The Abortion Debate

[Cauis_Refanius]

Mistress DragonFlame

Cauis_Refanius

Ok let me make this clear...again. Rape cannot be helped. It wasn't her fault. And on a lighter note, my spelling I will admit at times is quite bad but your comment mam is quite offensive in nature and I am most offended.

He is not making fun of you, but the idea itself. The idea you're trying to press on us is completely stupid, and therefore we will spell it like it is viewd.

On another note, pregnancy is just a sad afteraffect of sex. Pleasure is first and formost when some people have sex. Other wise, why would lesbians/gays every have sex? The ones who can't have kids?

Excuse my impatience. I'm sorry to have come across as a hot head and to answer your question honestly. My main concern is morals, ethics, ect.
Therefore I have a problem answering why a homosexual would even exist let alone take part in sex with a member of the same sex.
Some things I have an open mind to others, well I can't support, justify or even hypothetically explain.

[ShadowIce]

Cauis_Refanius

Excuse my impatience. I'm sorry to have come across as a hot head and to answer your question honestly. My main concern is morals, ethics, ect.
Therefore I have a problem answering why a homosexual would even exist let alone take part in sex with a member of the same sex.
Some things I have an open mind to others, well I can't support, justify or even hypothetically explain.

I've never understood why people who dislike abortion also dislike homosexuality. I've never heard of an abortion coming out of homosexual sex. Eh. Oh well.

As for "why," there is no "why." Things just happen. You deal with them. That's life. You might as well ask why nature made it so that so many human pregnancies never come to term. And I'm not talking abortion. I'm talking failure to implant, DNA combinations incompatible with life, and so on.

[WatersMoon110]

Cauis_Refanius

There's that word again. Punishment. How about this one. Responsability. Try it on. If the shoe fits...

How is getting an abortion not responsible?

The choice to get an abortion is never an easy one, and is made after a lot ot thought on the matter. By aborting an unwanted pregnancy, a woman is saying that she is not ready to raise and care for a child, so she isn't going to have one.

A non-responsible way to deal with an unwanted pregnancy is to ignore it, then give birth in an alley and throw the child in a dumpster.

Abortion is a way to take responsibility for getting pregnant, and a way to correct that mistake.

Why should a woman have to ruin her's and a child's life just because you seem to think that it is the only way for her to be responsible?

[Mistress DragonFlame]

Cauis_Refanius

Excuse my impatience. I'm sorry to have come across as a hot head and to answer your question honestly. My main concern is morals, ethics, ect.
Therefore I have a problem answering why a homosexual would even exist let alone take part in sex with a member of the same sex.
Some things I have an open mind to others, well I can't support, justify or even hypothetically explain.

Homosexuals exist because of a connection in the brain. The sexual desire 'switch' is set to men, instead of women (for guys), and vice versa for women. Or, at least, that is how a show I watched explained it.

They, and I for that matter, still feel a sex drive, and will act upon it. Just because they're attracted to the same sex doesn't mean they have no sexual desire. Also, it is a human desire to bond with another through sex, as sex can change/help a relationship.

So, that moots that point. Sex =/= reproduction alone.

[WatersMoon110]

ShadowIce

Cauis_Refanius

Excuse my impatience. I'm sorry to have come across as a hot head and to answer your question honestly. My main concern is morals, ethics, ect.
Therefore I have a problem answering why a homosexual would even exist let alone take part in sex with a member of the same sex.
Some things I have an open mind to others, well I can't support, justify or even hypothetically explain.

I've never understood why people who dislike abortion also dislike homosexuality. I've never heard of an abortion coming out of homosexual sex. Eh. Oh well.

I don't get it either, but I usually assume that it is because of their religion. Actually, I usually assume that all Pro-Lifers are that way because of their religion. I can't think of any Pro-Life arguments that don't boil down to: because God says so.

[Cauis_Refanius]

There is another alternative to pills or condems that is near 100% sure to stop pregnancy. You can have your tubes cut and tied. It's a real surgery I'm not suggesting some mutilation of inards are anything.If your having sex, condem, pills whatever but you are still physically capable of a child you should be prepared to have one. It's what sex is. A reproductive system.

[Mistress DragonFlame]

WatersMoon110

I don't get it either, but I usually assume that it is because of their religion. Actually, I usually assume that all Pro-Lifers are that way because of their religion. I can't think of any Pro-Life arguments that don't boil down to: because God says so.

Believe it or not, there are people who are pro-life who are not religious. Their arguments, for the most part, are better because they don't use the Bible in any light at all.

[Beatrix the catgirl]

Cauis_Refanius

There is another alternative to pills or condems that is near 100% sure to stop pregnancy. You can have your tubes cut and tied. It's a real surgery I'm not suggesting some mutilation of inards are anything.If your having sex, condem, pills whatever but you are still physically capable of a child you should be prepared to have one. It's what sex is. A reproductive system.

If you could find someone who would actually do that surgery, feel free to send them my way.

Moniquill has requested many times for the operation, but because she is young and has no children, she was refused.

And even those methods are not 100% effective.

And when I have sex, I do it to have sex and bond with my husband, NOT to reproduce.

[WatersMoon110]

Cauis_Refanius

There is another alternative to pills or condems that is near 100% sure to stop pregnancy. You can have your tubes cut and tied. It's a real surgery I'm not suggesting some mutilation of inards are anything.If your having sex, condem, pills whatever but you are still physically capable of a child you should be prepared to have one. It's what sex is. A reproductive system.

Doctors will not sterilize a woman under 25 years of age. And not only is this a horrible painful surgery, with a long recovery time, it will hurt a lot once a month for the rest of your "reproductive" years. And some women want children later, just not right now, this isn't a sollution for them.

[Goddess Hekate]

Mistress DragonFlame

Cauis_Refanius

Excuse my impatience. I'm sorry to have come across as a hot head and to answer your question honestly. My main concern is morals, ethics, ect.
Therefore I have a problem answering why a homosexual would even exist let alone take part in sex with a member of the same sex.
Some things I have an open mind to others, well I can't support, justify or even hypothetically explain.

Homosexuals exist because of a connection in the brain. The sexual desire 'switch' is set to men, instead of women (for guys), and vice versa for women. Or, at least, that is how a show I watched explained it.

They, and I for that matter, still feel a sex drive, and will act upon it. Just because they're attracted to the same sex doesn't mean they have no sexual desire. Also, it is a human desire to bond with another through sex, as sex can change/help a relationship.

So, that moots that point. Sex =/= reproduction alone.

That's the way many primates use sex, simply as a way to be sociable *LE GASP* Did I uncover the secret of the world of sex!? OMGZ LOLZ yes I did! Lets face it sex is related to social interactions in many animals and humans aren't different even if we've become so shy about it, I mean it's a p***s, it's a v****a and breasts now get over it, it's not like they are foreign to anybody. (sry about that)

Social animals have sex for the purpose of feeling good, humans need interactions and since we can't always be looking for flees in the hair of our fellow humans we have sex with the ones we care about.

[Cauis_Refanius]

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As for "why," there is no "why." Things just happen. You deal with them. That's life. You might as well ask why nature made it so that so many human pregnancies never come to term. And I'm not talking abortion. I'm talking failure to implant, DNA combinations incompatible with life, and so on.

And with so many of those complications that happen to people that want children how can you tell them "O I'm sorry you can't have children, we almost had one but we decided against it and killed it in the womb..."

[Mistress DragonFlame]

Cauis_Refanius

There is another alternative to pills or condems that is near 100% sure to stop pregnancy. You can have your tubes cut and tied. It's a real surgery I'm not suggesting some mutilation of inards are anything.If your having sex, condem, pills whatever but you are still physically capable of a child you should be prepared to have one. It's what sex is. A reproductive system.

Simply by being alive I prove the first part wrong. I'm the result of a comdom accident. Go me!

You can also get pregnany after you got your tubes cut/tied. But, besides that, I will pay you to find me a doctor who'll do it on me, right now. But, none will. Why? Because, I'm 17, and never had any kids. Hell, it's difficult as ******** for me to get an IUD!

I thought we already discussed this. Sex =/= reproductive only.

[ShadowIce]

Cauis_Refanius

There is another alternative to pills or condems that is near 100% sure to stop pregnancy. You can have your tubes cut and tied. It's a real surgery I'm not suggesting some mutilation of inards are anything.If your having sex, condem, pills whatever but you are still physically capable of a child you should be prepared to have one. It's what sex is. A reproductive system.

1) People who don't want to have kids not necessarily never want to have kids
2) That operation don't always prevent pregnancy
3) Good luck finding a doctor that will do tie the tubes of a young woman with no health problems or children.

And again, no, sex is not producing a child. If it was, sex would produce more pregnancies. Women would go into heat. But that't not the way it is.

And I still don't care what sex was "meant" for.

[CB_Young]

Cauis_Refanius

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As for "why," there is no "why." Things just happen. You deal with them. That's life. You might as well ask why nature made it so that so many human pregnancies never come to term. And I'm not talking abortion. I'm talking failure to implant, DNA combinations incompatible with life, and so on.

And with so many of those complications that happen to people that want children how can you tell them "O I'm sorry you can't have children, we almost had one but we decided against it and killed it in the womb..."

It is not my job, nor the job of any other woman to be a broodmare foor the childless.

There are 500,000 children in the US alone looking to be adopted, there are millions more arround the world. They can adopt one of them.

[ShadowIce]

Cauis_Refanius

And with so many of those complications that happen to people that want children how can you tell them "O I'm sorry you can't have children, we almost had one but we decided against it and killed it in the womb..."

1) It is not a child

2) It is not my job to spend my life making babies for people who can't have their own.

3) If you want a kid, there are thousands out there who needs homes. Go get one.