THese people who are dressing in black clothing and pants with chains ans other stupid crap on them are freakin idiots! they also sit on the computer all day and chat, i say they are just geeks trying to look tough. There is no such thing as a real goth, or is that the new style , looking goth, well it isnt working, you people out there who are dressing as goths are dumb idiots who think that suicide is the only way out and listen to music that means nothing stop that your all going to screw ur selfs up.