Abusive Fathers Win Custody Battles More Often Than Mothers

[deadguy]

Meroko_Love

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Well, apparently even though these fathers are supposedly 70% more likely to win custody cases when disputed, women still win the majority of disputed cases according to US census bureau information.

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We're talking about abusive fathers, not fathers in general. Domestic violence cases, not just your average child custody dispute. Was the OP misleading? confused

Yes. At least half of it was about fathers in general and your belief that courts are biased towards them.

[Dreaded Jai]

Oni no Tenshi

You are aware men can go to prison for not paying back child support right, even if they prove the child isn't theirs right?

[Oni no Tenshi]

To be fair, it makes sense why many men are dismissive about parenting while many women are biologically driven to be very involved. Most mammals (and we are mammals) have very segregated behaviors when it comes to rearing young. Except for a few exceptions, most other great apes have several males who (in a pecking order) impregnate a group of females and then the females kind of hang out and help each other with baby rearing stuff. The males are mostly there to gain benefits like sex/the biggest share of food and give protection to ensure their offspring succeed.

And in most great ape groups, besides the males who are the "successful" ones that get to mate and breed, there are the "outsider" males who basically hang out at the fringe of the group trying to rape females as their way to pass on genes when they can and steal food from the core group. These males tend to be dysfunctional/anti social in nature, and the dominant males tend to protect the females as much as they can from these males.

To some extent, in human society (especially since we've switched to a monogamous male/female pairing system of mating/creating families), because there are generally less of those males who fall into the first group (the caretaker/provider/protector types) and more of those males who fall into the second type. Since there are only so many of the "good" type of males to go around, there are invariably a lot more "shitty" males that end up having children with women (this increases in percentage as your poverty level increases).

Anyway, just some food for thought, considering how most of our closely related species behave when it comes to sex/relationships/child rearing.

[Meroko_Love]

deadguy

How come abusive fathers get kids exactly as often as non-abusive ones? Like, down to the percent? Something seems off with that. You'd think they'd get them more, with all the advantages you say they have. Or less, with all the abuse and everything. But exactly the same?

I don't understand what you're talking about. Where are you getting this from?

I never said they have advantages, just that abusers are many times able to manipulate the court system in their favor just to get control of the kids.

[deadguy]

Meroko_Love

deadguy

Well, what do you expect courts to do about it? If there was any proof of abuse the man would be in jail, so obviously there isn't. The courts can't just take the woman's word that abuse is going on and simply hope she's not lying in order to get the kids. And do you have anything to prove your claims?Because I couldn't find any in your sources.

Actually, in many of the cases there is significant proof of abuse. I keep forgetting to add this to my OP: http://www.csaj.org/documents/212.pdf
http://www.stopfamilyviolence.org/sites/documents/0000/0036/bancroft_abuser_custvisit.pdf (At the bottom of this research paper there are all the sources)
If you want more just let me know.

Obviously no one is expecting the court to just take the woman's word for it. That would be assinine.

Significant enough for the man to be convicted in a court of law? Or just significant enough for you personally to believe abuse has taken place?

[Meroko_Love]

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Oni no Tenshi

You are aware men can go to prison for not paying back child support right, even if they prove the child isn't theirs right?

What? My uncle should be in prison then. He hasn't paid a dime of child support in 10 years. No one cares.

[Meroko_Love]

deadguy

Meroko_Love

deadguy

Well, what do you expect courts to do about it? If there was any proof of abuse the man would be in jail, so obviously there isn't. The courts can't just take the woman's word that abuse is going on and simply hope she's not lying in order to get the kids. And do you have anything to prove your claims?Because I couldn't find any in your sources.

Actually, in many of the cases there is significant proof of abuse. I keep forgetting to add this to my OP: http://www.csaj.org/documents/212.pdf
http://www.stopfamilyviolence.org/sites/documents/0000/0036/bancroft_abuser_custvisit.pdf (At the bottom of this research paper there are all the sources)
If you want more just let me know.

Obviously no one is expecting the court to just take the woman's word for it. That would be assinine.

Significant enough for the man to be convicted in a court of law? Or just significant enough for you personally to believe abuse has taken place?

Physical signs, dude. Stop being snappy with me. I'm not going to deal with it. You've been a smart-a** purposefully throughout my thread. Stop it.

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Meroko_Love

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Oni no Tenshi

You are aware men can go to prison for not paying back child support right, even if they prove the child isn't theirs right?

What? My uncle should be in prison then. He hasn't paid a dime of child support in 10 years. No one cares.

If no one cared there wouldn't be any men in jail.

[Oni no Tenshi]

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Oni no Tenshi

You are aware men can go to prison for not paying back child support right, even if they prove the child isn't theirs right?

This is obviously not the case in many situations. She divorced her husband when her oldest child was 10. Her oldest is now in her mid 20's.

No child support has been collected for many many years and yet (surprise surprise) he's not in jail.

[Meroko_Love]

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Meroko_Love

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Oni no Tenshi

You are aware men can go to prison for not paying back child support right, even if they prove the child isn't theirs right?

What? My uncle should be in prison then. He hasn't paid a dime of child support in 10 years. No one cares.

If no one cared there wouldn't be any men in jail.

No, I mean for my uncles case.

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Oni no Tenshi

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Oni no Tenshi

You are aware men can go to prison for not paying back child support right, even if they prove the child isn't theirs right?

This is obviously not the case in many situations. She divorced her husband when her oldest child was 10. Her oldest is now in her mid 20's.

No child support has been collected for many many years and yet (surprise surprise) he's not in jail.

Because he didn't have a real job. She should have contacted the Child Support services and filed a compliment. But why should he even be forced to pay it in the first place?

[Meroko_Love]

Oni no Tenshi

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Oni no Tenshi

You are aware men can go to prison for not paying back child support right, even if they prove the child isn't theirs right?

This is obviously not the case in many situations. She divorced her husband when her oldest child was 10. Her oldest is now in her mid 20's.

No child support has been collected for many many years and yet (surprise surprise) he's not in jail.

Same with my uncle.

[Meroko_Love]

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Oni no Tenshi

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Oni no Tenshi

You are aware men can go to prison for not paying back child support right, even if they prove the child isn't theirs right?

This is obviously not the case in many situations. She divorced her husband when her oldest child was 10. Her oldest is now in her mid 20's.

No child support has been collected for many many years and yet (surprise surprise) he's not in jail.

Because he didn't have a real job. She should have contacted the Child Support services and filed a compliment. But why should he even be forced to pay it in the first place?

Lol. Filed a compliment. xd

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Meroko_Love

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Meroko_Love

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Oni no Tenshi

You are aware men can go to prison for not paying back child support right, even if they prove the child isn't theirs right?

What? My uncle should be in prison then. He hasn't paid a dime of child support in 10 years. No one cares.

If no one cared there wouldn't be any men in jail.

No, I mean for my uncles case.

Does he have a job? Has anyone reported him?

[Dreaded Jai]

Meroko_Love

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Oni no Tenshi

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Oni no Tenshi

You are aware men can go to prison for not paying back child support right, even if they prove the child isn't theirs right?

This is obviously not the case in many situations. She divorced her husband when her oldest child was 10. Her oldest is now in her mid 20's.

No child support has been collected for many many years and yet (surprise surprise) he's not in jail.

Because he didn't have a real job. She should have contacted the Child Support services and filed a compliment. But why should he even be forced to pay it in the first place?

Lol. Filed a compliment. xd

I'm off a bit. You're suppose to go to a court house. X