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La Veuve Zin
lumnata
Concrete Nonsense

Have you ever heard of a**l?
Oral?
Mutual masturbation?
Vasectomies?
Sex toys?
Anything ringing any bells?
So essentially.... not having sex (except a**l)...


How disgustingly phallocentric. What kind of feminist believes sex has to involve a p***s? Why do you think we have a clitoris? For oral sex, obviously. Why was oral sex invented? So we can orgasm without risking pregnancy. 3nodding


C'mon, Veuve Zin! And do that twist! rolleyes

Nice work. You exclude women who enjoy vaginal sex, and when lumnata calls you out on it you accuse her of being the one dismissing people's sexual preferences. I can't believe your consistent dishonesty.

ALSO: Your idea that women should only have vaginal sex when they're menstruating limits them to sex only about seven days a month. Heh, NO.

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PhaedraMcSpiffy
La Veuve Zin
Getting sterilized isn't impossible, either; I'm waiting for my gyno to get back to me with a referral.


Good luck with that. Most doctors refuse to perform a tubal ligation on a woman unless she is over a certain age and/or already has multiple children. It's not impossible, but it almost might as well be.


Apparently it's not almost impossible, because my gyno knows I've never been pregnant.

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You still don't get to enjoy sex in the way that you'd like.


And I don't get to drive the way I like, keep all the money I earn, or post tubgirl in this thread. Life sucks. qq moar.

Now where's my proof that I would be a second-class citizen without legal abortion?

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PhaedraMcSpiffy
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No, it isn't. It's barely been two months.


I'm pretty sure that was a Circumcision thread Circumcision thread that got Chatterboxed in 2009. I only know because I forgot to unsubscribe from it :/

Also the 'My Posts' doesn't even go back that far, it can't have been 2 months only.


Actually, it was this that Setar was referring to:
Abortion: Right or Wrong? (pro-life or pro-choice?)
Miku Akayuki on Friday, March 19th 2010
Pro-choice mostly, but leaning towards pro-life in some areas.

I think it's easier in the long run to promote abstinence, especially considering those couples who KNEW the risks, but decided to make a stupid decision anyway. "We didn't have a condom", wait until you can get one.

Now if you'd discussed it ahead with your partner and were planning to have a kid (assuming you've made all the preparations and took all the precautions you could) if having the baby will absolutely 100% kill you (ie: if the egg is fertilized in the fallopian tubes) AND the baby, then it could be aborted. This is where I'm pro-choice.

If it's predicted that the child might be deformed, I still don't think that's a good reason to not give the child the chance. Just because you think they're miserable, doesn't mean they actually are. If that was the case, we could abort all the children who might grow up to be suicidal. This is where I'm pro-life.

As for rape, I think the mother should carry it, then if need be adopt it out, or choose godparents. The 2nd being the better option. Look for a couple yourself who maybe have trouble having kids, and then have a private adoption.


I was still sure it was made earlier than a couple of months ago 0.o

Well I was right about it being Chatterboxed anyways...

Actually the one thing I said right in there that I still believe is this.

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If it's predicted that the child might be deformed, I still don't think that's a good reason to not give the child the chance. Just because you think they're miserable, doesn't mean they actually are. If that was the case, we could abort all the children who might grow up to be suicidal.


This is assuming the parents planned on having a kid of course. I can't exactly mandate that, but I frown upon it if they do that.
La Veuve Zin
PhaedraMcSpiffy
La Veuve Zin
Getting sterilized isn't impossible, either; I'm waiting for my gyno to get back to me with a referral.


Good luck with that. Most doctors refuse to perform a tubal ligation on a woman unless she is over a certain age and/or already has multiple children. It's not impossible, but it almost might as well be.


Apparently it's not almost impossible, because my gyno knows I've never been pregnant.


Congratulations. Once again, you've based your opinion on the assumption that everyone else is as fortunate as you. You've never had birth control fail, so other women MUST be irresponsible! Your gynecologist has agreed to give you a tubal, so it MUST be just that easy for everyone else!

Your privilege, your willful ignorance and your complete lack of empathy make it nearly impossible to have this conversation with you. You can't imagine, and don't care, what it might be like to be faced with an unwanted pregnancy. It must be nice living in a nice little bubble where your perception of the entire world is based on your experiences. But outside that bubble, everyone is as lucky as you.

"God forbid you ever have to walk a mile in her shoes.
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose."

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You still don't get to enjoy sex in the way that you'd like.


And I don't get to drive the way I like, keep all the money I earn, or post tubgirl in this thread. Life sucks. qq moar.


If you're going to be this callous and cruel in your condemntion and control of other people's sex lives, say so in the first place. Don't try to flip it around and say that we're the ones dismissing and insulting other people's sexual preferences.

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Now where's my proof that I would be a second-class citizen without legal abortion?

There is no compromise in the situation of unwanted pregnancy. Either the fetus has a right to life that suprecedes the woman's right to freedom, or vice-versa. Dodge it, twist it all you want, but criminalizing women forces them to endure pregnancy and childbirth against their will. They are being subjugated for the sake of a fetus. The fact that they think and feel and suffer is ignored because some people believe that a fetus is sacred.

If I got pregnant, Zin, people like you would force me to give up my rights, my body, my safety, my health, my freedom, my morals, and possibly even my very life because of their superstitions.

And you are laughing about that! It makes me sick.

If you had your way, a woman's rights would go out the window the second a zygote hit her uterine lining. THAT is second class citizenship. Placing the whims of the majority over the well-being of a minority makes them second-class citizens.
PhaedraMcSpiffy
"God forbid you ever have to walk a mile in her shoes.
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose."


That's not even that good a song.
La Veuve Zin
Having vaginal sex only during your period isn't impossible, either.
How nice that you have a nice regular enough period that allows you to calculate exactly when you are ovulating and for exactly how long you will be fertile! My periods range from 18-35 day cycles, with each period lasting 7-8 days. So tell me how that particular method is supposed to work out for me?
lumnata
La Veuve Zin
Having vaginal sex only during your period isn't impossible, either.
How nice that you have a nice regular enough period that allows you to calculate exactly when you are ovulating and for exactly how long you will be fertile! My periods range from 18-35 day cycles, with each period lasting 7-8 days. So tell me how that particular method is supposed to work out for me?
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La Veuve Zin
lumnata
Concrete Nonsense

Have you ever heard of a**l?
Oral?
Mutual masturbation?
Vasectomies?
Sex toys?
Anything ringing any bells?
So essentially.... not having sex (except a**l)...


How disgustingly phallocentric. What kind of feminist believes sex has to involve a p***s? Why do you think we have a clitoris? For oral sex, obviously. Why was oral sex invented? So we can orgasm without risking pregnancy. 3nodding
Thus the "new word" ("debatably" ) I made up in another post in this thread on this topic. But when you're talking about PIV sex, which I was, then yes, it has to involve a p***s. And how do I know we were talking about PIV sex? Because we were talking about getting pregnant (or trying not to). Sure, one can engage in millions of other pleasurable activities, but none of these are the PIV sex we were talking about. That's like saying "if you want a pleasurable activity, go read a book instead of have sex!"
La Veuve Zin
PhaedraMcSpiffy
La Veuve Zin
Getting sterilized isn't impossible, either; I'm waiting for my gyno to get back to me with a referral.


Good luck with that. Most doctors refuse to perform a tubal ligation on a woman unless she is over a certain age and/or already has multiple children. It's not impossible, but it almost might as well be.


Apparently it's not almost impossible, because my gyno knows I've never been pregnant.
And obviously, if one does not want children NOW they will NEVER want children. Sterilization for everyone!
PhaedraMcSpiffy
Testament of Death
PhaedraMcSpiffy

One time me and some other pro-choicers were arguing with a guy who said that abortion should be illegal, and then went on to explain to us ladies that we pee through our vaginas. rofl

That's horrible. Some people should not be allowed to debate this topic.
Did he eventually see your point of view?

No. He was pretty stubborn and really didn't care. The whole thing started when he said that our sex organs are for eliminating waste and making babies, not pleasure. When somebody is willing to condemn the idea of sex for the sake of pleasure as selfish and immoral (and therefore should be punished), there's usually no getting through to them.

Did his name happen to be Kaworu by any chance?

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well i don't think people always have rights over their own bodies. i mean, we put people in jail--we force their bodies in a certain cell for a few years, so that's kinda the same thing as being pregnant. plus, pregnancy is something men will never have to experience. so to force a woman to not have an abortion isn't necessarily sexist because men simply don't experience it. if men could have babies, i would still want men to not have abortions either.
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well i don't think people always have rights over their own bodies. i mean, we put people in jail--we force their bodies in a certain cell for a few years, so that's kinda the same thing as being pregnant. plus, pregnancy is something men will never have to experience. so to force a woman to not have an abortion isn't necessarily sexist because men simply don't experience it. if men could have babies, i would still want men to not have abortions either.
People are placed in prison because they are believed to have infringed upon the rights of others, thereby warranting the removal of some of their rights. Bad comparison.
lumnata

How nice that you have a nice regular enough period that allows you to calculate exactly when you are ovulating and for exactly how long you will be fertile! My periods range from 18-35 day cycles, with each period lasting 7-8 days. So tell me how that particular method is supposed to work out for me?

Don't you know? Everyone else's life is exactly like Zin's. As long as she's not having any problems, everyone else can just go "qq". If she's not wet it must not be raining.

And don't forget: even if you have a freakishly normal cycle like me, you still only get about a week where you're allowed to have sex! And even then, you have a small chance of getting pregnant on your period.

But remember: the fact that you get basically no sexual freedom just by virtue of being born female doesn't make you a second class citizen. It makes your suffering LULZ!

lumnata

And obviously, if one does not want children NOW they will NEVER want children. Sterilization for everyone!

Good catch. I don't know why I didn't see that. Another anti-abortion assumption: women who have abortions don't want/deserve to be mothers.

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PhaedraMcSpiffy
[Talking about the "women pee through their vaginas" guy]

Did his name happen to be Kaworu by any chance?

No, he was just some random guy on a reproductive rights blog. I'm pretty sure he was just an unregistered commenter.

Arkady Andreyevich
low iq 111
well i don't think people always have rights over their own bodies. i mean, we put people in jail--we force their bodies in a certain cell for a few years, so that's kinda the same thing as being pregnant.
People are placed in prison because they are believed to have infringed upon the rights of others, thereby warranting the removal of some of their rights. Bad comparison.

Plus, being confined isn't the same as having something happen to your body against your will. That's why we don't torture inmates or use them in medical experiments or anything like that. We restrict them in what they're allowed to do and where they're allowed to go, but we don't violate their body. We may not explicitly state it, but we recognize a person's right to their own body.

Plus, you're not just confined to one cell. You get an excercise yard*, opportunities to read, visitation, things like that (depending on a lot of things, but you get the picture).

*Where, ideally, you can show off your new sunglasses and make out with other inmates. =D

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Arkady Andreyevich
low iq 111
well i don't think people always have rights over their own bodies. i mean, we put people in jail--we force their bodies in a certain cell for a few years, so that's kinda the same thing as being pregnant. plus, pregnancy is something men will never have to experience. so to force a woman to not have an abortion isn't necessarily sexist because men simply don't experience it. if men could have babies, i would still want men to not have abortions either.
People are placed in prison because they are believed to have infringed upon the rights of others, thereby warranting the removal of some of their rights. Bad comparison.


no it was good because it shows how people don't always have rights over themselves.
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Arkady Andreyevich
low iq 111
well i don't think people always have rights over their own bodies. i mean, we put people in jail--we force their bodies in a certain cell for a few years, so that's kinda the same thing as being pregnant. plus, pregnancy is something men will never have to experience. so to force a woman to not have an abortion isn't necessarily sexist because men simply don't experience it. if men could have babies, i would still want men to not have abortions either.
People are placed in prison because they are believed to have infringed upon the rights of others, thereby warranting the removal of some of their rights. Bad comparison.
no it was good because it shows how people don't always have rights over themselves.
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