The Abortion Debate

[EveningStar]

Cynderbolt

EveningStar

Pro-life personal, pro-choice political

That's me in a nutshell.

Frankly, and this is a graphic image (so warning there).....but I couldn't see myself doing this:

-image snip-

The image is an aborted 11 week baby.

As tasty as that is, no. Just no. By the way, the term is fetus, not baby. If it were a baby, it would be fully formed. Also, the source site isn't what I would consider "medically hip" so sorry.

Actually, the source site isn't where I first found this image, but I felt their image was a better one.

[JANUX 99]

Cynderbolt

EveningStar

Pro-life personal, pro-choice political

That's me in a nutshell.

Frankly, and this is a graphic image (so warning there).....but I couldn't see myself doing this:

-image snip-

The image is an aborted 11 week baby.

As tasty as that is, no. Just no. By the way, the term is fetus, not baby. If it were a baby, it would be fully formed. Also, the source site isn't what I would consider "medically hip" so sorry.

Not to be imposing.. But the term baby is still accepted for a fetus. Medically they have removed the term; for an obvious reason.
As for any source.. You should be concerned with it's accuracy and consious to it's intensity [like how often you see it]. Otherwise, you'll allways base your information blindly.

[Alexandra Trannyth]

EveningStar

Cynderbolt

EveningStar

Pro-life personal, pro-choice political

That's me in a nutshell.

Frankly, and this is a graphic image (so warning there).....but I couldn't see myself doing this:

-image snip-

The image is an aborted 11 week baby.

As tasty as that is, no. Just no. By the way, the term is fetus, not baby. If it were a baby, it would be fully formed. Also, the source site isn't what I would consider "medically hip" so sorry.

Actually, the source site isn't where I first found this image, but I felt their image was a better one.

So, where DID you find the image, and why is this image 'better'? Is it the same exact image, or cropped or better quality...or just one that's different and more graphic?

[mommogirl]

Beatrix the catgirl

mommogirl

foxpaws

I'm kinda for men's rights as in they should not even be asked to have to pay child support or anything.

Just wondering why?

T.i.a.

Because why should he have to if he doesn't want any part in the child's life just because the woman does?

Because he had a part in making the child?

I guess if the woman goes against the man's wishes, and does not abort, then I can understand the man not paying child support, but if the man and the woman together decide not to abort, its party his desision, shouldn't he pay? (of course, most guys who do that would probably pay anyway...)

Moot point?

T.i.a.

[EveningStar]

Alexandra Trannyth

EveningStar

Cynderbolt

EveningStar

Pro-life personal, pro-choice political

That's me in a nutshell.

Frankly, and this is a graphic image (so warning there).....but I couldn't see myself doing this:

-image snip-

The image is an aborted 11 week baby.

As tasty as that is, no. Just no. By the way, the term is fetus, not baby. If it were a baby, it would be fully formed. Also, the source site isn't what I would consider "medically hip" so sorry.

Actually, the source site isn't where I first found this image, but I felt their image was a better one.

So, where DID you find the image, and why is this image 'better'? Is it the same exact image, or cropped or better quality...or just one that's different and more graphic?

http://www.ccbrinfo.ca/graphics/unmaskingchoice2.jpg

I just felt the one I showed was larger and easier to see.

[JANUX 99]

mommogirl

Because he had a part in making the child?

I guess if the woman goes against the man's wishes, and does not abort, then I can understand the man not paying child support, but if the man and the woman together decide not to abort, its party his desision, shouldn't he pay? (of course, most guys who do that would probably pay anyway...)

Moot point?

T.i.a.

Consider this...

How well would that work? Most men that I've seen have kids say they are happy, say they want it, say they will help. Some even go as far as claiming a life change because of it.
Then the next thing you know.. They aren't around, refuse to support in any way, claim it's not their kid and deny all the things they claimed they'd give.

It's not as common as I make it sound, though in rough parts of the 'woods' it's alot more common than I made it sound.
But because of this, wouldn't such a system help screw a mother potentially?

[TPauSilver]

mommogirl

Beatrix the catgirl

mommogirl

foxpaws

I'm kinda for men's rights as in they should not even be asked to have to pay child support or anything.

Just wondering why?

T.i.a.

Because why should he have to if he doesn't want any part in the child's life just because the woman does?

Because he had a part in making the child?

I guess if the woman goes against the man's wishes, and does not abort, then I can understand the man not paying child support, but if the man and the woman together decide not to abort, its party his desision, shouldn't he pay? (of course, most guys who do that would probably pay anyway...)

Moot point?

T.i.a.

I'd agree with this, which is why I believe there should be a kind of parenting contract you sign when concpetion is acnowledged, anyone who signs is it held legally responsible for the child after birth, if either parent declines to sign they have no responsibility. It can of course be appealed at a later date but it would provide an approximate outline. If nobody signs the kid would be taken into care.

[Alexandra Trannyth]

Ah, and on THAT site it says the picture comes from abortionNO.com ...I can see how unbiased THAT site is. <_<

[JANUX 99]

TPauSilver

I'd agree with this, which is why I believe there should be a kind of parenting contract you sign when concpetion is acnowledged, anyone who signs is it held legally responsible for the child after birth, if either parent declines to sign they have no responsibility. It can of course be appealed at a later date but it would provide an approximate outline. If nobody signs the kid would be taken into care.

Definetly not a bad idea.
But I must ask.. How would you enforce a broken contract?
Could you?
I mean.. Child support is court appealed most of the time, but it's common to have instances of men refusing to pay or dissapearing from the state; which doesn't a federal appeal become required to enforce in another state? Not sure on that one, correct me if I'm wrong.

[JANUX 99]

Alexandra Trannyth

Ah, and on THAT site it says the picture comes from abortionNO.com ...I can see how unbiased THAT site is. <_<

What's wrong with that?
You aren't biased to biased behavior are you?

[JANUX 99]

DiGital Lucifer

TPauSilver

I'd agree with this, which is why I believe there should be a kind of parenting contract you sign when concpetion is acnowledged, anyone who signs is it held legally responsible for the child after birth, if either parent declines to sign they have no responsibility. It can of course be appealed at a later date but it would provide an approximate outline. If nobody signs the kid would be taken into care.

Definetly not a bad idea.
But I must ask.. How would you enforce a broken contract?
Could you?
I mean.. Child support is court ordered most of the time, but it's common to have instances of men refusing to pay or dissapearing from the state; which doesn't a federal appeal become required to enforce in another state? Not sure on that one, correct me if I'm wrong.

[TPauSilver]

DiGital Lucifer

TPauSilver

I'd agree with this, which is why I believe there should be a kind of parenting contract you sign when concpetion is acnowledged, anyone who signs is it held legally responsible for the child after birth, if either parent declines to sign they have no responsibility. It can of course be appealed at a later date but it would provide an approximate outline. If nobody signs the kid would be taken into care.

Definetly not a bad idea.
But I must ask.. How would you enforce a broken contract?
Could you?
I mean.. Child support is court appealed most of the time, but it's common to have instances of men refusing to pay or dissapearing from the state; which doesn't a federal appeal become required to enforce in another state? Not sure on that one, correct me if I'm wrong.

You couldn't force them to pay, we can't force them to pay now, but we could conclude that a higher proportion might pay as they've agreed from the outset to pay instead of saying they won't but the courts trying to make them.

[EveningStar]

Alexandra Trannyth

Ah, and on THAT site it says the picture comes from abortionNO.com ...I can see how unbiased THAT site is. <_<

What does the direction of the site have anything to do with the picture?

The picture is what it is. I didn't make any refrences to what the site had to say or anything.

In fact, I've already said that I PERSONALLY would not do such a thing. However, I do not believe I have the right to tell someone else what they can or can not do with their bodies / fetus / children...or whatever you want to call it politically.

The picture was making a statement as in why I would be unable to do it, and why I can't understand why other people do it. I never said that you should not do such a thing, or that you can't.

sheesh.

[Sanjou]

I think that abortion is wrong in general, and should not be accepted, even if the woman and the child both die.

[Alexandra Trannyth]

DiGital Lucifer

Alexandra Trannyth

Ah, and on THAT site it says the picture comes from abortionNO.com ...I can see how unbiased THAT site is. <_<

What's wrong with that?
You aren't biased to biased behavior are you?

Why no, but when using sources for a debate that has two differently thinking sides it is best to use neutral sources rather than ones that speak of "This is inherently Good" or "This is inherently Evil"

[Edit] To elaborate, I do not trust people who feel very passionately about something to not doctor and/or sway information and images to make something seem more or less extreme in a positive or negative way than it really is.