GIVE ME PROOF OF YOUR SO CALLED "GOD"

is there a god for you

yes	59.4%	[ 676 ]
no	40.6%	[ 462 ]
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[Fkn Bllsht]

Beyond_Oblivion

kochou_kitsune

That really had nothing to do with what I said, in fact it contradicted what I said. Things happen everyday that doesn't abide by the bloody laws of science. Things happen everyday that don't abide by the laws of god. A busfull of little kids goes off a cliff, proof against god, none of the kids are even hurt, proof against scientific law. This discussion can go on for eternity and will never be solved. And your simple Test Analysis has neither proved nor disproved anything.

How does none of the children being hurt disprove science? It just demonstrates the circumstances were odd.

Furthermore, how does it demonstrate the lack of a deity if they do get hurt?

Science says that if a bus goes off a cliff, gravity accellerates the bus, it crashes to the earth in a blaze of glory. The idea that no one would get hurt in this goes against laws of physics. A bus full of kids going off a cliff and then logically dying. All just examples dear child, denies that a just and loving god could exist if he were to let the innocent youth of the nation fall to a bloody horrific painful death.

[Beyond_Oblivion]

kochou_kitsune

Science says that if a bus goes off a cliff, gravity accellerates the bus, it crashes to the earth in a blaze of glory. The idea that no one would get hurt in this goes against laws of physics.

You have still only stated that it goes against physics, not why. Going against physics would be the bus going over the cliff and not falling, not the children surviving. Their survival is just contingent upon several improbable things occuring, not violating physics.

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A bus full of kids going off a cliff and then logically dying. All just examples dear child, denies that a just and loving god could exist if he were to let the innocent youth of the nation fall to a bloody horrific painful death.

That really isn't proof agains a just and loving deity since a just and loving deity would still ultimately know what was the best. It also does not speak of spiteful, hateful and uncaring deities.

[Vicar_of_Sagacity]

kochou_kitsune

Beyond_Oblivion

kochou_kitsune

That really had nothing to do with what I said, in fact it contradicted what I said. Things happen everyday that doesn't abide by the bloody laws of science. Things happen everyday that don't abide by the laws of god. A busfull of little kids goes off a cliff, proof against god, none of the kids are even hurt, proof against scientific law. This discussion can go on for eternity and will never be solved. And your simple Test Analysis has neither proved nor disproved anything.

How does none of the children being hurt disprove science? It just demonstrates the circumstances were odd.

Furthermore, how does it demonstrate the lack of a deity if they do get hurt?

Science says that if a bus goes off a cliff, gravity accellerates the bus, it crashes to the earth in a blaze of glory. The idea that no one would get hurt in this goes against laws of physics. A bus full of kids going off a cliff and then logically dying. All just examples dear child, denies that a just and loving god could exist if he were to let the innocent youth of the nation fall to a bloody horrific painful death.

You fail to take into account many factors ie> Momentum, gravitational potential energy, kinetic energy, the velocity of the bus, the impulse of the impact, the pressence of absence or any angular momentum, the time given for acceleration, the force of impact, the initial positions of the children, the amount of impulse necessary to kill them, the safety mechanisms in the bus such as the seats which would reduce the impulse, the surface on which the bus crashed, ect..

A man's parachute broke when he was sky diving he fell several thousand feet into a garden next to a house, the soil was soft and moist and it significantly reduced his impulse, he also landed face first in a horizontal fashion (such as how you would lay on your bed) rather than virtically.
He broke some bones, but he lived becuase he was lucky enough to fall and impact in such a manner that the forces and impulses exerted over his body were minimalized.

[Fkn Bllsht]

Vicar_of_Sagacity

kochou_kitsune

Vicar_of_Sagacity

kochou_kitsune

Religion is based on faith, its all a test to find out who is worth saving at the end of life. Thats the story which means that if there was a divine being you could never prove it because proof denies faith. And saying bloody science proves evolution or whatever theory you believe in is just crap. There are a thousand and one holes in every theory they have. And who's to say that someones deity didn't create life that way, just to filter nonbelievers? Being completely closed minded about everything is stupid. But thats the way religions are, you have to be all in or not in at all. There is no room for doubters in religion. So of course its up to the atheists and agnostics to do the pondering for the ones in religion. And just remember Clive Staples Lewis. He tried to prove god doesn't exist through science and only ended up making a christian out of himself. If he can't disprove god, then I truly doubt anyone on this website can.

Is God real?

Test:

What is God? How would you define God? (insert suitable definition)

What effects would "God" have on the observable universe? What obervational phenomenon would God Theory predict?

Analysis:

Is that which is defined in God Theory upheld by experiment or obervation?
Can God Theory be up held scientifically?
Can experiments be made to test God Theory?
Is God Theory consistent with current scientific observations and laws?

Conclusion:

If yes- then God Theory may be an apropriate explanation of observable traits in our universe.

If no- then God Theory is not an appropriate explanation of our observable universe.

If untestable- then God Theory is not a useful explenation of our observable universe since it can not make observable predictions.

That really had nothing to do with what I said, in fact it contradicted what I said. Things happen everyday that doesn't abide by the bloody laws of science. Things happen everyday that don't abide by the laws of god. A busfull of little kids goes off a cliff, proof against god, none of the kids are even hurt, proof against scientific law. This discussion can go on for eternity and will never be solved. And your simple Test Analysis has neither proved nor disproved anything.

I was just offering a solution in the terms of science. And if it is not plain enough to you, but they speak a different language. Science can not be confused with religion or faith or God, or anything for that matter which does not contribute to the domain of science:

---a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws.

---systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.

From these to definitions it is apparent that religion or the theorizing about God have little place in science.

I see I see. But science and religion have been twined together for a very long time. How else do you explain Theology. And the vatican. I'm not trying to get on anyones bad sad here. I'm just trying to offer up that there is a possibility that no one knows who is right until we die. There is no other way to prove beyond any doubt other than to kill yourself, and at that point its too late. OH well, gold made, I'm satisfied.

[alternative[addiction]!]

God created science.

But he also created us, so then we created our own version of science as we know it.

:]

[wolfkiller_sage]

cookie~in~a~cake~factory

Ok so most people believe in some kind of god. Me and my friend are just saying prove that any god exsists. How do you know and what makes you believe. I am if god did exsit then no one whould ever die there would be no war and no death

[abeed]

1- who created the world..and if you say it was created from something in the space or galaxy..who created them ??
2- you were born and raised...who created you...and going all the way to the roots..who created Adam and Eve ?
3- everything comes to an end so..you're life time is getting shorter..so..what comes after death ..and if you say hell and heaven ..how were they created ??

think about these question and you'll have one answer for all of them !! biggrin ..good luck in knowing god existance .

[Vicar_of_Sagacity]

kochou_kitsune

Vicar_of_Sagacity

kochou_kitsune

Vicar_of_Sagacity

kochou_kitsune

Religion is based on faith, its all a test to find out who is worth saving at the end of life. Thats the story which means that if there was a divine being you could never prove it because proof denies faith. And saying bloody science proves evolution or whatever theory you believe in is just crap. There are a thousand and one holes in every theory they have. And who's to say that someones deity didn't create life that way, just to filter nonbelievers? Being completely closed minded about everything is stupid. But thats the way religions are, you have to be all in or not in at all. There is no room for doubters in religion. So of course its up to the atheists and agnostics to do the pondering for the ones in religion. And just remember Clive Staples Lewis. He tried to prove god doesn't exist through science and only ended up making a christian out of himself. If he can't disprove god, then I truly doubt anyone on this website can.

Is God real?

Test:

What is God? How would you define God? (insert suitable definition)

What effects would "God" have on the observable universe? What obervational phenomenon would God Theory predict?

Analysis:

Is that which is defined in God Theory upheld by experiment or obervation?
Can God Theory be up held scientifically?
Can experiments be made to test God Theory?
Is God Theory consistent with current scientific observations and laws?

Conclusion:

If yes- then God Theory may be an apropriate explanation of observable traits in our universe.

If no- then God Theory is not an appropriate explanation of our observable universe.

If untestable- then God Theory is not a useful explenation of our observable universe since it can not make observable predictions.

That really had nothing to do with what I said, in fact it contradicted what I said. Things happen everyday that doesn't abide by the bloody laws of science. Things happen everyday that don't abide by the laws of god. A busfull of little kids goes off a cliff, proof against god, none of the kids are even hurt, proof against scientific law. This discussion can go on for eternity and will never be solved. And your simple Test Analysis has neither proved nor disproved anything.

I was just offering a solution in the terms of science. And if it is not plain enough to you, but they speak a different language. Science can not be confused with religion or faith or God, or anything for that matter which does not contribute to the domain of science:

---a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws.

---systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.

From these to definitions it is apparent that religion or the theorizing about God have little place in science.

I see I see. But science and religion have been twined together for a very long time. How else do you explain Theology. And the vatican. I'm not trying to get on anyones bad sad here. I'm just trying to offer up that there is a possibility that no one knows who is right until we die. There is no other way to prove beyond any doubt other than to kill yourself, and at that point its too late. OH well, gold made, I'm satisfied.

The only reply science could give in this case, if you chose suicide, is much the same as if you fell into a black hole. Since there is no way to get the information back to the rest of the world so they can observe it when it has little meaning. But then of course this analogy only goes so far becuase science can study black holes and gather information from them.

And since Kurt Godel found through mathematical logic that:
"Within any sufficiently complex logical system there must exist statements that can neither be proven nor disproven. That whether a system itself is logically consistent cannot be proven within the system."

So more or less, the people who argue for proof of God are on the very wrong track, since we all exist in the same system, and can never exist outside that system while communicating information back in. So we as a species are somewhat stuck and can only ever keep asking.

[Beyond_Oblivion]

abeed

1- who created the world..and if you say it was created from something in the space or galaxy..who created them ??
2- you were born and raised...who created you...and going all the way to the roots..who created Adam and Eve ?
3- everything comes to an end so..you're life time is getting shorter..so..what comes after death ..and if you say hell and heaven ..how were they created ??

think about these question and you'll have one answer for all of them !! biggrin ..good luck in knowing god existance .

But I did not come up with the same answer for all of them:
1.) Well, I am not sure what created everything. I assert that the big bang happened due to several observations that confirm predictions made by it. Therefore, I cannot know what came before the big bang due to the issues involved with infinite energy densities. Thus, it is possible that everything came from nothing. Therefore, no one had to create anything.

2.) Who are this Amdam and Eve you speak of? Surely you are not asserting that the Biblical figures existed.

3.) I don't know what comes after death. Could be nothing or something. If it is nothing, no one needed to create it.

[Vicar_of_Sagacity]

wolfkiller_sage

cookie~in~a~cake~factory

Ok so most people believe in some kind of god. Me and my friend are just saying prove that any god exsists. How do you know and what makes you believe. I am if god did exsit then no one whould ever die there would be no war and no death

The point is "proving" that God exists is not within the realm of science. And nor is proving that he does not "exist". Science is only concerned with the obervable world and the consistancy of the laws of physics.

[Vicar_of_Sagacity]

abeed

1- who created the world..and if you say it was created from something in the space or galaxy..who created them ??
2- you were born and raised...who created you...and going all the way to the roots..who created Adam and Eve ?
3- everything comes to an end so..you're life time is getting shorter..so..what comes after death ..and if you say hell and heaven ..how were they created ??

think about these question and you'll have one answer for all of them !! biggrin ..good luck in knowing god existance .

1. Created is a meaningless word, for there was nothing before the universe as far as science is concerned for time began at its "birth". To speak of the universe as having been created has no context what-so-ever.

2. Adam and Eve never were, they were symbols, but the human race evolved from less complex adaptive systems. Sooner or later we became more suited to the enviroment than other creatures becuase we acquired the capacity of a difference engine (ie. Existence v non-existence, good v evil, etc.).

3. Death is merely the description of the ending of a process, or its changing into another process (ie. from the decomposition of your body).
You are adding your own values and feelings into a topic that requires a sort of objectivity. Death is NOT and end, it a point of change that is pivotal enough that it is noticed.

[Emaleya]

Steampunk Patashu

Emaleya

I also agree with Thomas Aquinas.

Basically he proves the exixstence of a 'Creator'

Where did the universe come from? The big bang, where did the big bang come from? dust and stuff floating around before it...where did this stuff come from? it could go on, but it has to have started somewhere..You don't look at a train where you can see no beginning and no end an say that it is infinite, you say that it is long perhaps...

Something had to put he matter in the universe and give it a direction (outwards) that's all.

He doesn't say anything about the natue of this 'Creator'. (it could be anything...I like saying it's a fungus...)

Did he prove the creator had to be an animated or otherwise intelligent force?

nope

[Emaleya]

proving the existence of a god isn't in the realm of science, it's in the realm of philosophy and logic.

[Corbenik Ovan]

Venom3001

Look straight up at noon and you see my God. He provides light and warmth. Science has shown He makes life possible by granting plants the gift photosynthesis.

Thank you.

umm light... is part of photosynthesis... which is a science term... going against god... because if it is from god then it "just is" or thats what im preached to... which goes in one ear and out the other.