"I'm vegan bc of ethics"

[Decayin[g]_Sou[l]]

Hot Take???
There is absolutely no way to be ethical while participating in modern day capitalism.
Unless you are farming and producing 100% of your own products something or someone somewhere is suffering bc of it.
Deforestation to mass grow more produce
Enslaving people to make products (this is especially rampant in produce/ meat industry)
Stealing produce from NATIVE people who no longer have a resource they're used to

From your toothpaste to your shoes. If you bought it from a chain store it's not ethical. Someone was exploited somewhere for that product in some Capacity.

If you wanna make changes and it makes you feel better then do it.

But don't act like ur better because you chose "ethically sourced xyz" bc remember your ethics and morals and a mega corporations ethics and morals are gonna be vastly different

It's also extreme privilege to live that way. If you're poor and literally can not afford items like this (we all know "ethically sourced" = a higher price) then you're not a bad person for picking the option you had to.

Anyway that went thru my head while collecting eggs this morning from my coop.

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Every bit counts but people must also realize it’s both impossible and mentally unhealthy to put every negative externality modern life contains onto your back like you’re fully responsible for it all.

Just try to be a decent person. Be kind to people. If you have the ability to be a more conscious consumer then do so.

But people need to relax themselves a bit and not consume themselves with the bargain of being alive in 2025 in a modern economy.

[soup wizard]

i mean with a claim like this " There is absolutely no way to be ethical while participating in modern day capitalism. " it's hard to take any of what follows seriously. like of course there are ways to be ethical.

[Decayin[g]_Sou[l]]

soup wizard

i mean with a claim like this " There is absolutely no way to be ethical while participating in modern day capitalism. " it's hard to take any of what follows seriously. like of course there are ways to be ethical.

There isn't and if you'd actually read it might give you some insight into why I've said that

[a bambi]

I’m ethically stupid

[soup wizard]

Decayin[g]_Sou[l]

soup wizard

i mean with a claim like this " There is absolutely no way to be ethical while participating in modern day capitalism. " it's hard to take any of what follows seriously. like of course there are ways to be ethical.

There isn't and if you'd actually read it might give you some insight into why I've said that

no im familiar with green washing critiques, and i don't buy them so earnestly tho you'd probably catch me arguing the same in a different circumstance -- and this is what i mean there are degrees of action that can be made. i think a pretty easy antithesis is germany in wwii. are you saying no germans could be ethical? i think you would be wrong to say that brave dissenters were not acting ethically in a difficult situation.

when you paint ethicis in a dichotomy you are no longer in ethics but a moralistic philosophical system.

[Decayin[g]_Sou[l]]

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Every bit counts but people must also realize it’s both impossible and mentally unhealthy to put every negative externality modern life contains onto your back like you’re fully responsible for it all.

Just try to be a decent person. Be kind to people. If you have the ability to be a more conscious consumer then do so.

But people need to relax themselves a bit and not consume themselves with the bargain of being alive in 2025 in a modern economy.

I agree.
Like the meat industry is vile. It's why I got my own chickens to begin with. But I also bought them from a chain store that mass produces chickens so they likey came from an "unethical source"
My main point here ig is ppl rly villainize other ppl for just basically doing what they have 2 in modern society.
Over consumption is def an issue we waste a LOT of food in the US
But over consumption of EVERYTHING is an issue now bc capitalism lol
Yea idk there just isn't a way to be 100% ethical unless u like live off grid and raise everything yourself.

[Gwinna the One]

There is no ethical consumption under global capitalism, which is why I go to the kindergarten for dinner twice a week

[WinterWind22]

The takeaway from "No ethical consumption under capitalism" should be that you should consume less, not that you should just do whatever you want lol.

[egguy]

I agree fully, but as an inspiring farmer its difficult esp if poor, we can at least try to make some choices even if nit completely

[egguy]

Better to revolutionize and take down the root of cause, because people usually follow systems

[Decayin[g]_Sou[l]]

WinterWind22

The takeaway from "No ethical consumption under capitalism" should be that you should consume less, not that you should just do whatever you want lol.

Tell that to the ppl running the companies!

[herba mystica]

Mm I am half and half on this take

[WinterWind22]

Decayin[g]_Sou[l]

WinterWind22

The takeaway from "No ethical consumption under capitalism" should be that you should consume less, not that you should just do whatever you want lol.

Tell that to the ppl running the companies!

me after telling the people running the meat companies how i feel about them

[Decayin[g]_Sou[l]]

soup wizard

Decayin[g]_Sou[l]

soup wizard

i mean with a claim like this " There is absolutely no way to be ethical while participating in modern day capitalism. " it's hard to take any of what follows seriously. like of course there are ways to be ethical.

There isn't and if you'd actually read it might give you some insight into why I've said that

no im familiar with green washing critiques, and i don't buy them so earnestly tho you'd probably catch me arguing the same in a different circumstance -- and this is what i mean there are degrees of action that can be made. i think a pretty easy antithesis is germany in wwii. are you saying no germans could be ethical? i think you would be wrong to say that brave dissenters were not acting ethically in a difficult situation.

when you paint ethicis in a dichotomy you are no longer in ethics but a moralistic philosophical system.

Morals n ethics go hand in hand
If u buy s**t from a store and support capitalism you're supporting someone unethical
Unless the companies completely change and decide to like ya know not pay off politicians so they can both stop doing evil s**t (highly unlikely this will happen unless there is a revolution)
You're still supporting something that's unethical.
Someone doesn't have less moral standing bc they eat meat.
Being vegan bc of ethics / Morals/ whatever you wanna call it does not make u a better person and ppl need to stop acting like it does