GOD ...Creator?

[xL0vexLess]

God was a guy who went out with a married woman (marry) got her fertilized and left
he was a guy who found a really good book (bible) with no author, and claimed it as his
it's all about history...and history is a story that every one agrees upon

we all came from a bacteria folks (no offense to ya believers) sweatdrop

[Jfreakett]

voxway

Plurias_Concentio

Cassia Judson

Moonhart44

first of all, i don;t know an atheist that hasn't the bible
second of all, i believe that God created everything but not like "poof, there it is!"
in the bible it says God made the world in seven days, but i'm pretty sure our seven days isn't the same as the bible's seven days.

I just wanted to point out that in my version of the Bible (there are so many out there I can't be sure which one you use or what it says) it reads:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day......
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day......
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.....
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day......
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (KJV)

I didn't post the entire text because of its length, but you can find the rest of it online. Noice who he describes the days, and is specific 'and the everning and the morning were the .... day'. I don't want to start a whole new debate, but consider those words. God was being specific.

i would like to talk to you later.

i have some references of biblical references that proves sceintific fact, that you might want to use later.

because you're right.

god put his words specifically for a reason.

amen to that.

lord be with yah.

sorry to not post in a bit, i havent had time to get on the pc in the last couple days, its not particularly dead, im just slack razz

if you want to use the fact 'God' 'put his words specifically', you can't use any reference in the an english bible.

these are not the words or 'God'. 'God' did not even write it.
the english versions are just a translation of what was written in the original bible
plus they were most likely not written word for word, if there were any direct quotes from 'God'.
so 'God' didnt particularly 'put his words specifically' or you must be able to read hebrew or latin.

look those who translated the Bible into English were very devote, and if you question that look at the preface at the begining of your Bible and it should tell you about how it was translated. Also it is reapeated through out the Bible that the word of God was given through inspiration from him, I don't know of any videos that you can watch but someone around probably does. Plus there are some versions that are unreliabe, the most reliable ones that i can think of is The King James version and the New King James version.*jesus rules*

[Jfreakett]

xL0vexLess

God was a guy who went out with a married woman (marry) got her fertilized and left
he was a guy who found a really good book (bible) with no author, and claimed it as his
it's all about history...and history is a story that every one agrees upon

we all came from a bacteria folks (no offense to ya believers) sweatdrop

What!!!!!!!!!!where did you get this from?!!!!!!!!!! xd *Jesus is Lord*

[Color Me Nonsense]

I don't.

[sistah_winchester]

xL0vexLess

God was a guy who went out with a married woman (marry) got her fertilized and left
he was a guy who found a really good book (bible) with no author, and claimed it as his
it's all about history...and history is a story that every one agrees upon

we all came from a bacteria folks (no offense to ya believers) sweatdrop

Ummm... how are believers NOT supposed to take offence to that?

HAS ANYONE SEEN EXPELLED (no intelligence allowed)?

It's not even about creationisim - just watch it and you'll find out BOTH sides of the story.

you dont even have to agree with it- Just go and see it!

[voxway]

Yami Shizuka Mana

voxway

Yami Shizuka Mana

voxway

Yami Shizuka Mana

Yeah, that archeologist tried to publish a book on all her findings, butwasn't able too cuz whenever she went to a publisher, they told her it was too Biblical or too scientific, stupid huh?
And I think the world will come pretty close to being destroyed someday by a nuclear war, when? I don't know, but I try not to thik about those things too much. I like to remain a positive person^^ And the global warming thing is too real, I wish it didn't exist, in not too much longer, polar bears and certian penguins may no longer exist in the wild. And that is too sad, I try to do as much as I can for the invironment. I shop at holistic stores a lot and support recycled things, and so on. EVERYONE SHOULD GO GREEN!!!! :HEART: But sadly, everyone won't sad

thats always the way. nobody wants anything radical published! thats why any scientist has trouble publishing new theories!

i do think about those things, yes we probably will all be dead before the caps melt due to a bomb, tho some countries have vowed to never use an A-bomb ever again. but its things like this that make me wonder why a 'God' figure has not stepped in and stopped it all.

also you will never stop enough people using things that creates greenhouse gasses. too many countries use too many cars and other transport, factories burn coal. other things like that. some things could be fixed by using nuclear power, but most countries have also said it is too unstable and unsafe to use such energy sources. so we continue to ruin this world.

Why doesn't he step in and do something? Well, it's like a parent watching their child, raising them up. The parent can tell them what they should and shouldn't do, but ultimatly, it is the child's choice. After awile, the parent decides not to step in so much adn corect the child for doing wrong, but will let them fall and learnt the hard way. In Revelations, it says what is all to come. He is going to let man have his way as he sit in his greed and glutony and worldly power, but one day, when it truly seems like the end, Yahushua(Jesus) will come back, that is what I believe. Yaweh will watch over and protect those that obey and love him till the day they die. Or they may have to go through trials and have their faith put to the ultimate test - facing death over their faith. This world is pretty screwed up, and it will continue that way for awhile until Yah has finaly had enough and says it's time to lock away Satan. That day is one to wait for.

thats fair and makes sense smile
haha i guess for now, im going to the bad place razz
i like the story of the titans and zeus. its kind of like that but it was due to hades letting the titans out.
the titans caused havoc everywhere until zeus came down and locked them away.

i guess you mean that 'God' will one day come down and 'lock away' all the evil

Exactly, but it will be awhile still till that happens; there will be much sorrow and death until then. Sad but true. And don't damn yourself to hell, you don't know where you'll end up. Live the life that you think is right and true. Live a life with few regrets^^ Check this out, it might give you a few answers: http://www.pilgrimpromo.com/WAR/

haha dont damn myself to hell?
after talking to you all you and my friend, it has become apparent to me that non-believers are destined to a life in hell.
also to live without regrets my life involves a life of crime and doing harmful things.
tho i think what i do is right for me.

haha i know im going to hell ...or at least would have if i believed in the place.

[voxway]

Yami Shizuka Mana

voxway

Plurias_Concentio

Cassia Judson

Moonhart44

first of all, i don;t know an atheist that hasn't the bible
second of all, i believe that God created everything but not like "poof, there it is!"
in the bible it says God made the world in seven days, but i'm pretty sure our seven days isn't the same as the bible's seven days.

I just wanted to point out that in my version of the Bible (there are so many out there I can't be sure which one you use or what it says) it reads:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day......
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day......
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.....
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day......
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (KJV)

I didn't post the entire text because of its length, but you can find the rest of it online. Noice who he describes the days, and is specific 'and the everning and the morning were the .... day'. I don't want to start a whole new debate, but consider those words. God was being specific.

i would like to talk to you later.

i have some references of biblical references that proves sceintific fact, that you might want to use later.

because you're right.

god put his words specifically for a reason.

amen to that.

lord be with yah.

sorry to not post in a bit, i havent had time to get on the pc in the last couple days, its not particularly dead, im just slack razz

if you want to use the fact 'God' 'put his words specifically', you can't use any reference in the an english bible.

these are not the words or 'God'. 'God' did not even write it.
the english versions are just a translation of what was written in the original bible
plus they were most likely not written word for word, if there were any direct quotes from 'God'.
so 'God' didnt particularly 'put his words specifically' or you must be able to read hebrew or latin.

While that may be very true, I would like to recommend the Aramaic based Bible, it's going to be about the closest you can get. And did you ever really stop and think about this: the 'day' begins with darkness, not the early morning light, So, our 'day' begins at sundown^^ It's also a reflection as to how Yahushua(Jesus) was the light that came to light up the dark(the world) ^^ And see how it says the SEVENTH day was the day of rest(Sabbath), so why are so many peole going to church on Sunday which is the FIRST day, and not Saturday? I blame Constatine for changing things up, he even gave us our Gregorian calendar and it's names n the names of the weekdays, which are all derived from pagan gods. ^^ Interesting huh, peoples?^^ Don't believe me? Read the book Fossilized Customs, butyou can only buy it from fossilizedcustoms.com, you'll never see it in any bookstore.

exactly! the bible means squat to me, so until i can learn to read hebrew or latin i will not read the entire bible or take it all into account.
i also know that sabbath is really on saturday and that christianity and also judaism have changed it to a sunday.
i dont know why anyone did this, but i do believe sunday is the last day of the week, simply because it has been drilled into me. is sunday a week day? no its a weekend razz ...my only reasoning razz

[voxway]

Jfreakett

I don't know what everybody else is telling you but I believe that God created everything because it says so in the Bible, not only creating it but he spoke almost everything into existance, i say almost because he didn't speak man into existance. No, he acutally took the time to MOLD man out of dirt, in his own image, and breath life into him. It's all written very clearlly in the book of Genisis.When you go back and read it here is a few sugestions, no taking it out of context, because you've said that you've read little snipets of it maybe you need to look before and after those little snipets to understand those verses better.Also keep in mind the time periode that the Bible was written in, what was the culture back then? Because it looks like that if you try to put today's culture in the Bible it's not going to make any sense, also if need more help in under standing this ask a local pastor, how can you trust a local pator, I don't know that is up to you, personally give them some hard questions and see what they say.Also try to keep an open mind to what the Bible says,... I know us Christians seeem to be Closed minded buzzers smile but if you have any further questions about this you can ask a pastor or ask me and I'll try to answer to the best of my ability. heart *Jesus Rocks*

yeah thats fair, and just to let you know ive read the first chapter thing, i dont remember what its called razz
i understand he moulded humans into existence, but then how do two single humans create the billions of people there are today?
we actually know now that if two people of the same blood line, reproduce, it creates problems with the offspring it has.
but it states that somewhere in the line, a subjects children reproduces with another child of the subject, therefore we would all have the same bloodline leaving us terribly deformed ...yet we are clearly not all terribly deformed.

also i have gone to a pastor, my 'ex' was the daughter of one. he said the same thing, you have to have faith and just believe 'God' created everything. ive found better answers on here smile

[voxway]

xL0vexLess

God was a guy who went out with a married woman (marry) got her fertilized and left
he was a guy who found a really good book (bible) with no author, and claimed it as his
it's all about history...and history is a story that every one agrees upon

we all came from a bacteria folks (no offense to ya believers) sweatdrop

'God' is not a guy
'God' did make a virgin woman pregnant, but did not ever meet her. its also with only one R its mary not marry.
'God' did not write the bible. or claim that it was 'his'.
the bible is written by prophets and opsiles(i dont know how you spell that)

haha i do agree somewhat with your last statement tho
it was not bacteria
we came from a single celled organism, which doesnt mean bacteria smile

[voxway]

Jfreakett

voxway

Plurias_Concentio

Cassia Judson

Moonhart44

first of all, i don;t know an atheist that hasn't the bible
second of all, i believe that God created everything but not like "poof, there it is!"
in the bible it says God made the world in seven days, but i'm pretty sure our seven days isn't the same as the bible's seven days.

I just wanted to point out that in my version of the Bible (there are so many out there I can't be sure which one you use or what it says) it reads:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day......
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day......
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.....
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day......
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (KJV)

I didn't post the entire text because of its length, but you can find the rest of it online. Noice who he describes the days, and is specific 'and the everning and the morning were the .... day'. I don't want to start a whole new debate, but consider those words. God was being specific.

i would like to talk to you later.

i have some references of biblical references that proves sceintific fact, that you might want to use later.

because you're right.

god put his words specifically for a reason.

amen to that.

lord be with yah.

sorry to not post in a bit, i havent had time to get on the pc in the last couple days, its not particularly dead, im just slack razz

if you want to use the fact 'God' 'put his words specifically', you can't use any reference in the an english bible.

these are not the words or 'God'. 'God' did not even write it.
the english versions are just a translation of what was written in the original bible
plus they were most likely not written word for word, if there were any direct quotes from 'God'.
so 'God' didnt particularly 'put his words specifically' or you must be able to read hebrew or latin.

look those who translated the Bible into English were very devote, and if you question that look at the preface at the begining of your Bible and it should tell you about how it was translated. Also it is reapeated through out the Bible that the word of God was given through inspiration from him, I don't know of any videos that you can watch but someone around probably does. Plus there are some versions that are unreliabe, the most reliable ones that i can think of is The King James version and the New King James version.*jesus rules*

i dont care how well it is translated. it is just a translation, i know for a fact some things cannot be translated, word for word, and if its not you can simply make it seem like thats what was said, tho being a translation, it is what the translator thinks it sould be

i have a bible written for teenage boys, it has translation of the king james version. but puts it into a perspective that a teenage guy would understand
tho i understand the king james version, i like old english and understand most of it
but still the meaning changes between the teenage bible and old english
so my point is that, it would be different from herbrew/latin to the king james english version

[voxway]

rockinitcrazy247

xL0vexLess

God was a guy who went out with a married woman (marry) got her fertilized and left
he was a guy who found a really good book (bible) with no author, and claimed it as his
it's all about history...and history is a story that every one agrees upon

we all came from a bacteria folks (no offense to ya believers) sweatdrop

Ummm... how are believers NOT supposed to take offence to that?

HAS ANYONE SEEN EXPELLED (no intelligence allowed)?

It's not even about creationisim - just watch it and you'll find out BOTH sides of the story.

you dont even have to agree with it- Just go and see it!

the same way a non-believer is meant to not take offence when extremist christians say that a scientific way the universe was made is an idiotic and retarded way to view things.

i have not see expelled and i have no interest in watching it ...only cos im slack and dont wanna download it. i have a cap to stick to and id prefer to listen to music smile

[Cassia Judson]

voxway

Jfreakett

I don't know what everybody else is telling you but I believe that God created everything because it says so in the Bible, not only creating it but he spoke almost everything into existance, i say almost because he didn't speak man into existance. No, he acutally took the time to MOLD man out of dirt, in his own image, and breath life into him. It's all written very clearlly in the book of Genisis.When you go back and read it here is a few sugestions, no taking it out of context, because you've said that you've read little snipets of it maybe you need to look before and after those little snipets to understand those verses better.Also keep in mind the time periode that the Bible was written in, what was the culture back then? Because it looks like that if you try to put today's culture in the Bible it's not going to make any sense, also if need more help in under standing this ask a local pastor, how can you trust a local pator, I don't know that is up to you, personally give them some hard questions and see what they say.Also try to keep an open mind to what the Bible says,... I know us Christians seeem to be Closed minded buzzers smile but if you have any further questions about this you can ask a pastor or ask me and I'll try to answer to the best of my ability. heart *Jesus Rocks*

yeah thats fair, and just to let you know ive read the first chapter thing, i dont remember what its called razz
i understand he moulded humans into existence, but then how do two single humans create the billions of people there are today?
we actually know now that if two people of the same blood line, reproduce, it creates problems with the offspring it has.
but it states that somewhere in the line, a subjects children reproduces with another child of the subject, therefore we would all have the same bloodline leaving us terribly deformed ...yet we are clearly not all terribly deformed.

also i have gone to a pastor, my 'ex' was the daughter of one. he said the same thing, you have to have faith and just believe 'God' created everything. ive found better answers on here smile

You are arguing on the basis that God exists. (I mean you are saying IF God created one man and one woman THEN this or this would happenm to try to prove your point) Why is that most all of the non-believers, when they argue this sort of thing, have to argue on the assumption that what they arguing doesn't exist exists?
Okay, just wanted to get that in there. smile Anyway, IF God exists (which you obviously don't believe, but I do) AND he created Adam and Eve (which you must also not believe and I do) THEN, since He is God: in definition, PERFECT, ALL-KNOWING ect. ect, WHY would or even SHOULD He create faulty humans? What makes you think they had any genetic defects to pass on? They were perfect! And because of that their offspring would have had near perfect bodies as well, so it was no problem for brothers and sisters to have children. That's what the Bible says, but since you don't believe in the Bible, or God or even Adam and Eve, that is completely pointless to you. Just pointing out that if you argue on the assumption that God exist, you kind of have to take into account that He is GOD.
Jesus lives, Jesus saves!

[voxway]

Cassia Judson

voxway

Jfreakett

I don't know what everybody else is telling you but I believe that God created everything because it says so in the Bible, not only creating it but he spoke almost everything into existance, i say almost because he didn't speak man into existance. No, he acutally took the time to MOLD man out of dirt, in his own image, and breath life into him. It's all written very clearlly in the book of Genisis.When you go back and read it here is a few sugestions, no taking it out of context, because you've said that you've read little snipets of it maybe you need to look before and after those little snipets to understand those verses better.Also keep in mind the time periode that the Bible was written in, what was the culture back then? Because it looks like that if you try to put today's culture in the Bible it's not going to make any sense, also if need more help in under standing this ask a local pastor, how can you trust a local pator, I don't know that is up to you, personally give them some hard questions and see what they say.Also try to keep an open mind to what the Bible says,... I know us Christians seeem to be Closed minded buzzers smile but if you have any further questions about this you can ask a pastor or ask me and I'll try to answer to the best of my ability. heart *Jesus Rocks*

yeah thats fair, and just to let you know ive read the first chapter thing, i dont remember what its called razz
i understand he moulded humans into existence, but then how do two single humans create the billions of people there are today?
we actually know now that if two people of the same blood line, reproduce, it creates problems with the offspring it has.
but it states that somewhere in the line, a subjects children reproduces with another child of the subject, therefore we would all have the same bloodline leaving us terribly deformed ...yet we are clearly not all terribly deformed.

also i have gone to a pastor, my 'ex' was the daughter of one. he said the same thing, you have to have faith and just believe 'God' created everything. ive found better answers on here smile

You are arguing on the basis that God exists. (I mean you are saying IF God created one man and one woman THEN this or this would happenm to try to prove your point) Why is that most all of the non-believers, when they argue this sort of thing, have to argue on the assumption that what they arguing doesn't exist exists?
Okay, just wanted to get that in there. smile Anyway, IF God exists (which you obviously don't believe, but I do) AND he created Adam and Eve (which you must also not believe and I do) THEN, since He is God: in definition, PERFECT, ALL-KNOWING ect. ect, WHY would or even SHOULD He create faulty humans? What makes you think they had any genetic defects to pass on? They were perfect! And because of that their offspring would have had near perfect bodies as well, so it was no problem for brothers and sisters to have children. That's what the Bible says, but since you don't believe in the Bible, or God or even Adam and Eve, that is completely pointless to you. Just pointing out that if you argue on the assumption that God exist, you kind of have to take into account that He is GOD.
Jesus lives, Jesus saves!

so if they had perfect bodies and perfect genes. why now today, if people of the same bloodline have a child it is deformed.
yet we ARE children of 'God' seemingly perfect according to you, seeings 'God' must have made you and everyone else

if you want to prove me wrong on this. look up incest.
if then you still dont believe me, go have a child to your mother/sister.

im not trying to be sick or demented in the head ...it happens and it can be proven. and the reason this happens is because of what happens when the genes of the mother and father mix.
when they mix, if there are bad genes in one cell they are not used, and the gene/s are taken from the other cell.
if you mix the same blood, there is not better or worse cell, so genes are the same, if there are any problems in the gene (lets go with an extremely terrible thing) ie multiple sclorosis. then the other persons genes will not fix this and they offspring will get MS.
if you reproduce with a different bloodline, you would have less of a chance to get MS because the gene that caused it, wouldnt be used.


also im not argueing the existence, im happy to agree with you right now and say 'GOd' exists, that wasnt my question

[MiiruFae]

i also have a hard time believing that an illusive higher being created EVERYTHING. I'm a big believer in science and facts. There is more proof in science than there is in creationism.

[MiiruFae]

Jfreakett

xL0vexLess

God was a guy who went out with a married woman (marry) got her fertilized and left
he was a guy who found a really good book (bible) with no author, and claimed it as his
it's all about history...and history is a story that every one agrees upon

we all came from a bacteria folks (no offense to ya believers) sweatdrop

What!!!!!!!!!!where did you get this from?!!!!!!!!!! xd *Jesus is Lord*

jesus being "lord" has nothing to do with creation. she got that information from her biology class i'd expect.