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Do you agree evolution should be taught?

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ReesesPeanutButterCun t

Well that's the christian right for ya'. If it somehow conflicts with religion don't teach it. Bullshit.


XD that's the thing though, since there is a separation of church and state... and public schools are paid for by the state... christians have no right to disagree with the edu. plan set up by the states BOE. They do have a right however to send their child to a school that teaches something other than evolution...
Evolution should be taught using genetics and biology as the basis for it's explanation... I've seen so much misinformation given about the process it makes me angry...
DestineChaos
ReesesPeanutButterCun t

Well that's the christian right for ya'. If it somehow conflicts with religion don't teach it. Bullshit.


XD that's the thing though, since there is a separation of church and state... and public schools are paid for by the state... christians have no right to disagree with the edu. plan set up by the states BOE. They do have a right however to send their child to a school that teaches something other than evolution...

Yup, and the funny thing is my mom and I had a 5 hour argument about this last night, or rather this morning. I said the same thing to her, and it seems the christian right believes that taking God out of school is destroying society.
Crazyjust4u
I don't know much about dark energy, but I've heard several debates over the issue of Evolution. I'll look into the energy thing though. And, what you have just said is exactly what I'm talking about. Too often Evolution is treated as fact but you've said yourself "Evolution is regarded as fact" just because it was simply regarded as or treated as fact does not make it a fact. For thousands of years Christanity was regarded as fact. By your logic. It must have been fact back then. But, wait how could they both be fact? You tell me.


The theory of evolution, provided a sufficient change in the body of knowledge may be demonstrated as incorrect. There has been no such change. No test of the theory of evolution has yet been constructed that shows it to fail to make appropriate predictions. If you have evidence for such a test, present it. Otherwise, it may be regarded as fact.

As for the even/process/whatever of evolution itself, it is an observed, undeniable fact. Do you deny the differences between dogs and wolves? The development of an immunity to pesticides? The development of immunity to antibiotics?

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And, ID does not deny observed phenomenon at all. Quite the contrary.


The concept of irreducible complexity does not conform with observed reality and subtractive changes. Simple as that. The basis of ID does not fit reality.

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In fact there have been numerous times where complex organisms have been found in the oldest observed layers of the earth's crust where Evolutionists say organisms of far less complexity than what was observed.


Evidence.

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But by trying to disprove my case you have helped it You said "It was the result of a series of well defined phenomena." you showed that more than one event would have to take place. That is where the statistics come in for how improbable that would be for it to happen without some other powerful logical force affecting it.


Show your statistical calculations. Not merely the end result, but the actual statistical calculations that say it is near impossible for a star system like ours to exist.

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I'm sorry but your comparrison of generations to intermediate species is almost comical. By that logic we would be a totally different species from our parents or grandparents. That's not to say there aren't differences in our mental and social behavior those along with numerous other things do change from generation to generation however we are all humans Homo-sapiens (if someone is reading this and isn't human I'd definetly like to meet them) descendants of other Homo-sapiens.


Immediately, yes, the changes are not significant, but such generational trends are evolution. There are physical characteristics that change from generation to generation in a progressive manner. If the human population were small, such changes would propagate quickly and substantial changes could be observed in a handful of generations resulting in major differences. The size of the human population, however, and the lack of a major selective process tends to slow things down resulting in only minor structural changes.

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Intermediate species and the observation of them is much more about physical attributes. For example for a monkey to turn to a human (yes I know this isn't real Evolutionary beliefs I'm using it as a simple example) there would have to be species over time changing. A monkey's descendants begining to walk upright theirs to have arms shorter than legs, etc. For this to occur it would go through many generations and with our scientific advances we'd be able to find examples of such species yet there aren't such examples. I'm hearing a lot of people say "But there are!" PROVE IT!


Species time line of human evolution
Another timeline branching into other apes

If you notice, they show a development from one to another. As the next species becomes more dominant, the previous species starts to disappear.


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That quote by Darwin is a direct quote and I can provide sources to back that up. Now, I've used some of your quotes in this post. They were direct quotes which I used to further disprove your point is that quote mining? I'd say no. If you do think otherwise please tell me.


Please state the quote for me. Also, you really did not use my quotes against me. I used the terminology you ewere using when referring to the theory of evolution and here I have made a distinction between the theory of evolution and evolution. I also further explained the quotes which you seemed to attempt to use against me.
TheAggressor777
Separation of church and state. 'Nuff said. No evolutionary theories in the classroom. That's all there is to it. You should have to apply for a class to learn about Darwinism, not be taught as curriculum material. Catholics despise Darwin and all he taught. Imagine the look on their faces when they hear their 4-year-old saying "Mommy, I learned that we evolved from apes today! Is that true?"
Ah. Darwinism isn't part of religion though. It is a highly proved scientific theory. Simple as that. It shoudl be taught.
Ok- You can't teach one without the other.
I think anyway.
I would like to have a better understanding of the two before I decided to just go for one and not give the other a chance.
I think evolution should be taught along side every other sienctifice theory and as a sienctific theory. It is part of learning but teachers and schools should not overstep there boundes by saying it is a truth instead of a theory. It is the job of the teachers, and us to learn not for them to dictate to us what is truth. Sienctific theory is important but that is what it is a theory.
libitina13
Ok- You can't teach one without the other.
I think anyway.
I would like to have a better understanding of the two before I decided to just go for one and not give the other a chance.


Why can't you teach one without the other? One is the foundation of modern biology (evolution) and well tested while the other is groundless claims that cannot be tested via the scientific method (creationism/intelligent design).
Phantom_Rayzer
I think evolution should be taught along side every other sienctifice theory and as a sienctific theory. It is part of learning but teachers and schools should not overstep there boundes by saying it is a truth instead of a theory. It is the job of the teachers, and us to learn not for them to dictate to us what is truth. Sienctific theory is important but that is what it is a theory.


Do you even know what a scientific theory is? No? Thought not. A scientific theory has been tested and demonstrated to make correct predictions. So, we have one qualification that intelligent design fails: it cannot be tested and it cannot make predictions. Furthermore, the theory of evolution describes a process observed, measured, and repeated in nature: evolution. Thus, it is a well tested and demonstrated idea that makes accurate predictions about a physical process. The competing theories to the theory of eovlution do none of these and thus are not:
1.) Scientific.
2.) Theories.

But anyways, a theory may be regarded as an undeniable fact since it makes accurate, well tested predictions about a physical process. Consider all the other theories out there:
Do you doubt matter is made of atoms?
Do you doubt that bacteria can cause disease?
Do you doubt that gravity exists?
Phantom_Rayzer
It is part of learning but teachers and schools should not overstep there boundes by saying it is a truth instead of a theory.

Yeah, germs, cells, and gravity are only theories too. How dare teachers talk about them as if they were truth. They're scientific theories, but come on. They're just theories.
Phantom_Rayzer
I think evolution should be taught along side every other sienctifice theory and as a sienctific theory. It is part of learning but teachers and schools should not overstep there boundes by saying it is a truth instead of a theory. It is the job of the teachers, and us to learn not for them to dictate to us what is truth. Sienctific theory is important but that is what it is a theory.


I think you need to understand the difference between a hypothesis and theory.
At the moment something is a scientific theory it has been tested far enough to state it is the truth until something disproves it.
Which has not yet happened with evolution.
Kat Dance
People shouldn't make such a big stink over whether or not evolution and creationism should be taught in schools. By my way of thinking, evolution can be scientificly proven to be correct, therefore, there should be no debate on whether or not to teach it in science classes... Conversely, creationism can not be proven...

So "creationism"(I prefer to call it Christianity. Whatever happened to that? Is it now no longer a word?) can't be proved. And neither can the Big Bang. The Earth has to come from somewhere, I think humans weren't meant to know. Did you know that before Darwin died, he rejected his theory of evolution? And now, humans think that apes are "evolutioning into humans again". They've been seen using primitive tools to hunt. So in three(hundred, was it?) million years, no more monkeys. Scientists love the phrase "__ million years" If they don't believe Jesus ever existed, how come, if "there have been billions and billions of years," we're only in the year 2007? Where does BC turn into AD for the scientists? Really, don't believe them. When it comes to evolution, it's all junk.
Beyond_Oblivion
Phantom_Rayzer
I think evolution should be taught along side every other sienctifice theory and as a sienctific theory. It is part of learning but teachers and schools should not overstep there boundes by saying it is a truth instead of a theory. It is the job of the teachers, and us to learn not for them to dictate to us what is truth. Sienctific theory is important but that is what it is a theory.


Do you even know what a scientific theory is? No? Thought not. A scientific theory has been tested and demonstrated to make correct predictions. So, we have one qualification that intelligent design fails: it cannot be tested and it cannot make predictions. Furthermore, the theory of evolution describes a process observed, measured, and repeated in nature: evolution. Thus, it is a well tested and demonstrated idea that makes accurate predictions about a physical process. The competing theories to the theory of eovlution do none of these and thus are not:
1.) Scientific.
2.) Theories.

But anyways, a theory may be regarded as an undeniable fact since it makes accurate, well tested predictions about a physical process. Consider all the other theories out there:
Do you doubt matter is made of atoms?
Do you doubt that bacteria can cause disease?
Do you doubt that gravity exists?

Wo man slow down what is with the anger i am not saying that Intelligent design should be taught in schools. SO take a chill! I do not doubt that matter is made of atoms, i do not doubt that bacteria can cause disease, And yes gravity is not made up.
I am religous but that does not mean i should force my views on young students, the same should be done as far as evolution is concerned. I agree it should be taught but not by a teacher who is against the idea that Intelligent design could be the answer.
I had a teacher who told me that no matter what i thought or belived that man evolved from apes. It is up to each individal to decide truth for themselfs, I hate to see it when someone comes on these threads and fights tooth and nail for one side.
Personaly my view is that both can be explaned throught Quantum reality. But that doesnt mean i should say my way or the high way.
Gregon of Harrow
Phantom_Rayzer
It is part of learning but teachers and schools should not overstep there boundes by saying it is a truth instead of a theory.

Yeah, germs, cells, and gravity are only theories too. How dare teachers talk about them as if they were truth. They're scientific theories, but come on. They're just theories.

Ok i must have been misunderstood i used the word theory perhaps a little to lightly i will admit but what i meant was to say that you shouldnt try to rule out faith by saying that evolution is fact.
Beyond_Oblivion
libitina13
Ok- You can't teach one without the other.
I think anyway.
I would like to have a better understanding of the two before I decided to just go for one and not give the other a chance.


Why can't you teach one without the other? One is the foundation of modern biology (evolution) and well tested while the other is groundless claims that cannot be tested via the scientific method (creationism/intelligent design).

I don't know. That's just the way I think.
I like being fair.

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