The Abortion Debate

[Katsuya Ishtar]

North Star

You're right, all you pro-choice people.

Let's just have chicks out there with they're legs wide open and decide they don't want the baby, (seeing as they're irresponsible, immature and 'emo'), go to a local family doctor or Satanist and abort life.

THAT... my dear friends, is smart.

Where is the rationalism?
Where is the brains?
Where is the care?

Abortion should be given to girls under extreme circumstances;

- Rape.

If you don't want a baby, don't be out there with unprotected sex and with your legs wide-open. talk2hand

Most Satanists are not medically certified to perform abortions. They do not give abortions during their mass.

What, so everyone who has sex is a slut? Even if they are married, have children and yet do not want more? Even if their birth control failed? Even if theydon't plan on being married, but live with their boyfriend/girlfriend who they plan on living with till death like a marriage?

And if you develop or have something where being pregnant and giving birth can kill you, you can't have an abortion, according to you... I mean, it is an extreme circunstance which you failed to mention.

I shall return later, I have dinner to eat...

[Nethilia]

North Star

Coming from someone who fires right back, I don't expect comprehension. heart

Fine. Why are rape fetuses allowed to be aborted, and not those concieved during consentual sex? Furthermore, can you prove the rape?

[terraforcer]

Nethilia

North Star

You're right, all you pro-choice people.

Let's just have chicks out there with they're legs wide open and decide they don't want the baby, (seeing as they're irresponsible, immature and 'emo'), go to a local family doctor or Satanist and abort life.

THAT... my dear friends, is smart.

What's wrong with all this?

--Local family doctors don't perform abortions, thanks to the stigma and lack of training.
--Women who want abortions aren't "irresponsible, immature, and "emo."; those are emotionally charged and judgemental words.
--Baby is not a medical term.
--The idea of punishing people because "they opened their legs" with pregnancy and childbirth is abhorrent.

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Where is the rationalism?
Where is the brains?
Where is the care?

I could say the same about a side that assumes any woman who would seek abortion to be a loose, immature slut.

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Abortion should be given to girls under extreme circumstances;

- Rape.

Ther's no biological difference between a rape-concieved fetus and consentual sex-concieved one. Allowing for rape but not for anything else shows that you wish to punish women for having sex you don't like by making them stay pregnant. What a horrible reason for a person to be born.

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If you don't want a baby, don't be out there with unprotected sex and with your legs wide-open. talk2hand

Because these women climbed on top of themselves, shot off a load, and got pregnant. I didn't know femsem worked outside of bad fanfiction.

By having concented to having sex, protected or not, you are thus concenting to the possibility of getting pregnent. And I believe it to be very irressponsible to be using abortion as a form of birth control.

[Moniquill]

[CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]]

North Star

You're right, all you pro-choice people.

Definately.

North Star

Let's just have chicks out there with they're legs wide open and decide they don't want the baby,

Got a problen with me sleeping around?

North Star

(seeing as they're irresponsible, immature and 'emo'),

What's being "responsible"? What's being "immature"? What's being "emo"?

Define what you think those are.

North Star

go to a local family doctor or Satanist and abort life.

Yeah. If you wanna think of it like that.

North Star

THAT... my dear friends, is smart.

I know. Aborting unwanted fetuses is smart. That way, we won't have any more unwanted children overpopulating this world!

North Star

Where is the rationalism?
Where is the brains?
Where is the care?

Why are being so ignorant?

North Star

Abortion should be given to girls under extreme circumstances;

- Rape.

Abortion should be an option for every woman.

North Star

If you don't want a baby, don't be out there with unprotected sex and with your legs wide-open.

If you don't want a baby, use protection and keep your legs wide open if you really want to!

Don't tell me what to do.

North Star

talk2hand

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[My credit card number is]

North Star

First, I'd like to know your source.

Second, how old are these 'married' women? 17-married-too-early-too-first-guy-that-spoke-sweet-to-her? Or a 40 year old soccor mom?

Irresponsible.

Immature.

'Emo'.

Ugh. Hokay. So.

1. Not all women who have sex are sluts.
2. Not having sex isn't exactly a realistic solution, as humans are sexual beings.
3. What if somebody who has sex takes all the appropriate precautions but still gets pregnant? Beatrix who recently had a child was on birth control when she became pregnant. Does that make her immature or irresponsible?

Don't generalize. It's a terrible way to argue. Regardless of the statistics of 40-year-old soccer moms to 17-year-old sluts, just because a 17-year-old slut is immature and irresponsible does not mean the 40-year-old soccer mom is. There will always be some of both.

That being said, do you propose we punish women, mature and responsible or not, for getting pregnant in the first place?

[North Star]

Emiri Insane

North Star

Emiri Insane

North Star

You're right, all you pro-choice people.

Let's just have chicks out there with they're legs wide open and decide they don't want the baby, (seeing as they're irresponsible, immature and 'emo'), go to a local family doctor or Satanist and abort life.

THAT... my dear friends, is smart.

Where is the rationalism?
Where is the brains?
Where is the care?

Abortion should be given to girls under extreme circumstances;

- Rape.

If you don't want a baby, don't be out there with unprotected sex and with your legs wide-open. talk2hand

Interestingly enough, the majority of abortions are performed on married women who already have children. If you are so irresponsible, immature, and "emo" then you shouldn't be having children anyway.

First, I'd like to know your source.

Second, how old are these 'married' women? 17-married-too-early-too-first-guy-that-spoke-sweet-to-her? Or a 40 year old soccor mom?

Irresponsible.

Immature.

'Emo'.

2/3 of women who have abortions are married.
80% of women having abortions are over 18.

Once again, why would an immature person have a child?

If you remember the forum you're in, this isn't about an immature person having a child. This is an immature person having a child then killing it. heart biggrin

[Nonesuch Solo]

Moniquill

melieche

VII. Facing The Consequences of Your Actions - The Punishment Mentality
Maybe you would view it as a punishment for a little bit, but then maybe you'd look forward to a child. But if you're young and still in school, gosh. I'm sorry. If you get an abortion you are weak.

In my view, it is more weak to bear a child that you neither want nor are able to care for simply because you can't face the thought of aborting it.

It is weak to do what you believe is the right thing?

Nethilia

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X. Adoption.
If you REALLY don't want it, pregnancy won't screw your life up forever. In a few months you're back to normal. If you adopt it out to a loving family it will have a better life.

It is not the job of the unwillingly pregnant to remain so because selfish, rick couples can buy the perfect baby they want and ignore older children in need of homes.

The more I hear from Choicers about how adoption is EVIL and we should abort as often as possible because there are currently too many needy children in the System that need homes, the more I wonder if I should feel GUILTY because I was a white baby and if I hadn't been born, some child who was a different color, or older or less healthy than I could have had my parents instead.

I should apologize for the SELFISH actions of my birthmother.

I am SO SORRY! One of you other kids could have had my parents!

My birthmother was SO SELFISH! to keep her genetic line going by not aborting me once she decided she wasn't going to keep me!

I'm getting damn tired of people arguing the morality of adoption, but I suppose it's a huge facet in the current debates on the topic of abortion.



...I'll continue through these recent pages at a later time.

[Nethilia]

terraforcer

By having concented to having sex, protected or not, you are thus concenting to the possibility of getting pregnent. And I believe it to be very irressponsible to be using abortion as a form of birth control.

I consent to the risk of pregnancy. I do not consent to keeping or maintaining a pregnancy. Much like, by getting in a car, I consent to the possibility of a car accident. But I don't consent to being left to die in the car.

Many people are not taught proper birth control or contraception. Thanks to a nation that seems to think that teaching sexual safety is the equivalent of telling teenagers to ******** in public in front of Grandma, many people don't know much of anything about sexual protection or how sex works. If we taught swimming safety the same way we taught sex ed, people would drown left and right.

[Emiri Insane]

North Star

Emiri Insane

North Star

Emiri Insane

North Star

You're right, all you pro-choice people.

Let's just have chicks out there with they're legs wide open and decide they don't want the baby, (seeing as they're irresponsible, immature and 'emo'), go to a local family doctor or Satanist and abort life.

THAT... my dear friends, is smart.

Where is the rationalism?
Where is the brains?
Where is the care?

Abortion should be given to girls under extreme circumstances;

- Rape.

If you don't want a baby, don't be out there with unprotected sex and with your legs wide-open. talk2hand

Interestingly enough, the majority of abortions are performed on married women who already have children. If you are so irresponsible, immature, and "emo" then you shouldn't be having children anyway.

First, I'd like to know your source.

Second, how old are these 'married' women? 17-married-too-early-too-first-guy-that-spoke-sweet-to-her? Or a 40 year old soccor mom?

Irresponsible.

Immature.

'Emo'.

2/3 of women who have abortions are married.
80% of women having abortions are over 18.

Once again, why would an immature person have a child?

If you remember the forum you're in, this isn't about an immature person having a child. This is an immature person having a child then killing it. heart biggrin

But that's infanticide. Infanticide has nothing to do with abortion. neutral

You, it seems, believe and irresponsible and immature person should be forced to have children. Why?

[_C r y s t a l_RB]

North Star

You're right, all you pro-choice people.

Let's just have chicks out there with they're legs wide open and decide they don't want the baby, (seeing as they're irresponsible, immature and 'emo'), go to a local family doctor or Satanist and abort life.

THAT... my dear friends, is smart.

Where is the rationalism?
Where is the brains?
Where is the care?

Abortion should be given to girls under extreme circumstances;

- Rape.

If you don't want a baby, don't be out there with unprotected sex and with your legs wide-open. talk2hand

Protection FAILS hun. Sorry to burst your bubble. Maybe some day when you're engaged/married and want to be intimate with your significant other you'll understand.

P.S.
I am SUCH A SLUT for having sex, while using birth control pills, with my fiance. When will I learn? rolleyes

[Moniquill]

terraforcer

Treacherous Desire

There are some conditions in which childbirth would almost certainly mean the death of the patient.

Can you imagine a person who is lacking the clotting agent in their blood giving BIRTH? Hemoraging?

Pregnancy can be far more serious than an injury.

In todays society, due to our medical advances there are very few situations in which a person who becomes pregnent can say at that moment will be in a life threatening situation.

Also as for a person who's a hemopiliac, and their clotting agents do not work properly, they shouldn't be getting pregnent as is, because as soon as they have sex for the first time, their hymen would break and they would bleed to death before they had the chance to become pregnent.

Um, you do know that the whole 'hymen breaking' thing is pretty much optional, right? I so didn't bleed my first time. Like, at all. Because there was adequate forplay and lube involved.

[Kata Samoes]

North Star

First, I'd like to know your source.

Second, how old are these 'married' women? 17-married-too-early-too-first-guy-that-spoke-sweet-to-her? Or a 40 year old soccor mom?

Irresponsible.

Immature.

'Emo'.

State your source. Not your opinion.

I'm sure you've heard of statistics, right?

Click this link, then.

North Star

If you remember the forum you're in, this isn't about an immature person having a child. This is an immature person having a child then killing it. heart biggrin

Fancy that. Another opinion.

[Moniquill]

North Star

First, I'd like to know your source.

Second, how old are these 'married' women? 17-married-too-early-too-first-guy-that-spoke-sweet-to-her? Or a 40 year old soccor mom?

Irresponsible.

Immature.

'Emo'.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

1/3 of all abortions are married or previously married women.

Over 60% of abortions are among women who have had 1 or more children.

52% of U.S. women obtaining abortions are younger than 25: Women aged 20-24 obtain 33% of all abortions, and teenagers obtain 19%

How, pray tell, does emo tie inot this at all? Last I checked it was a style of music and aesthetic design surrounding that style of music...

[theRETARDEDmarshmallow]

Which do pro-lifers care about more?

A fetus that's aborted?
Or a 2 year old that got killed by her own mother?

Personally, I mourn for the 2 year old. Not a fetus who cannot think or feel.