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no, shame on you for being a spoiled brat when more than half a million each month goes into trying to make you happy.

Citation please! D:
A site of Gaia's size is using many servers, so..let's throw an estimate of ten out there.
A Dell PowerEdge set at base cost (no frills) is $1,032.

That's $10,320 for just the server racks.
Next, how about hosting? using netro.ca's calculator, if Gaia only had 10% of its current userbase online, using a speed of dsl for access (756kb/s) and an average stay time of 15-20 mins, they would be running about 22,192 gigs a month. now, multiply that by ten, and that's the full 100% Gaia gets. 225,000 gigs of just browsing traffic per month, not including games, towns, or anything else. Using their $3 per gig average, that comes out to $675,000 per month to keep this place up and running.
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Citation that isn't your random made up bullshit, please!

CITATION: dell.com stockroom, dell poweredge tower with barebones configuration.
citation: usage base calculator, netro.ca
citation: price per gig, "build your own package", netro.ca.
read the damn thing next time, please.


Proof/citation that GAIA costs that much money, not your random made up website with your random made up figures, kthx.



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Guess what? The Staff doesn't need a monthly pay check of $500,000 dollars. Either way, you're just backpedaling.

then wheres your proof about this then? you seem to think everyone else has proof but where yours?
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What proof do you want? Tell me and I'll give it to you.

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Uke is actually correct it takes around that much money to run this large site. With its growing population and every new feature, etc it will cost a lot more each time something gets added, they have to buy more servers just to increase the limit of everything included within the site.
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You have no idea what you're talking about, okay? =D Unless you can cite a Gaia Staff or an article about Gaia (outside of Gaia) saying that, I refuse to believe you.


Edit: Also, Gaia makes over $1 million a month from users buying MCs and Cash Shop items. So, try again plzkthx.
http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/casual-connect-gaia-onlines-trojan-horse-mmo/?biz=1



yeah and guess where the rest of that money goes 3nodding it goes to the staff, because the devs who created these items get most of that money and besides they gotta live too and they can't run the site if they can't live.
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Guess what? The Staff doesn't need a monthly pay check of $500,000 dollars. Either way, you're just backpedaling.

Citation please.

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I have only been here for a few months, but i really don't like the way some of this is going. As a noob, I was just thrilled to be on gaia and made lots of friends.

But, now, not so much. There is another issue I would like to adress....

There are ***** and perverts running around gaia, making trouble for innocnet people who want to have fun.

An example of this would be what has happened to me a while back:

I met someone named I Am Lord Poison in a town one day, and we became fast friends. Three days later, he asked me out and I said no. He then proceeded to harrass and threaten to rape me. I and my friends reported him, BUT NOBODY DID A DAMN THING!!!! This problem went on for weeks, and though he seems to have left, my friends and i have no idea if he's finished yet.

I am not saying this to whine and cry, but why is someone like that allowed to go on without being banned? Isn't gaia supposed to be kid-friendly?

Which brings me to my second question:

Mtv is rather inappropriate for kids, don't you think? Why in the heck is it on a site for kids? This makes me so mad!!!!!
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Uke is actually correct it takes around that much money to run this large site. With its growing population and every new feature, etc it will cost a lot more each time something gets added, they have to buy more servers just to increase the limit of everything included within the site.
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You have no idea what you're talking about, okay? =D Unless you can cite a Gaia Staff or an article about Gaia (outside of Gaia) saying that, I refuse to believe you.


Edit: Also, Gaia makes over $1 million a month from users buying MCs and Cash Shop items. So, try again plzkthx.
http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/casual-connect-gaia-onlines-trojan-horse-mmo/?biz=1



yeah and guess where the rest of that money goes 3nodding it goes to the staff, because the devs who created these items get most of that money and besides they gotta live too and they can't run the site if they can't live.
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Guess what? The Staff doesn't need a monthly pay check of $500,000 dollars. Either way, you're just backpedaling.

Citation please.
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I wasn't stating they make that much money. I was commenting on the fact that he said the servers cost half a million, and that the rest of the money goes to the devs.

Moonlight Silver

Proof/citation that GAIA costs that much money, not your random made up website with your random made up figures, kthx.

They're not made up, sweeite. Maybe you should READ his post. There's a website you can look at.


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Guess what? The Staff doesn't need a monthly pay check of $500,000 dollars. Either way, you're just backpedaling.

then wheres your proof about this then? you seem to think everyone else has proof but where yours?
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What proof do you want? Tell me and I'll give it to you.


I would like a copy of the conversation you had to get this information.

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Uke is actually correct it takes around that much money to run this large site. With its growing population and every new feature, etc it will cost a lot more each time something gets added, they have to buy more servers just to increase the limit of everything included within the site.
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You have no idea what you're talking about, okay? =D Unless you can cite a Gaia Staff or an article about Gaia (outside of Gaia) saying that, I refuse to believe you.


Edit: Also, Gaia makes over $1 million a month from users buying MCs and Cash Shop items. So, try again plzkthx.
http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/casual-connect-gaia-onlines-trojan-horse-mmo/?biz=1



yeah and guess where the rest of that money goes 3nodding it goes to the staff, because the devs who created these items get most of that money and besides they gotta live too and they can't run the site if they can't live.
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Guess what? The Staff doesn't need a monthly pay check of $500,000 dollars. Either way, you're just backpedaling.

then wheres your proof about this then? you seem to think everyone else has proof but where yours?


She's not triyng to prove anything. She's asking you where you got your information from..
its pretty obvious what they do with the money, their Bills gotta be paid and you can tell thats a lot of money to deal with right there, a lot of crap has to be paid no matter how much money they get.
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Yes, I know. As I asid in the other post, I know that quite a few of the admin team are on our side and unhappy about how things are going, but surely there's a better solution to make both sides happy, rather than the "well aquarium generates gold and maybe you'll get lucky in DC, so get over it!" kind of responses. I don't remember which dev it was, but that's the gist of their reply to alot of complaints about it being cash only in one thread I saw. It wasn't that word for word, but it was a reply of "It generates gold and items from the clam!" which presents the problem of that when your starter fish die, if you don't buy it in the shop and dont have gold to afford the absurd MP prices for one fish that's going to last maybe three months tops and the DC never grants you one, then your aquarium becomes nothing more than a useless lump of code. You lost the gold and items that would have been generated during however long you lack fish to please.
For Durem!

See, I'm not so worried about them dying off. I haven't spent a cent on Aquariums, either in cash or in gold, and I've got about 13 fish already (two of which I've set to die in my tank of doom, since there's no way to increase the health of a tank yet), so I'll forgive them a small amount for that. But I can see what you're saying, and I agree with it. Paying real money for a toy that doesn't work in 2-6 weeks is unintelligent to say the least. If they'd made the expirable items gold, and things like the backgrounds and toys (which don't die on us) cash only, I'd actually have no issue at all. However, I'm digressing from the topic at hand and I'm sorry.

I think my problem is, while I can see some of the points made by the OP, and they're valid enough, I can't quite get up the same level of spleen. Like the complaints about ads, it's been pointed out a million times (probably not in this thread though) that Gaia can't pre-screen their ads, and there is a thread for reporting inappropriate and malicious ads. And they work- I haven't seen the breast enhancement ad in over a week. So, I hope the people who can fix things do see how many people are upset, but at the same time, they aren't omnipotent, there are some things out of their hands.
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I love Gaia, I have for a long time. Even so, I'm sick of being unable to get the cool stuff without six months of questing to get one item or having to rely on donations frm friends whenever they get an extra bit of gold.

But I can live with that, I have the time and boredom to spare for questing.

What really bugs me is that they don't fix glitches most of the time for days or if they do "fix" them, there's still sometimes problems.

Not to mention all of the useless new features recently.

How many people use GIM? I have over 100 people on my friend list, and the only one I've ever seen on the GIMlist whe I signed in to see how it worked was the GuildBot. When there were fifty "GAIA I HATE GIM" threads on one page of the SF, it's pretty hard not to understand that we don't like the feature.

I think it's bullshit to say "they can't respond to all ten thousand people at once" when that same ten thousand you claim they can't please all want the exact same thing from Gaia.

No, they won't ever be able to please every last person, and no they don't owe us everything, but again. They owe us the consideration to at least respond to our complaints and fix what they have the means to fix in a way that will please both ends.

And on the ads, I've gotten porn ads in the PM reply page once or twice. I've reported them, but haven't gone back to my PM page since I haven't had any PMs since then so I don't know if they're gone, but they shouldn't be there at all, since this is a PG-13 site. I've been on a virtual pet-site for young teens once or twice that relies on ads as their primary source of funding who've done a better job of screening inappropriate ads than Gai has done lately. I can't say one hundred percent that's their fault that those things slip through, but from what I've been told about inappropriate ads recently, you'd think they'd ad least look into it.
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I have only been here for a few months, but i really don't like the way some of this is going. As a noob, I was just thrilled to be on gaia and made lots of friends.

But, now, not so much. There is another issue I would like to adress....

There are ***** and perverts running around gaia, making trouble for innocnet people who want to have fun.

An example of this would be what has happened to me a while back:

I met someone named I Am Lord Poison in a town one day, and we became fast friends. Three days later, he asked me out and I said no. He then proceeded to harrass and threaten to rape me. I and my friends reported him, BUT NOBODY DID A DAMN THING!!!! This problem went on for weeks, and though he seems to have left, my friends and i have no idea if he's finished yet.

I am not saying this to whine and cry, but why is someone like that allowed to go on without being banned? Isn't gaia supposed to be kid-friendly?

Which brings me to my second question:

Mtv is rather inappropriate for kids, don't you think? Why in the heck is it on a site for kids? This makes me so mad!!!!!
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Gaia is for users ages 13+. Kids are not allowed on this website. Also, you should report them and also block them (like the opposite of a friendslist). If they keep harrassing you, I would suggest you contact a Mod by PM directly.

moonlight silver i adore your sig, just so you know........

* keeps reading the debate *
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I wasn't stating they make that much money. I was commenting on the fact that he said the servers cost half a million, and that the rest of the money goes to the devs.

No,

A) Pay for the servers

B) Pay for the building to house the servers

C) Pay for the building to house the Gaia Office

D) Pay the employees

E) Pay The admin's personal bills

F) Rest is pocket money, if it doesn't go to a bank account Gaia has set up to help pay for new features.
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Moonlight Silver

Proof/citation that GAIA costs that much money, not your random made up website with your random made up figures, kthx.

They're not made up, sweeite. Maybe you should READ his post. There's a website you can look at.
Does the website state GAIA ONLINE MAKES THIS MUCH: ----- ? Nope. It's about websites in general, not GAIA. (Though, I didn't read it, so I might be wrong. =D If it does say GAIA MAKES THIS MUCH can you quote that sentence in this thread, and provide the link again?)


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Guess what? The Staff doesn't need a monthly pay check of $500,000 dollars. Either way, you're just backpedaling.

then wheres your proof about this then? you seem to think everyone else has proof but where yours?
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What proof do you want? Tell me and I'll give it to you.


I would like a copy of the conversation you had to get this information.User Image



WHAT information? I'll give it to you, but I don't know what you're asking for.

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I am not saying this to whine and cry, but why is someone like that allowed to go on without being banned? Isn't gaia supposed to be kid-friendly?

Which brings me to my second question:

Mtv is rather inappropriate for kids, don't you think? Why in the heck is it on a site for kids? This makes me so mad!!!!!


Kids shouldn't be on Gaia. Gaia is for 13+.

I'm sorry about the jerks, but there are jerks out there on the web and IRL, gasp. As long as you didn't give him any personal information, you'll be all right. Fill out a complaint and wait a while for a mod to do something about it. All you can do.
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I wasn't stating they make that much money. I was commenting on the fact that he said the servers cost half a million, and that the rest of the money goes to the devs.

No,

A) Pay for the servers

B) Pay for the building to house the servers

C) Pay for the building to house the Gaia Office

D) Pay the employees

E) Pay The admin's personal bills

F) Rest is pocket money, if it doesn't go to a bank account Gaia has set up to help pay for new features.
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Okay, but whoever I was responding to said half a million was for servers, and the rest went to the devs. I was just sarcastically commenting on what he said. 3nodding


Edit: Thanks ukE Alphonse. =D
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Proof/citation that GAIA costs that much money, not your random made up website with your random made up figures, kthx.

They're not made up, sweeite. Maybe you should READ his post. There's a website you can look at.
Does the website state GAIA ONLINE MAKES THIS MUCH: ----- ? Nope. It's about websites in general, not GAIA. (Though, I didn't read it, so I might be wrong. =D If it does say GAIA MAKES THIS MUCH can you quote that sentence in this thread, and provide the link again?)
Does Gaia have special accommodations to pay a different rate? I don't think so. Therefore, the information linked is sufficient. If you deny it is, then you're arguing for the sake of arguing, and that is flaming.


Moonlight Silver


WHAT information? I'll give it to you, but I don't know what you're asking for.

Are you not following your own side of the conversation?
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yeah and guess where the rest of that money goes 3nodding it goes to the staff, because the devs who created these items get most of that money and besides they gotta live too and they can't run the site if they can't live.
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Guess what? The Staff doesn't need a monthly pay check of $500,000 dollars. Either way, you're just backpedaling.

then wheres your proof about this then? you seem to think everyone else has proof but where yours?


She's not triyng to prove anything. She's asking you where you got your information from..
its pretty obvious what they do with the money, their Bills gotta be paid and you can tell thats a lot of money to deal with right there, a lot of crap has to be paid no matter how much money they get.


How do you know that the admins/developers aren't 18 and in college? I'm not saying they don't get paid. I am saying that what they do isn't a high paying salary, and the amount of over 500k is much too high for them to be dolling out to the staff.

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