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HS economics was a long time ago for me ... but far as I can figure what we're seeing is an influx of desirable items. Before all we had was one kind of bread. Now we have seven or so and the values of each make up part of the whole.

Also, quite honestly, I think people playing the exchange to get rich was a part of the problem. The only people who got rich were the investors. And they did it because everyone else had to pay these heavily inflated prices to enter into the market and get something.

That things went down in price after what I see as an unnaturally high price seems to me to be a positive sign.

Also, Gaia doesn't function the same way as a real life economy. It's not accurate to compare it to them. There are no 'jobs'. No companies built on loans or trust funds that are going to go bankrupt. We can't go into a depression or any of that because we've continued to gain gold and that's not likely to stop.

Yeah but with seven or so different types of bread all you get is everyone paying for different things. Theres no unity within the marketplace and theres not enough people for that to be viable. You can say the falling prices are good and the investors were bad for things but I started as a newb investing in MCs and made a fair go of it. It was never a case of buy into the high items it was buy when things were low and then ride it till you had enough to buy what you wanted. And hey if your item didn't rise you tried again! Thats the fun of it. Theres no fun if everyone wins every time. Also back to the bread metaphor. It would be fine if the value of the seven types of bread stayed at the same level. Say they all had a seventh share in a million but they've insisted on taking 2% off that million every time.
And also a sudden decrease in price seems fine now but if it wiped across the whole market all you'd have was everything at a low price. There'd be no drive. Why does everything have to be given to people! Liberalism is all fine and well but sometimes you gotta have a bit of capitalism to give people some goals. It may create some elite class who have more money but as you said yourself this isn't the real world and it doesn't affect things properly. People won't starve because they can't afford a Demonic Pendant.
And your right there are no jobs. There aren't people who spend there time trying to make gold anymore. Because essentially those jobs have been wiped out. I know its supposed to be a social site but when you have something great tacked on by accident you don't cut it off coz its not supposed to be there. Hell if you suddenly found you had grown wings one day but you weren't supposed to be able to fly normally you wouldn't cut them off!

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*cracks knuckles* Alright, time to make a big post. Ready?

I love Gaia, I really do. But lately, I've been feeling a bit appalled. Some of the things I most enjoy are not as fun as they used to be.

Inventories:
I want my items to STOP going to the bottom of my inventory every time I put them on/take them off. Please. For the love of StarClan, I want to be able to customize my avatar without having to worry about writing down where they were later. Please, I'm begging you gonk

Guild posts:
There were no announcements on this one. Now, instead of showing how many posts have been made in the guild total, it only shows how many posts I'VE made, when I can just view that under "guild members". ((This will be a huge problem for me in the future, I think @.@ ))

Aquariums:
Great StarClam ((lol, this typo is very punny so I'll just leave it)), do I really have to pay $5 for a fish that will die? I know you work very hard every day to make ends meet for Gaia, and I'm not a very frequent aquarium user, but that's a bit insane. On the other hand, I really like the Overseer's clam and the fish drops you get when a fish dies ^^

Advertisements:
I don't like them much at all. The annoying, flashy ones at least.

Okay, I'm done =P

P.S.- I know the mods are working very hard on this site. It requires millions of dollars to keep it running, I heard, and with the economy fluctuating--assuming Lanzer and the gang are in the US--it must be getting very hard. The mods and the admins and the Lanzers ((lol wut there's only one Lanzer)) are working very hard, yes. I don't mean to offend anyone, yes.
I have to say that my main has been here since '05, and in that time I've seen plenty of rants but this one is different.

I plan on attending the London MCM con next week, and hopefully at least the texting issue will be brought up, as I find this the most immediatly worrisome.
I have to agree with the phone number/texting, that's not a very smart move to ask for these type of personal information and can be dangerous. I definitely think that should be taken off.
all i have to say is that this is toooo true. im not gonna fly to america and buy a bloody card from target to buy some special items. but whats worse is that if you dont jave fancy avi items, people think your just a noob and they treat you like crap, maybe some of us just dont want to spend all our money on it, or we like looking the way we do. the admins just give us more reason to fight and CAPS LOCKing on eachother by making everything so expensive.

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Yeah but with seven or so different types of bread all you get is everyone paying for different things. Theres no unity within the marketplace and theres not enough people for that to be viable.


Why's that a bad thing? By seeing a spread in what people are buying and what is being seen as valuable I think another thing that we're seeing is people who were hoarding items have decided to sell them off to get more gold to spend on other things. That's helped increase the number on the market and drive down price as well. Increase in supply and decrease in demand.

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You can say the falling prices are good and the investors were bad for things but I started as a newb investing in MCs and made a fair go of it. It was never a case of buy into the high items it was buy when things were low and then ride it till you had enough to buy what you wanted. And hey if your item didn't rise you tried again! Thats the fun of it. Theres no fun if everyone wins every time. Also back to the bread metaphor. It would be fine if the value of the seven types of bread stayed at the same level. Say they all had a seventh share in a million but they've insisted on taking 2% off that million every time.


mmm. There's a difference between investing ... buying items at a low price and selling them at a higher one and pricejacking. And people were (and probably are still) deliberately increasing the price and working in groups to do it. They lost some of their capital, especially with the 2% cut, making it less profitable to pricejack and to do a lot of short-term investments. I think longer-term investments are still going to be a wise move, ultimately. It's just that some of the less natural inflation we'd seen on newer items is going to go down because it's less profitable to do it.

Dunno about you but I'm holding on to the few '04 letters I still have. They're not worth as much as they were, perhaps, but neither are the '03 items that I'd hoped to buy with them at one point.

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And also a sudden decrease in price seems fine now but if it wiped across the whole market all you'd have was everything at a low price. There'd be no drive. Why does everything have to be given to people! Liberalism is all fine and well but sometimes you gotta have a bit of capitalism to give people some goals. It may create some elite class who have more money but as you said yourself this isn't the real world and it doesn't affect things properly. People won't starve because they can't afford a Demonic Pendant.


Sorry, but I do have to giggle at the thought of Gaia having a political marketplace. The admins have yet to step directly in and regulate or alter prices. It is still very much a free market. There are just more products now and more shiny things to entice people to buy them rather than saving up or hoarding and planning on spending it all later.

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And your right there are no jobs. There aren't people who spend there time trying to make gold anymore. Because essentially those jobs have been wiped out. I know its supposed to be a social site but when you have something great tacked on by accident you don't cut it off coz its not supposed to be there. Hell if you suddenly found you had grown wings one day but you weren't supposed to be able to fly normally you wouldn't cut them off!


If you're referring to the big ticket gold earners: there are still exchangers. Still artists. Still plenty of people who fish or play games and sell off rare items. There are people who buy MC's for real cash and EI's and sell those too. The game still exists, but it's played differently now.

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I have to agree with the phone number/texting, that's not a very smart move to ask for these type of personal information and can be dangerous. I definitely think that should be taken off.

While it's annoying, I don't see how it's dangerous. It's been posted many times by developers that anyone you're communicating with will not get your number.
Satirico

Third: When I heard about that that Gaia will have an MMO and after that I heard about ZoMG! I was really glad but now... I feel I'm stiffed. It's unfair that some of the Gaians can use it and MOST of us cannot. I wanna enjoy playing on Gaia but in thiy way it's impossible.
Greetz~~Sat' twin.


.....do you even know what a beta tester is?

They play the game, find glitches, and give long, drawn out reports of said glitches. It's currently being bumped back because of glitches.

Answer this: Do you REALLY want to play a game that crashes five minutes into gameplay?

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Satirico

Third: When I heard about that that Gaia will have an MMO and after that I heard about ZoMG! I was really glad but now... I feel I'm stiffed. It's unfair that some of the Gaians can use it and MOST of us cannot. I wanna enjoy playing on Gaia but in thiy way it's impossible.
Greetz~~Sat' twin.


.....do you even know what a beta tester is?

They play the game, find glitches, and give long, drawn out reports of said glitches. It's currently being bumped back because of glitches.

Answer this: Do you REALLY want to play a game that crashes five minutes into gameplay?

Hey please do not fire meh X__x I've talked it with an other gaian ppl in PM just you didn't read the comments under this comment. :/
I don't wanna play with a lagging game or anything, I just wanted a little help and I got. that's all.

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Shinsangume
P.S.- I know the mods are working very hard on this site. It requires millions of dollars to keep it running, I heard, and with the economy fluctuating--assuming Lanzer and the gang are in the US--it must be getting very hard. The mods and the admins and the Lanzers ((lol wut there's only one Lanzer)) are working very hard, yes. I don't mean to offend anyone, yes.


Just so you know: Some of the mod team are in the US, but as we're unpaid volunteers, we come from all over. The admins are based in the US, in CA.

^^ No disrespect intended, but in order to avoid getting myself embroiled in a shouting match, I'm going to focus on chatting on the economy.
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I have to agree with the phone number/texting, that's not a very smart move to ask for these type of personal information and can be dangerous. I definitely think that should be taken off.

While it's annoying, I don't see how it's dangerous. It's been posted many times by developers that anyone you're communicating with will not get your number.


I just think having the number there encourages them to share it out, it may give people who would want other's numbers ideas to get it off those who may not know that typing their number on the site is different from giving it to a user..sure, it may not be dangerous to type it there, but it's more, the encouragement to share that type of information, you never know what people can do with just a few starting ideas.

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I have to agree with the phone number/texting, that's not a very smart move to ask for these type of personal information and can be dangerous. I definitely think that should be taken off.

While it's annoying, I don't see how it's dangerous. It's been posted many times by developers that anyone you're communicating with will not get your number.


I just think having the number there encourages them to share it out, it may give people who would want other's numbers ideas to get it off those who may not know that typing their number on the site is different from giving it to a user..sure, it may not be dangerous to type it there, but it's more, the encouragement to share that type of information, you never know what people can do with just a few starting ideas.

That seems grasping at straws to dislike a feature honestly. I mean, if the number was given to the recipient, then that would be bad.

But by that logic we should get rid of any feature that might give someone the idea to give out some information. No more forums, someone may post something naughty, no more gaia store, someone might be confused about giving out their home address etc...

If someone is going to give out their phone number, they're going to do that no matter what Gaia does. People ignoring the big "don't give out password" messages in PMs (and the completely obvious feature where you can't PM passwords, and yet still manage to give it out) is proof of that.

It doesn't make this a dangerous feature.
That new Faktori game is really the best update to anything on the site I've seen in a long time... It's actually fun, and seems to work right....

And then there's the three worst ones I've ever seen:

The PM System
First of all, the whole phone number crap is just annoying as hell. It's such a waste of space, and people shouldn't be putting in information like that on a forum site anyways.
Also, they reduced the writing form down to the crap it was with the forums update (now mostly fixed), but a little worse. The main part of the writing form just feeling wrong is because it's smushed to the side so much by ads, that it feels almost off the page, though it isn't actually. Also, the whole "I clicked an emote. Now I can keep on typing. Oh wait, I have to click inside the window again and scroll all the way to the bottom first" thing is just screwed up. It takes forever. Also, emotes have no spaces anymore, making those smushed together too. Awesome.
And on the main page of PMs, there's a couple annoying things... Such as how I used to be able to see more than five PMs listed on my screen without scrolling down, even though it's exactly the same amount of text as before. Also, you have to search through the toolbar thingy to switch to outbox, sentbox, and saved... What happened to the links?

Inventory
I used to change my avatar.... Now it maybe happens every couple months, if I feel like moving my inventory all around to the right places..... And if I feel like spending like 20 minutes just to find like 6 items that look good together... Really, since the inventory downgradeupdate happened, I haven't tried to make any new outfits, but rather changed into a few outfits I've done before that looked okay.

Aquarium
Are you serious?
And is there no way to change Daily Chance to not give me fish? There's no quick way to get rid of it. Can't sell it back to the store like almost all other game items, cuz they're all cash items.. Market takes forever, if they actually sell at all.. Geez... Cluttering up my inventory more than it gets misplaced.


Eheh... Rant.
I haz one.
Satirico
I absolutly agree with this statement.
Frist with the cash shop items. In my country there isn't any cash card or wtf and we cannot pay with our credit card till it's just a Junior credit card. Cuz they don't accept it just beacuse it isn't embossed.
second: I hate the sponsor items... Especially MTV-items. Thes are just mess on Gaia and we cannot get rid off them.
Third: When I heard about that that Gaia will have an MMO and after that I heard about ZoMG! I was really glad but now... I feel I'm stiffed. It's unfair that some of the Gaians can use it and MOST of us cannot. I wanna enjoy playing on Gaia but in thiy way it's impossible.
Greetz~~Sat' twin.

I totally agree with you! I'm from europe, and over here we can't order gaia cash, we cant even enter our mobilephone number, because it's not american or something. I've tried everything but it just doesnt work, so no cashshop items for me. :/ and it sucks because there are lots of cool cashshop items, but if I look 'em up at the marketplace they're twice as expensive! and they already are expensive D; so it just sucks that people from other countries can't do all the stuff that americans can, like MMO and Zomg! we want to play to! crying

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