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UPDATED: A 1989 study by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court found that in cases involving custody and visitation litigation, "The interests of fathers are given more weight than the interests of mothers and children, because of a persistent gender bias in court rooms." http://www.civicresearchinstitute.com/toc/DVAC TOC.pdf

"Findings support past research, which finds corruption, denial of due process, and gender bias in the family court system."http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a906660325~db=all~jumptype=rss

Research has found that many custody evaluators consider alienation of more significance than domestic violence in making custody recommendations. A survey of 201 psychologists from 39 states who conducted custody evaluations indicated that domestic violence was not considered by most to be a major factor in making custody determinations.
http://nawl.timberlakepublishing.com/files/Handrahan Final.pdf

Here is the control and power diagram used to help understand abusive behavior better; one of the slices includes using the children as a means to harm the victim: http://www.ncdsv.org/images/Power_and_Control_wheel_NCDSV.pdf

Fathers who batter mothers are 2 times more likely to seek sole physical custody of their children than are non-violent fathers. (APA1996, p. 40.)
Despite myths put out by the fathers' "rights" movement that mothers always win custody cases, abusive fathers actually win custody in 70% of custody disputes,http://www.civicresearchinstitute.com/toc/DVAC TOC.pdf
http://www.nafcj.net/DOJreport-PDF copy.pdf

Other common justifications used by male batterers to deny mothers' their children: Financial Blackmail: A batterer often controls the victim's finances, denying access to money. Financial battering may range from not allowing the victim to earn money to preventing education or access to work. If the victim is currently working, the abuser will make threats to destroy the means of earning a living. A batterer can convince the jury that the mother is unfit to raise a child if she cannot even work. http://aja.ncsc.dni.us/domviol/page5.html

Female victims also have to deal with sexism and discrimination they still face in society, as well as convincing a courtroom they are fit mothers. Many batterers are able to convince juries that the victim is "over-reacting" and emotionally unstable.




Where did the myth that women always win child custody disputes come from? Fathers' rights movements are a factor. The fathers’ rights movement focuses on trying to re-establish fathers’ authority and control over their children’s and ex-partners’ lives, on gaining an equality concerned with fathers’ rights and status rather than the actual care of children, and on winding back legal and cultural changes which have lessened gender inequalities. http://www.nafcj.net/DOJreport-PDF copy.pdf
Fathers’ rights groups are well-organised advocates for changes in family law, and vocal opponents of feminist perspectives and achievements on interpersonal violence.

Most importantly, the fathers’ rights movement has influenced family law, with damaging consequences for women, children, and indeed men. Above all, fathers’ contact with children has been privileged, over children’s safety from violence.

An uncritical assumption that children’s contact with both parents is necessary now pervades the courts and the media. The Family Court’s new principle of the ‘right to contact’ is overriding its principle of the right to ‘safety from violence’. The Court now is more likely to make interim orders for children’s unsupervised contact in cases involving domestic violence or child abuse, to use hand-over arrangements rather than suspend contact until trial, and to make orders for joint residence where there is a high level of conflict between the separated parents and one parent strongly objects to shared residence.

Current government policy echoes many of the key themes of the fathers’ rights movement. Both government policy and many fathers’ rights groups are guided by two central, and mistaken, assumptions: that all children see contact with both parents as in their best interests in every case, and that a violent father is better than no father at all (DVIRC, 2005, pp. 5-6). Both bodies talk of ‘conflict’ rather than violence, neglect violence as a legitimate issue for the courts and family services to address, emphasize mediation and counseling as solutions, and focus on punishing women for making false allegations or breaching contact orders. http://www.safechildcustodyfund.org/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=222&MMN_position=383:383




Despite the absurd claims of fathers' rights groups, in actuality abusive fathers who fight for custody in America win sole custody of the child(ren) almost 70% of the time.
http://www.nafcj.net/DOJreport-PDF copy.pdf
http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?collection=journals&handle=hein.journals/clear29&div=162&id=&page=
http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?collection=journals&handle=hein.journals/scid4&div=11&id=&page=
http://fap.sagepub.com/content/1/3/409.short

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=bbZmp7ALOq4C&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=batterers+win+child+custody&ots=VJi8vnX1aR&sig=ZyPWqsNRyyFzMHa6Y1oAyjmRB-0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://www.csaj.org/documents/212.pdf
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Svt6_P_WjqAJ:www.dvleap.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=o9qaxp3D8kM=&tabid=173+batterers+convince+authorities&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgpsdkdT5MeX0iF8fdpGTeI7QoEXuZRlKnkX1T8eQ3o8SC_CX791JcJpchiKsGyjrbJ5WDKdq4ZH7CtZMMYNKb3Fj-MmCsKlUyjy4-gOWS-sX-qU4eKpdxbiV9RE4OlzKIfyX38&sig=AHIEtbQYJ6wbGgGElYE5yWQ2V66EHJEXSA

--How is this myth perpetuated in society? And how can we raise awareness of this?
This is clearly a critical issue that not only affects women, unfairly stripping them of their children to their batterers, but also harmful for children who cannot escape the abusive parent.

--Thoughts? Reactions?

--Also as an aside, I'm doing my feminist ACTivism project on this and I will be attending various child custody dispute court cases soon to actually witness this happen.
*Prepares for incoming shitstorm*

Business Noob

Meroko_Love
*Prepares for incoming shitstorm*
surprised Time to read.
I guess I should add that fathers winning custody battles more often is not in itself a bad thing; in fact, it's a great thing! It means we're moving away from traditional gender roles. Unfortunately, the problem occurs when abusive men are able to manipulate authorities and the judge to allow them sole custody over their children.
Meroko_Love
I guess I should add that fathers winning custody battles more often is not in itself a bad thing; in fact, it's a great thing! It means we're moving away from traditional gender roles. Unfortunately, the problem occurs when abusive men are able to manipulate authorities and the judge to allow them sole custody over their children.

Yup yup, totally agree.

Business Noob

Meroko_Love
From one of the more infamous fathers' rights websites, they list this as a fact: "Children from fatherless homes account for 63% of youth suicides, 90% of all homeless or runaways, and 85% of all youths in prison... and the list goes on."
Which one?

Shirtless Raider

Meroko_Love
I guess I should add that fathers winning custody battles more often is not in itself a bad thing; in fact, it's a great thing! It means we're moving away from traditional gender roles. Unfortunately, the problem occurs when abusive men are able to manipulate authorities and the judge to allow them sole custody over their children.

Way to go, Meroko. Yet another social myth pronounced busted by actual research and statistical data.
64 bits
Meroko_Love
From one of the more infamous fathers' rights websites, they list this as a fact: "Children from fatherless homes account for 63% of youth suicides, 90% of all homeless or runaways, and 85% of all youths in prison... and the list goes on."
Which one?


It's very anti-women and lists these blatantly fake statistics... neutral But I can't find it now... I will search some more though because it was really ridiculous...
Neko Namida Ame
Meroko_Love
I guess I should add that fathers winning custody battles more often is not in itself a bad thing; in fact, it's a great thing! It means we're moving away from traditional gender roles. Unfortunately, the problem occurs when abusive men are able to manipulate authorities and the judge to allow them sole custody over their children.

Way to go, Meroko. Yet another social myth pronounced busted by actual research and statistical data.


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I know right? EVEN I BOUGHT INTO THIS MYTH! And I'm supposed to be a feminist! rofl
Meroko_Love
Despite myths put out by the fathers' "rights" movement that mothers always win custody cases, fathers actually win custody in 70% of custody disputes, and this is true even though most men who abuse women and children are far more likely than other fathers to fight for custody and engage in prolonged litigation. (Zorza, Batterer Manipulation and Retaliation: Denial and Complicity in the Family Courts, 2001, Abrams & Greaney, Report of the Gender Bias Study of the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts, 62-63, 1989, APA 1996, p. 40.
Joan Zorza, the author of the article you cite, is a board member of "National Coalition Against Domestic Violence", "End Violence Against Women, International", "Legal Resource Center on Violence Against Women", and "Women’s Law, Inc."

She is an activist on a related subject, making the citation dubious at best. It would be comparable if I were to cite the NRA on statistics regarding gun crime going up i you ban guns. You're going to have to cite something better than this.

Sorry.

Shirtless Raider

Meroko_Love
Neko Namida Ame
Meroko_Love
I guess I should add that fathers winning custody battles more often is not in itself a bad thing; in fact, it's a great thing! It means we're moving away from traditional gender roles. Unfortunately, the problem occurs when abusive men are able to manipulate authorities and the judge to allow them sole custody over their children.

Way to go, Meroko. Yet another social myth pronounced busted by actual research and statistical data.


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I know right? EVEN I BOUGHT INTO THIS MYTH! And I'm supposed to be a feminist! rofl

Just one of those issues you only hear about and don't really have any real data on so it's no surprise so many people thought of it being this way. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of men also don't fight for custody because they think they won't win so it's not worth trying.

I just found out my boyfriend's family might go to court for custody on his behalf so I feel relieved knowing the statistics are actually in his favor and maybe I could offer some advice to how they should go about it. It's kind of a long, unusual story. I'll PM you because to be honest, I don't really have any one I could talk to about it.
Neko Namida Ame
Meroko_Love
Neko Namida Ame
Meroko_Love
I guess I should add that fathers winning custody battles more often is not in itself a bad thing; in fact, it's a great thing! It means we're moving away from traditional gender roles. Unfortunately, the problem occurs when abusive men are able to manipulate authorities and the judge to allow them sole custody over their children.

Way to go, Meroko. Yet another social myth pronounced busted by actual research and statistical data.


biggrin

I know right? EVEN I BOUGHT INTO THIS MYTH! And I'm supposed to be a feminist! rofl

Just one of those issues you only hear about and don't really have any real data on so it's no surprise so many people thought of it being this way. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of men also don't fight for custody because they think they won't win so it's not worth trying.

I just found out my boyfriend's family might go to court for custody on his behalf so I feel relieved knowing the statistics are actually in his favor and maybe I could offer some advice to how they should go about it. It's kind of a long, unusual story. I'll PM you because to be honest, I don't really have any one I could talk to about it.


No problem. And yeah, more and more when men fight for custody battles they are rewarded. Unfortunately, that happens with abusive men. >_<

You can PM me anytime you like to talk about it. There are plenty of things that could help him win; like bringing statistics up in court to the judge or something can do good for his side.
Women are more often awarded custody because the father wants nothing to do with the child.

So I guess we should surround custody with air quotes.
Literally none of the sources you provided about men winning custody have any actual data in them.

I also like how you put "men's rights" in parenthesis, as if to suggest that they're not legitimate. I've also never seen men's rights advocates say that women win custody ALL of the time. By that hyperbole, I'll say feminists suggest the myth that ALL men rape women. See how ridiculous "feminism" is? rolleyes
el pibe tirofijo
Literally none of the sources you provided about men winning custody have any actual data in them.

I also like how you put "men's rights" in parenthesis, as if to suggest that they're not legitimate. I've also never seen men's rights advocates say that women win custody ALL of the time. By that hyperbole, I'll say feminists suggest the myth that ALL men rape women. See how ridiculous "feminism" is? rolleyes

Mens' rights groups are, by and large, fronts for a backlash movement. Any mens' rights group would be staunch allies of feminism, since they're both essentially struggling for the same thing. However, the visible and vocal groups are generally not fighting for the right things or actively want to push women down more, because their dominance is threatened.

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