The Abortion Debate

[ShadowIce]

I'm still going with, "It's not a person, so it's not wrong to kill it."

[divineseraph]

caela_rue

renegade4891

then why can't you take responsibility.

Once again; getting an abortion is considered taking responsibility.

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It's like fire. You no it burns then why touch it. You know sex can lead to unwanted pregnancy so you take your chance.

Because-unlike messing about with open flames-having sex with my boyfriend is the best way for me to pair-bond with him.

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If you get pregnant blame yourself but don't kill a living being. It is not his fault you wanted pleasure

I don't place blame on anyone in that situation. It is no more the fault of the fetus than it is of the woman, since neither one of them had any control over conceiving. It's not like women are equipped with a switch that says "Conception ON/OFF". It happens without the woman's consent.

oh please. sex is completely voluntary and you know it. look at the bullet analogy- by this logic, even if you shoot someone, it's not your fault, as a bullet entering a body part is not a consentual choice, although pointing the gun and pulling the trigger are. so, by this idiotic logic you spew, shooting someone is not murder since YOU did not physically insert a bullet into them, it happened on it's own. the courts would laugh you out of the building.

[Katsuya Ishtar]

divineseraph

caela_rue

renegade4891

So all you care is about your sex, for the pleasure.

If that's all she's using it for, should she be caring about anything else?

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You would only abort to not have the responsibility of taking care of a child even though it is your fault for having sex.

Unless she typed out her reasons for wanting to abort and then edited them out rather quickly, you don't know what her reasons for wanting to abort are. Don't judge others.

Again-how is it her fault for becoming pregnant? It takes two to tango, and two to conceive. Why does she get all the blame?

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Like I said it is understandible if your body is not able to carry a baby but it is stupid to abort because you just don't want to take responsibilities

Getting an abortion is a responsible thing to do, if you don't want to be pregnant. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less responsible.

well try being responsible without killing then.

Why? I hate any human who can't control its own colon and bladder, thus I will abort. If the fetus can't survive without me, not my fault.

[CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]]

divineseraph

[I am teh Haruka]

renegade4891

then why can't you take responsibility. It's like fire. You no it burns then why touch it. You know sex can lead to unwanted pregnancy so you take your chance. If you get pregnant blame yourself but don't kill a living being. It is not his fault you wanted pleasure

And why should I do what you want me to?

It's my pregnancy, not yours. When you get pregnant, you can do whatever the hell you want with it. Don't butt into other people's sex lives.

i doubt he gives two shits about your sex life. i know i don't. i care about the life you would throw away to get it. i butt into people killing for something so fleeting and petty as personal pleasure.

You're still butting into other people's pregnancies and telling them "well if u dun wanna get pregs dan dunt hav sexx!!1"

[Reinna Astarel]

divineseraph

[I am teh Haruka]

renegade4891

then why can't you take responsibility. It's like fire. You no it burns then why touch it. You know sex can lead to unwanted pregnancy so you take your chance. If you get pregnant blame yourself but don't kill a living being. It is not his fault you wanted pleasure

And why should I do what you want me to?

It's my pregnancy, not yours. When you get pregnant, you can do whatever the hell you want with it. Don't butt into other people's sex lives.

i doubt he gives two shits about your sex life. i know i don't. i care about the life you would throw away to get it. i butt into people killing for something so fleeting and petty as personal pleasure.

So naturally, you're a vegan too, right?

I mean, geez, killing so many hundred of thousands of animals each year just to please your tastebuds.

[CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]]

Drop the bullet analogy. It doesn't even make any sense.

[divineseraph]

[I am teh Haruka]

divineseraph

[I am teh Haruka]

renegade4891

then why can't you take responsibility. It's like fire. You no it burns then why touch it. You know sex can lead to unwanted pregnancy so you take your chance. If you get pregnant blame yourself but don't kill a living being. It is not his fault you wanted pleasure

And why should I do what you want me to?

It's my pregnancy, not yours. When you get pregnant, you can do whatever the hell you want with it. Don't butt into other people's sex lives.

i doubt he gives two shits about your sex life. i know i don't. i care about the life you would throw away to get it. i butt into people killing for something so fleeting and petty as personal pleasure.

You're still butting into other people's pregnancies and telling them "well if u dun wanna get pregs dan dunt hav sexx!!1"

yes. because sex is what causes pregnancy.

[Reinna Astarel]

divineseraph

oh please. sex is completely voluntary and you know it. look at the bullet analogy- by this logic, even if you shoot someone, it's not your fault, as a bullet entering a body part is not a consentual choice, although pointing the gun and pulling the trigger are. so, by this idiotic logic you spew, shooting someone is not murder since YOU did not physically insert a bullet into them, it happened on it's own. the courts would laugh you out of the building.

By aiming, and pulling the trigger, you get to control where the bullet goes. If I put the gun at your head, and pull the trigger, there is one possibility, you dying, and I can control it. There is no "risk" of you dying. If I pull the trigger, you die. The end.

As versus sex. Even with the p***s in the v****a, there are a multitude of possibilities. The most probably possibility- no baby. Nothing. The second, far less probably possibility, there is a baby. The baby is the risk, the less likely possibility, not the only one.

[_C r y s t a l_RB]

renegade4891

[I am teh Haruka]

renegade4891

[I am teh Haruka]

renegade4891

SEX was made to reproduce. That is why wen you ******** your body release the liquid it release. If not then a man would not through semen

So maybe in the past people just used sex for reproduction.

But now there's more than one reason why people do it.

If I find myself pregnant any time soon, I'm getting an abortion.

So all you care is about your sex, for the pleasure. You would only abort to not have the responsibility of taking care of a child even though it is your fault for having sex. Like I said it is understandible if your body is not able to carry a baby but it is stupid to abort because you just don't want to take responsibilities

Ever thought that people who abort are not capable of being good parents?

Maybe they don't have enough money to go through pregnancy? $3000 in the US to give birth and that doesn't include any other complications or doctor visits.

Would you trust a woman who's forced to be pregnant when she doesn't want to be? She would probably do anything to get rid of that fetus inside her. Possibly killing herself in the process.

then use a condom or a toy

I'm sensing another pro-punishment male. Why do people constantly see pregnancy as a consequence? Aren't consequences for bad things? I don't see sex as a bad thing. Maybe the fact that I've never been forced to go to church has something to do with it.

[Reinna Astarel]

divineseraph

yes. because sex is what causes pregnancy.

Going outside your house, and/or driving are what cause car accidents.

Naturally, to prevent those, we should outlaw both of the causes.

[CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]]

divineseraph

[I am teh Haruka]

divineseraph

[I am teh Haruka]

renegade4891

then why can't you take responsibility. It's like fire. You no it burns then why touch it. You know sex can lead to unwanted pregnancy so you take your chance. If you get pregnant blame yourself but don't kill a living being. It is not his fault you wanted pleasure

And why should I do what you want me to?

It's my pregnancy, not yours. When you get pregnant, you can do whatever the hell you want with it. Don't butt into other people's sex lives.

i doubt he gives two shits about your sex life. i know i don't. i care about the life you would throw away to get it. i butt into people killing for something so fleeting and petty as personal pleasure.

You're still butting into other people's pregnancies and telling them "well if u dun wanna get pregs dan dunt hav sexx!!1"

yes. because sex is what causes pregnancy.

So? I can choose to remain pregnant or not.

[ShadowIce]

divineseraph

yes. because sex is what causes pregnancy.

Nooo, sperm hitting egg is what causes pregnancy. Thus, you don't even need to have sex to get pregnant.

Which is why toys, a**l sex, and oral sex can all lead to pregnancy. Be careful where the guy's seman ends up, people.

[divineseraph]

[I am teh Haruka]

Drop the bullet analogy. It doesn't even make any sense.

it makes perfect sense. you say pregnancy is involuntary? just as involuntary as a bullet entering a body part. pulling the trigger=sex. the bullet hitting the body=pregnancy. they are just as voluntary. if abortion is ok due to this idiotic law of yours, that it is not completely physically voluntary, then projectile homocide is ok as well- even if they use a knife, technically... the blood pouring from their body isn't YOYR fault, bleeding is involuntary, after all.
rolleyes

[CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]]

divineseraph

[I am teh Haruka]

Drop the bullet analogy. It doesn't even make any sense.

it makes perfect sense. you say pregnancy is involuntary? just as involuntary as a bullet entering a body part. pulling the trigger=sex. the bullet hitting the body=pregnancy. they are just as voluntary. if abortion is ok due to this idiotic law of yours, that it is not completely physically voluntary, then projectile homocide is ok as well- even if they use a knife, technically... the blood pouring from their body isn't YOYR fault, bleeding is involuntary, after all.
rolleyes

When I aim the gun at your head and pull the trigger, you die.

If I have sex, I have a chance to get pregnant or not. Women don't have a switch that says "Pregnancy? YES or NO" it just happens.

[divineseraph]

[I am teh Haruka]

divineseraph

[I am teh Haruka]

Drop the bullet analogy. It doesn't even make any sense.

it makes perfect sense. you say pregnancy is involuntary? just as involuntary as a bullet entering a body part. pulling the trigger=sex. the bullet hitting the body=pregnancy. they are just as voluntary. if abortion is ok due to this idiotic law of yours, that it is not completely physically voluntary, then projectile homocide is ok as well- even if they use a knife, technically... the blood pouring from their body isn't YOYR fault, bleeding is involuntary, after all.
rolleyes

When I aim the gun at your head and pull the trigger, you die.

If I have sex, I have a chance to get pregnant or not. Women don't have a switch that says "Pregnancy? YES or NO" it just happens.

alright, make it a revolver with one bullet. and what do you do BEFORE you get pregnant, exactly? back to the bullet- I didn't kill him, the BULLET did it. IT was the thing that went into his head and killed him, it "just happened".