be hearing about research on artificial sheep wombs and such. We haven't. Not even concerning the fight about laws and the changing thereof.
Cauis_Refanius
Natas Ferret
Cauis_Refanius
And while we're on the subject, you can produce certain amounts of dopamine and serotonin by smiling.
Where did you get this?

Cauis_Refanius
And If we did need it how do you explain monks or nuns?
You mean people who choose to abstain from sex? They don't compare to people who choose to have sex.
What's to expalin? Nuns and monks choose celibacy.


I was reffering to human needs as a whole. Or is the general consensus stating that monks and nuns are inhuman?


Different humans have different needs. If I don't eat a LOT, I wont be able to function (know I'm not fat btw I have a fast metabolism I can even show you pics if you chose not to believe) but my friends can eat a lot less than me. So are you going to tell me to cut my eating in half to conserve food just because other people can eat less?
Children who aren't wanted won't be good members of society. Or aren't very likely to, anyway. They go on and produce more children who won't be brought up right because their grandmothers had to abort because they were harrassed into not getting one.

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Moniquill
DiGital Lucifer

Well it's a fact that the sexually-active age range is begining at as young as eleven. Possibly it might be a concern that talking about it would be like talking to a bunch of high-schoolers; possibly having a negative effect on any of the younger kids who haven't been involved yet? More so from influence from friends that have.


I have NEVER understood this whole 'preverving innocence' BS. We know that they eventually WILL be involved in it at some point in thier lives. Why wait to tell them? Do we wait to explain fire saftey to kids until after they've been in a fire for fear of them becoming interested and comitting arson?


I wonder if one can argue that teaching a child about fire can get them started as a arsonist because of the knowledge of what the fire can do as opposed to any concern of how it hurts..


Why not, if fundies can argue that teaching kids about sex will get them started as juvenile sex fiends? Or that providing access to condoms just encourages kids to have all kinds of rampant sexual escapades.
Cauis_Refanius
I was reffering to human needs as a whole.
Um, that's great and all, but doesn't answer where you pulled that smiling can produce certain chemicals.
I could believe the mood, that could have a by-action of smiling, but not the act of smiling itself.
But, really, where did you get that bit of information? i would like to read it.

Cauis_Refanius
Or is the general consensus stating that monks and nuns are inhuman?
Whisky Tango Foxtrot?
Where did you pull that notion from? I mean, aside from your arse.
Ok... Now ya'll are just pissing me off with this s**t..
You want a link, have a link. Eat your comments about me too. stare


http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/phil/blphil_ethbio_wombs.htm
DiGital Lucifer
http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/genbio/biolink/student/olc2/g-bioe-17.htm
Thank you, for the link.
Now, was that really so difficult to link?

Granted, it doens't actually go into the research, or who did the research. But, it's a start.

And another decent one. Thanks for that.
A Promiscuous Pirate
Cauis_Refanius
Natas Ferret
Cauis_Refanius
And while we're on the subject, you can produce certain amounts of dopamine and serotonin by smiling.
Where did you get this?

Cauis_Refanius
And If we did need it how do you explain monks or nuns?
You mean people who choose to abstain from sex? They don't compare to people who choose to have sex.
What's to expalin? Nuns and monks choose celibacy.


I was reffering to human needs as a whole. Or is the general consensus stating that monks and nuns are inhuman?


Different humans have different needs. If I don't eat a LOT, I wont be able to function (know I'm not fat btw I have a fast metabolism) but my friends can eat a lot less than me. So are you going to tell me to cut my eating in half to conserve food just because other people can eat less?


Metabolism, like anything else can be changed. If you eat a little less a little at a time working your way down, you could lower your metabolism by near half. Not that I'm saying you have to. Btw I never assumed you were fat I have a fast metabolism as well^_^.
Cauis_Refanius
Natas Ferret
Cauis_Refanius
And while we're on the subject, you can produce certain amounts of dopamine and serotonin by smiling.
Where did you get this?

Cauis_Refanius
And If we did need it how do you explain monks or nuns?
You mean people who choose to abstain from sex? They don't compare to people who choose to have sex.
What's to expalin? Nuns and monks choose celibacy.


I was reffering to human needs as a whole. Or is the general consensus stating that monks and nuns are inhuman?


Denying sexual desire and lust is unhealthy for the psyche, but you can do it just like you can live with out parental love or physical interactions in your early life. It just causes certain imbalances in hormones and such.

Sex is infact a human need, it's like you can live with few ammounts of food, you don't need to eat more than your actual needs yet you do eat whenever you feel "hungry" your body doesn't need it all, we could make little machines to measure out your basic needs by blood samples and hair samples and such, and give you just what you need of carbonhydrates, fat and proteins, and measure it out with the ammount of movement and work load you do. You'd live perfectly well on that.
Cauis_Refanius
Goddess Hekate
divineseraph
calling sex a "need" is idiotic. food is a need. we DIE without food. sleep is a need. we DIE without sleep, we must sleep. we need warmth. we DIE without warmth. we need air. we DIE without air. we need shelter, unless you live in a warm, stormless area, or else you DIE. you will not die without sex, it is not a need, but a frivolity that has gotten a bit too important on the minds of the corrupt.


Did we not read clearly what was said?
In Social Animals Sex is a need as it forges *LE GASP* Social interaction.
Take primates (chimps who share at leats 98% of our genes) have sex for fun and to be social, they even have lesbian sex, they masturbate too.
Why do they do this? Because looking for flees on each other isn't enough, so if you're down have some sex.

It releases an overwhelming amount of natural happy hormones, Serotonin and Dopamine and a whole range of other natural high feel-goods.
Do you know what lowered levels of serotonin does to the human body? It pushes it into clinical depression (Not the boohoo sad for me, but actual depression) what does depression cause? A whole range of physical sympoms show up, insomnia, head aches, tension in shoulders and neck, bad stomach, and more.

Sex as said before in this long post is also done for social interaction, when you share something which you deem important with the one closest to you, you feel connected to them in a great way, sure you can have sex both as a stress release and as a way to forge connections.

Now see, sex has become a need. Why is it a physical need? Because it has to do with the body and it's natural chemistry.


Ahh but then does a monkey terminate it's children if when partaking in this "social interaction results in child? No. And while we're on the subject, you can produce certain amounts of dopamine and serotonin by smiling. So there are ways to produce it other than "doing the nasty". Which kind of blows the theory of it being a need to hell. And If we did need it how do you explain monks or nuns?

O and before you argue that monkeys don't abort because they're monkeys, and therefore lack the higher thought to do so remember also you justified you actions with thier own. You can't have it both ways.

Are you saying that a person can't have both biological wants and needs and also intelligent thought?

Sex is something that most humans crave, it is a physical and mental "need" at a certain stage of human developement, in the same way that social contact and verbal stimulation are "needs" at stages of human developement. There is a certain maturity and understanding that comes along with sex, along with different emotional and chemical responses that really cannot be achieved in any other way.

Abortion is a solution to the problem of unwanted pregnancy. Humans have practiced abortion in one form or another for much longer than written human history extends. The ancient Egyptions had a herbal abortion. I think that plant was Rue, is that right?

How does that fact that both humans and monkeys crave sex for social and bond reasons negate abortion? Humans are overpopulated, and in no danger of dying out anytime soon. Personally, I feel that abortion is a responsible choice for many women to make.
No one has yet answered how it's responsible to make a supposedly irresponsible person have a child.
DiGital Lucifer
Hey, smart a**, didn't you remember that release form that teachers were required to send home for parents? And it was their choice if their child wouldn't be active in class for those parts? rolleyes


Yes, and I remember quite well it usually pertained to movies/films, not the lessons themselves.

For further inactivity, I also remembered the teachers would tell the parents they would need to speak to the PRINCIPAL about it. Then, it goes out of the fault for "proper education" and into personal problems.

I'm not an idiot.

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