Homosexuality Is NOT A Sin: Misconceptions Of Christianity

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Wow. O_O

Props to you for your seemingly flawless argument! *applauds*

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Master_SL

You only say that since it kills the supposed "natural argument" of homosexuality being wrong.
Second of all Adam and Eve were NOT the only two people int ehw orld and further more it was not only Adam's sins but Eve's as well. this is even further bullshit because it makes Eve and all women after her appear as if they are the origin of sin itself.

Eve was made from Adam. It was Adam's sin that caused the downfall of all. Satan brought sin not Eve. Adam and Eve were the first people. There were no others made (dispite Loki's attempt to prove the contrary). All humankind have their ancestry from Adam and Eve, through Noah and his family

REread the bible son, it was EVE/s sin NOT Adam's , Adam was persuaded by eve to take from the tree of life AFTER SHE first took from the tree of life.

Genesis 3
The Fall of Man

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

See? this passege PROVES that women were the origin of sin,

Adam was the crown of creation. The head of creation. It was his sin that dragged creation down, not Eve's. Adam willingly chose to eat the fruit and be with his wife. Eve's sin would not have done that. And it was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Had they eaten from the tree of life, we would not be having this conversation.

And don't patronize me by calling me "son"

You obviously CAN"T READ.

READ the text, Eve TOOK from the TREE of life FIRST, that means Eve sinned first, Eve willingly disobeyed god FIRST. Adam willingly took a bite AFATER Eve did. Adam chose to be with Eve because THAT was gods intention in the first ******** place, BE with Eve but do not eat of the tree of life. why the hell is this so difficult for you to understand son?

Why do you people so badly misinterpret the bible so dam much?

Why dont you read the bible -- Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil NOT the TREE OF LIFE -- read! Eve was deceived -- read that. Eve did sin first, but her sin was not what corrupted all of creation. The punishment to Eve was in childbearing, the punishment to Adam as the head of creation was extended to the earth. God had no intention for either of them to fall into sin, but He did give them free will, they could have said no. They could have eaten from the tree of life and lived in the perfect harmony forever. Eve was deceived Adam deliberately and seemingly knowingly ate. God called to them knowing full well what they had done. They tried to cover their sin (kippur - atonement) with leaves. Man's attempt to cover sin results in failure. God takes animals and make the first sacrifice for them to cover their sin with a more lasting remedy. This is a foreshadow of the redemption (atonement) that God worked for them and us in Christ.

You are the one who is badly misinterpreting the Bible my dear

Is the black hole calling the stars black?

Prove all this s**t biblically or concede.

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Master_SL

You only say that since it kills the supposed "natural argument" of homosexuality being wrong.
Second of all Adam and Eve were NOT the only two people int ehw orld and further more it was not only Adam's sins but Eve's as well. this is even further bullshit because it makes Eve and all women after her appear as if they are the origin of sin itself.

Eve was made from Adam. It was Adam's sin that caused the downfall of all. Satan brought sin not Eve. Adam and Eve were the first people. There were no others made (dispite Loki's attempt to prove the contrary). All humankind have their ancestry from Adam and Eve, through Noah and his family

Have you read the bible lately?
Let me make this clear, I have religion in school and we just discussed this two classes ago.
There are TWO count them two myths of creation. (I'll look the passage up for you too)
Read genesis 1-2:3 and genesis 2:4-and out.
Please do explain to me how come humans are created twice and howcome the land is bare in gen:2:5 but it said in 1:11 that he created vegetation?

Guess what? One was made for people who lived by agriculture and one was made for people who had some sort of meat as main food.

First - Neither account of creation is Myth.

How do you know> proof? and I don't mean proof as in the bible, I mean arcological.
Sorry for my spelling.

Archaeological proof hard to come by. However if creation did not take place then the alternative is evolution. It takes more faith to believe in evolution that that an almighty being made everything.
1. Big bang -- things just happend to fall into place around a sun
2. goo -- just happened to form on the face of the 3rd rock from that sun
3. ameno acid just happened to be in that goo and form life.
4. life developed in such a way that at the same time a male and female of the same species came into being.
5. that life evolved into other life forms both male and female at the same time in order to perpetuate the species.
etc. etc. etc.

That is a lot of coincidence and really good timing on everything. Care to compute the odds of that happening. It is much easier to believe that God created everything in 6 24 hour days.

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Darkwolf618

Just in case anyone tries to bring up the "you can't prove it was a mistranslation" argument again...

I checked four different anctient Greek dictionaries on the word "malakos", and on three other words related to it, and every single one of them define malakos as either being soft(as in the softness of a pillow or sheet), effeminate or gentle(as in one's personality), or weak(as in weak character; cowardly or lazy). Strange, isn't it, that only the Greek translators offered by religious organizations say that malakos has any relation to homosexuality.

Bauer's Greek -English Lexicon refers to malakos as softness, weakness when refering to things, when referring to person it is soft, effeminate and especially of catamites -- men and boys who allow themselves to be misused homosexually. Interestingly you have neglected to include that in your definitions.

Interesting how you seem to take that as Gospel.

Critical thinking is required here.

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linaloki

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Linaloki you are way of base with this one. There is no way around understanding the word natural to be anything but men and women not men and men and women and women. You claim to understand the scriptures but you twist and distort them to fit your arguments instead of taking them at plain face value and simplest meaning. Lust is a sin and it led unnatural relations. Homosexuality is not a design of God given nature -- it is a distortion of the God given image that was given to Adam and Eve before the fall. All sexuallity has been distorted -- that is why Adam and Eve covered themselves -- the gift of sexually was perverted by sin and they no longer had any control or at least a lot less than before.

...You missed a key phrase. I said it occurs in nature. Are you suggesting that the animals that engage in homosexual sex and relationships aren't natural, that they have free will and are choosing this "sinful perverted" act? If so, then by all means believe what you will. But homosexuality occurs in nature, and therefore is intrinsically not unnatural. Therefore, there is some other meaning behind it, which I have explained.

By natural I mean what God intended before the Fall not the corruption we seen in nature today. Two different things entirely.

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Master_SL

You only say that since it kills the supposed "natural argument" of homosexuality being wrong.
Second of all Adam and Eve were NOT the only two people int ehw orld and further more it was not only Adam's sins but Eve's as well. this is even further bullshit because it makes Eve and all women after her appear as if they are the origin of sin itself.

Eve was made from Adam. It was Adam's sin that caused the downfall of all. Satan brought sin not Eve. Adam and Eve were the first people. There were no others made (dispite Loki's attempt to prove the contrary). All humankind have their ancestry from Adam and Eve, through Noah and his family

Have you read the bible lately?
Let me make this clear, I have religion in school and we just discussed this two classes ago.
There are TWO count them two myths of creation. (I'll look the passage up for you too)
Read genesis 1-2:3 and genesis 2:4-and out.
Please do explain to me how come humans are created twice and howcome the land is bare in gen:2:5 but it said in 1:11 that he created vegetation?

Guess what? One was made for people who lived by agriculture and one was made for people who had some sort of meat as main food.

First - Neither account of creation is Myth.

How do you know> proof? and I don't mean proof as in the bible, I mean arcological.
Sorry for my spelling.

Archaeological proof hard to come by. However if creation did not take place then the alternative is evolution. It takes more faith to believe in evolution that that an almighty being made everything.
1. Big bang -- things just happend to fall into place around a sun
2. goo -- just happened to form on the face of the 3rd rock from that sun
3. ameno acid just happened to be in that goo and form life.
4. life developed in such a way that at the same time a male and female of the same species came into being.
5. that life evolved into other life forms both male and female at the same time in order to perpetuate the species.
etc. etc. etc.

That is a lot of coincidence and really good timing on everything. Care to compute the odds of that happening. It is much easier to believe that God created everything in 6 24 hour days.

So you don't believe that evolution takes billions of years? you don't believe life on earth took 100's of millions of years from goo to well us today?
The evolution from one creature to the next took 100s of millions of years. The universe it self is billions and billions and billions of years old.

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linaloki

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Then explain the numerous instances of homosexuality in the animal kingdom, especially among animals that are not believed to have souls and do not have the developed brains that we do.

All of creation fell at Adam's sin and groans for redemption (again a Pauline phrase). My understanding is that evidence of homosexuality in the animal kingdom tends to be eradicated. And I do not advocate that for homosexual humans.

You only say that since it kills the supposed "natural argument" of homosexuality being wrong.
Second of all Adam and Eve were NOT the only two people int ehw orld and further more it was not only Adam's sins but Eve's as well. this is even further bullshit because it makes Eve and all women after her appear as if they are the origin of sin itself.

Eve was made from Adam. It was Adam's sin that caused the downfall of all. Satan brought sin not Eve. Adam and Eve were the first people. There were no others made (dispite Loki's attempt to prove the contrary). All humankind have their ancestry from Adam and Eve, through Noah and his family

So. Adam and Eve had Cain, Seth, and an unnumbered group of females. Incest was performed. More females. More incest. More females, more incest. Funny that God would condemn incest in your precious Leviticus if it was the foundation of all life, as you so idiotically believe.

As gross as it sounds, yes God allowed the marrying of the male children of Adam and Eve to the female children of Adam and Eve. It was not until the time of the Exodus that God forbid it. And it would only have been for a generation that it would have been happening.

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Master_SL

You only say that since it kills the supposed "natural argument" of homosexuality being wrong.
Second of all Adam and Eve were NOT the only two people int ehw orld and further more it was not only Adam's sins but Eve's as well. this is even further bullshit because it makes Eve and all women after her appear as if they are the origin of sin itself.

Eve was made from Adam. It was Adam's sin that caused the downfall of all. Satan brought sin not Eve. Adam and Eve were the first people. There were no others made (dispite Loki's attempt to prove the contrary). All humankind have their ancestry from Adam and Eve, through Noah and his family

Have you read the bible lately?
Let me make this clear, I have religion in school and we just discussed this two classes ago.
There are TWO count them two myths of creation. (I'll look the passage up for you too)
Read genesis 1-2:3 and genesis 2:4-and out.
Please do explain to me how come humans are created twice and howcome the land is bare in gen:2:5 but it said in 1:11 that he created vegetation?

Guess what? One was made for people who lived by agriculture and one was made for people who had some sort of meat as main food.

First - Neither account of creation is Myth.

How do you know> proof? and I don't mean proof as in the bible, I mean arcological.
Sorry for my spelling.

Archaeological proof hard to come by. However if creation did not take place then the alternative is evolution. It takes more faith to believe in evolution that that an almighty being made everything.
1. Big bang -- things just happend to fall into place around a sun
2. goo -- just happened to form on the face of the 3rd rock from that sun
3. ameno acid just happened to be in that goo and form life.
4. life developed in such a way that at the same time a male and female of the same species came into being.
5. that life evolved into other life forms both male and female at the same time in order to perpetuate the species.
etc. etc. etc.

That is a lot of coincidence and really good timing on everything. Care to compute the odds of that happening. It is much easier to believe that God created everything in 6 24 hour days.

Because the magical man in the sky is easier to believe in due to circular reasoning.

Of course, you have no idea that the Theory of Evolution has jack to do with the origin of life.

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By natural I mean what God intended before the Fall not the corruption we seen in nature today. Two different things entirely.

Too bad you don't know what God intended then. Oh whoops! You still haven't proved anything. No reason to start now, eh?

And it's still a naturalistic fallacy.

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Elf Lord Chiewn

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Saltski Circe

This God is not a just God. This God is a sadist.

God is not a sadist. Or maybe He is, because He sent His Son to die for our mistakes, our errors, our failure to live by the standard of holiness He demands. But being a sadist was a merciful act for us.

You can't know God. Someone else has already said it, but let me say again, you cannot a) truly know a divine being (until you are dead is my belief, but let's leave it at the latter) or b)limit a Divine being to your human preceptions. Neither can I or anyone here, honestly, but some things just ring true.

It is unfair however, as well as useless, to bring intuition into an arguement.


If God created the world, did he not also create evolution, homosexuality and other things? Just a little question to think about.

God did create the world. Evolution on a macroscale He did not, on a microscale yes (simple adaptations). Homosexuality is not a creation of God but a product of Sin in the fall.

Prove all this bullshit. I'm not even going to quote the rest of your fallacious, unsupported posts, as I don't have an hour to waste.

Prove that:
God exists.
God created the world.
God did not create "macro-"evolution, but created "micro-"evolution.
Prove that the former does not exist, and is distinct from the latter.
Prove that cane toads don't exist, while you're at it.
Prove that homosexuality is sinful.
Prove that homosexuality was not created by God, whom you cannot prove exists.
Prove that sin has products.
Prove that the fall of man occurred.
Prove that homosexuality originated from the fall of man, and explain to me how Adam and Eve procreated, just as soon as you're done proving that they existed.

And stop ignoring the rules, which prohibit the personal attacks you've been making and the error-riddled bilge you've been passing off as true and biblical.

What personal attacks have I been making. It seems to me that I am the one under attack in my position in this debate. Prove to me where I have error-riddled bilge. Don't just say that I do prove it, take up your own challenge or are you the coward. I continue to try to defend my position, you do not. You attack and I reply with substance -- you with accusations.

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Elf Lord Chiewn

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Saltski Circe

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Saltski Circe

This God is not a just God. This God is a sadist.

God is not a sadist. Or maybe He is, because He sent His Son to die for our mistakes, our errors, our failure to live by the standard of holiness He demands. But being a sadist was a merciful act for us.

So now we have to live according to what you dictate, saying it's "God's Will."

It's people like you that pushed me away from the Church. It's people like you that made me unafraid to burn for eternity.

1st Corinthians 26-34. If God loved us, then why can gays not love one another the way heterosexuals do?

The Church has become heteroarchichal. IT is what makes homosexuals suffer and say it's in the name of "God and Jesus Christ."

And if your God truly says my love--not LUST, LOVE, like you'd feel for your girlfriend or spouse--is a perversion and that it's right for me to feel sick to my stomach at the thought of being physically and emotionally involved with men is his will, it's a God I can do without.

I am going to be daring and insensitive and say that you were not pushed away from the church. You ran away and were deceived by satan, the world and sinful flesh. God has called you back to Him and you have refused to listen. And that is very very sad.

Also, ******** you. You, sir, are a jackal, a vulture, and a terrible Christian.

take your own advice -- At least I am not swearing at you.

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linaloki

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Toga! Toga!

Then explain the numerous instances of homosexuality in the animal kingdom, especially among animals that are not believed to have souls and do not have the developed brains that we do.

All of creation fell at Adam's sin and groans for redemption (again a Pauline phrase). My understanding is that evidence of homosexuality in the animal kingdom tends to be eradicated. And I do not advocate that for homosexual humans.

You only say that since it kills the supposed "natural argument" of homosexuality being wrong.
Second of all Adam and Eve were NOT the only two people int ehw orld and further more it was not only Adam's sins but Eve's as well. this is even further bullshit because it makes Eve and all women after her appear as if they are the origin of sin itself.

Eve was made from Adam. It was Adam's sin that caused the downfall of all. Satan brought sin not Eve. Adam and Eve were the first people. There were no others made (dispite Loki's attempt to prove the contrary). All humankind have their ancestry from Adam and Eve, through Noah and his family

So. Adam and Eve had Cain, Seth, and an unnumbered group of females. Incest was performed. More females. More incest. More females, more incest. Funny that God would condemn incest in your precious Leviticus if it was the foundation of all life, as you so idiotically believe.

As gross as it sounds, yes God allowed the marrying of the male children of Adam and Eve to the female children of Adam and Eve. It was not until the time of the Exodus that God forbid it. And it would only have been for a generation that it would have been happening.

Only a generation? Their children would all have been cousins.

Ergo, there would have been more incest.

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Elf Lord Chiewn

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Saltski Circe

This God is not a just God. This God is a sadist.

God is not a sadist. Or maybe He is, because He sent His Son to die for our mistakes, our errors, our failure to live by the standard of holiness He demands. But being a sadist was a merciful act for us.

You can't know God. Someone else has already said it, but let me say again, you cannot a) truly know a divine being (until you are dead is my belief, but let's leave it at the latter) or b)limit a Divine being to your human preceptions. Neither can I or anyone here, honestly, but some things just ring true.

It is unfair however, as well as useless, to bring intuition into an arguement.


If God created the world, did he not also create evolution, homosexuality and other things? Just a little question to think about.

God did create the world. Evolution on a macroscale He did not, on a microscale yes (simple adaptations). Homosexuality is not a creation of God but a product of Sin in the fall.

Prove all this bullshit. I'm not even going to quote the rest of your fallacious, unsupported posts, as I don't have an hour to waste.

Prove that:
God exists.
God created the world.
God did not create "macro-"evolution, but created "micro-"evolution.
Prove that the former does not exist, and is distinct from the latter.
Prove that cane toads don't exist, while you're at it.
Prove that homosexuality is sinful.
Prove that homosexuality was not created by God, whom you cannot prove exists.
Prove that sin has products.
Prove that the fall of man occurred.
Prove that homosexuality originated from the fall of man, and explain to me how Adam and Eve procreated, just as soon as you're done proving that they existed.

And stop ignoring the rules, which prohibit the personal attacks you've been making and the error-riddled bilge you've been passing off as true and biblical.

What personal attacks have I been making. It seems to me that I am the one under attack in my position in this debate. Prove to me where I have error-riddled bilge. Don't just say that I do prove it, take up your own challenge or are you the coward. I continue to try to defend my position, you do not. You attack and I reply with substance -- you with accusations.

Prove to us where we have made acusations.
Still waiting for your proof.
and you seem to be ignoring half if what is being said.

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Elf Lord Chiewn

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Saltski Circe

This God is not a just God. This God is a sadist.

God is not a sadist. Or maybe He is, because He sent His Son to die for our mistakes, our errors, our failure to live by the standard of holiness He demands. But being a sadist was a merciful act for us.

So now we have to live according to what you dictate, saying it's "God's Will."

It's people like you that pushed me away from the Church. It's people like you that made me unafraid to burn for eternity.

1st Corinthians 26-34. If God loved us, then why can gays not love one another the way heterosexuals do?

The Church has become heteroarchichal. IT is what makes homosexuals suffer and say it's in the name of "God and Jesus Christ."

And if your God truly says my love--not LUST, LOVE, like you'd feel for your girlfriend or spouse--is a perversion and that it's right for me to feel sick to my stomach at the thought of being physically and emotionally involved with men is his will, it's a God I can do without.

I am going to be daring and insensitive and say that you were not pushed away from the church. You ran away and were deceived by satan, the world and sinful flesh. God has called you back to Him and you have refused to listen. And that is very very sad.

Also, ******** you. You, sir, are a jackal, a vulture, and a terrible Christian.

take your own advice -- At least I am not swearing at you.

At least I am not attacking the people most obviously in a vulnerable state.

And you have the temerity to call yourself a Christian?

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Elf Lord Chiewn

Wait, wait. Did someone just say "Jewish Bible?" I must be up too late.

my bad -- I meant Jewish Encyclopedia and I have corrected that in my original post