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[Chiakumu Hyana]

Razkan

Why not just have, like the daily chance, a system where the cash increases by a specific amount depending on how long you've been on Gaia. So as an example: for those who have been on Gaia since day 1, they'd get (using this number as an example, not the actual price they might choose) about the same value as $15, or so, per week or per month. Giving us this amount makes us believe that you (Gaia) are giving us a reward for being a member on this site.
Now as for the noobs that just barely joining, they will get at least the same value as $2, and will INCREASE BY $2 PER 6 MONTHS that they stay on the site. (Meaning that they do not get banned, or flame, or anything that will violate TOS) The maximum anyone can get to will be about $20 per week (weeks perferred, but monthly works).

Also, you cannot trade the money (like the rule they have now) to anyone, or from your mules. That defeats the purpose.

Also, what about the decrease in gold per post? Why not have it be; start off with a little bit of gold, like 5, then increase by 10 gold per post?
Surfing should stay a range of 2 - 3 gold.

Anyone else agree with me here? I can tweak it a bit to make it a bit more fair, but I'm thinking about those who hack/bot/cheat/scam that just want gold and are greedy, etc., to stop having the best benifits.

I'll sign the petition, but I lost hope 2 years ago.
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That's way too much, and Gaia would go bust within a few days.

To follow something like that, users from between 2003/2005 should get an allowance worth $1.50 every month, while those from 2006/2007 get an allowance of gold worth $0.50 per month. This would though inflate the economy, unless structured in a particular way. My math isn't too good in this area, but it could go either way, and benefit the older users.

Gaia still cannot detect mules. So enforcing that rule would be impossible, however, you could allow only $2.00 worth of gold to any one IP address (monthly) that would be enforcable. Any accounts using that IP, would have their share divided by how many people using that IP address.

It's of my opinion that gold should not be raised. Gaia have already done this, a significant amount, and I do not want it going any further, and inflating prices. In FACT, it should be decreased to 3g maximum per post with a 5 g every tenth post that isn't in the chatterbox forum, also giving the mods power to deduct money, every time spam is made by a player outside of the chatterbox forum.

[Y4MB4lY4J4MBoR]

Okay. But I am not very interested in trading money. Because of the current situation of the banks. And I don´t know if this situation is carring over to Gaia-Cash.
But I have a new suggestion: Why don´t we get a different amount of money which depends on the thread in that we post not only the same amount?

[Chiakumu Hyana]

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kikirin~sakyomi

Just been lurking a bit so now I'm back, lol. I suppose my walls of text were getting annoying so I took a bit of a break.

BTW, found those links to be quite interesting indeed. I wonder-is there a law that says they can't disclose money balance?

No, but there are many reasons why they wouldn't want to. sweatdrop They already disclose a fair bit of info regarding their cash flow (staff candidly refer to the $1.5 million/month in expenses, for example), and in general the users have proven more than eager to tell them just where the money should and shouldn't be going.

I don't think any especially helpful and constructive financial advice for Gaia will ever come from its user base - disclosing its balance sheets will just lead to more detailed know-all feedback. xp

We don't need more encouragement to direct our feedback at Gaia's business decisions rather than its features, which happens too much already.

If Gaia becomes a public company, though, they will have to release this info to shareholders..

I for one WILL be making my self a shareholder if they do so...or at least, I'll be a creditor...XD.

This is the site feedback forum, it's exactly what it's here for.


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Also...Sarah, the moderator....Astral has a huge point, that you're just side stepping time and time again. (at least from my point of view, which is why Astral is coming back with huge posts time and time again)

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Chiakumu Hyana

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kikirin~sakyomi

Just been lurking a bit so now I'm back, lol. I suppose my walls of text were getting annoying so I took a bit of a break.

BTW, found those links to be quite interesting indeed. I wonder-is there a law that says they can't disclose money balance?

No, but there are many reasons why they wouldn't want to. sweatdrop They already disclose a fair bit of info regarding their cash flow (staff candidly refer to the $1.5 million/month in expenses, for example), and in general the users have proven more than eager to tell them just where the money should and shouldn't be going.

I don't think any especially helpful and constructive financial advice for Gaia will ever come from its user base - disclosing its balance sheets will just lead to more detailed know-all feedback. xp

We don't need more encouragement to direct our feedback at Gaia's business decisions rather than its features, which happens too much already.

If Gaia becomes a public company, though, they will have to release this info to shareholders..

I for one WILL be making my self a shareholder if they do so...or at least, I'll be a creditor...XD.

This is the site feedback forum, it's exactly what it's here for.

Hell, me too! XD

This forum is for Site feedback, which in that post I tried to distinguish from Gaia Interactive, Inc. feedback. ^^ I think disclosing all of the business' financial info would lead to unhelpful, distracted feedback from the users in general, when really we should give feedback on what it's like for us, using the site.

[TastesLikeMaliciousIntent]

Punch your lights out
Hit the pavement
That's what I call entertainment

Karly Unique

MCs : So, the EIs are wonderful. But, what happened to the MCs, Gaia!? I remember, way back when, that the MCs were the highlight of the month unless there was an event. My friends and I would sit there, waiting for the announcement to come out, telling us what the cool MCs were going to be. I understand having them as cash items as well, seeing as that was originally what you had them. But you really need to fix them up. How about making an EI MC, hmm?

Yeah...the old MC's used to be really awesome, and now they kind of suck. One of my friends has said that it is probably because they are running out of ideas. I'm not sure how I feel about that, because they obviously have some good ideas left...most of the EI's are wonderful. So they should definitely bring back the better MC's. I mean, as some one said in another post, the MC's lately have been selling for around 10k in the MP. Of course, the older ones ARE rarer because there were less people on the site, so that means less of them out, but they were also BETTER items. Also, with the older MC's, I'm sure that there are a number of each that are frozen due to being in inventories of users who are no longer active for whatever reason, making them rarer still. With the older ones, there are usually multiple poses that I like for BOTH (or, during their experimental phase, all three) of the items released for the month. But lately, it's a good month if I even like ONE pose out of each. And as for the EI being in an MC...that would be awesome! biggrin Definitely raise my faith in the MCs becoming good again. razz

Karly Unique

Gaia Economy : What happened here!? When I first joined, having 10,000 gold was an amazing feat! I miss the old days, Gaia, where the items didn't cost more than ( at the VERY most ) 60k in the MP. You need to fix it, put a price limit on things. You know how you have that "average price" thing? Well, USE IT! Make sure people cannot go 5k over that price, and don't jack the AP up, either, Gaia. We'll notice. Don't think we won't.

Gaia doesn't make the MP prices for the items in the MP though. The users do. And the only way to bring down the economy there is to just get enough people to not buy the item. If no one buys the items that are really expensive, the users who are selling them would have no choice but to lower the prices. But I really don't see that happening too much. And I think that Gaia may be trying to help with that problem. Like, with the Nightmare box (which is mostly fail, as has been stated many times...I bought three (I can't help it...I love chancey things like those... sweatdrop ) and I got Exalted Rook, Egyptian Sphinx Dark, and Midnight Gothic Bat Choker...but that is irrelevant...just showing the fail-ness of the box...anyways...back to point...with the Nightmare Box...) they have added some of the old Nitemare items that were rare and expensive. If there are more of them out, then of course the price is going to drop (just like MOST quest items sell for about 6g...10-12g if you wait for over a year after the quest...). And the announcement for the Nightmare box came out on Thursday. According to the MP price graph on tektek (HERE), there was a steep drop on Friday. Of course, that could be because fewer people bought it that day or whatever, but even with that in mind, and the spike on up on Sunday, the price is lower now than it was before the box came out. So they SEEM to be doing what is IN THEIR POWER to do. Because, aside from releasing a few more of the item, there's really not much else they CAN do.

Karly Unique

Glitches and Updates : Gaia, some of us keep track of what is going wrong within the Website as to not upset it more. Tell us what is going on, and tell us when it is fixed so we're not worrying that Gaia is having another break down on us. Some of us do like to know. Seriously. Also, I agree with fixing the glitches before working on the EIs or anything like that. Because then, in the end, you're stuck with a pile of glitches and Gaians are screaming about the fact that the website is going screwy on us.

It WOULD be a really good idea if they did something like that. I mean, they have the weekly EI update, so they could do it like that. Just a weekly announcement on the same day every week that kind of updates the users who care about what's going on with the site...bugs, glitches, etc. Or, they could give it it's own title in the notifications by our avy up top. Like, site tech update or something. That way, it's to the point, the people who care will know where it is, and the people who don't care don't have to bother with "wasting their time" (though they still get the gold for surfing, while not much, not exactly a waste, either... sweatdrop ). Or give an option to add that to the feeds that they've updated us with. Any of those would be good ideas to keep people informed.

Karly Unique

Events : I remember how excited I was for the Halloween event a two years ago. It was great, and I was SO excited. Last year was decent. But you've started slacking, Gaia. You did promise us an Easter event, then just blew it off. That makes me less excited for the Halloween event.

Yeah...I'm kind of wondering about the Halloween event myself...I'm kind of excited, because I'm hoping it will be great, but I'm also kind of worried that it will be a disappointment. But, with all the hype that they're already giving it and with as popular as it is (I don't think the site glitches nearly as much for any event as it does Halloween, lol...all those pants in '05 XD...my first Gaia event, by the way. wink ), I don't think they'd just NOT have it, ya know?

Karly Unique

The old Gaian bar above posts MUST BE RETURNED! This new fangled way of doing things is going to confuse people who are new even more than the old one did! It took me twenty minutes do understand that I needed to click it in order to see the actions!

Ehh...the new thingy isn't TOO bad...and you really just have to hover over the arrow for the drop box really...not even click it to open it...or at least hovering works for me...I use Mozilla. *shrugs* But the other bar was better...it was rather straight forward, as far as I'm concerned. The pictures looked just like what they did...it worked.

Karly Unique

Also, for the newer profiles, PUT THE QUESTION MARK BACK! I don't want to go through that long terrible process if they don't have a 'view latest posts' thing in their profile.
Signatures are too small. End of story. It's not gonna kill you if you allow us a good number of coding space, so long as the signature doesn't reach to China. You used to have a space limit, rather than letter limit. Revert back!

YES! For the love of all that is holy and unholy, they should put the question mark back. It made things simpler and I never had any problems with it glitching. So I'm not exactly sure why it disappeared...unless...that's a glitch too... o.O ninja
And, because I kind of failed at separating the question mark and the sig parts of the post...not to mention that I'm too lazy to fix it now (I've already been working on this post for over thirty minutes...reading it, cutting out the parts I wasn't responding to, making sure that the coding for the original post flowed through all of it's parts, etc), I'm just going to go ahead and put that I agree very much with that here. ^_^

Karly Unique

Budged and Income : I agree with not advertising Gaia as much. I'm sorry, but this is not a competition of who can get more friends. We are not in second grade, Gaia!
Those of us who are loyal Gaia users tell our friends about it and make it sound wonderful. I myself have recruited a few people. And I know that some of those people have recruited others. If we do that, eventually it will be spread.

YESH! I agree...I've gotten a few of my friends to join Gaia and become (nearly) as addicted to the site as I am. And, of course, they've gotten friends. It works. And it's FREE for Gaia. wink Who doesn't like free things?

Karly Unique

Demographics : Gaiaspacebook!? No. Bad. We want GaiaOnline. People who are on Myspace stick to Myspace. If they're cool with Gaia, fine, but they need to keep Myspace in MYSPACE. That's what it's there for. Stop trying to appeal to younger audiences. Gaia is mainly teenagers ( Ages being at like 12 at the youngest usually ) and adults of many ages. We will not stand for this nonsense of little children running around Gaia trying to take over. That's why Neopets and such were created.

And, though it has been stated before, it will be stated again, that people under 13 are against Gaia's ToS. Which makes me wonder why they accept the sponsorships of things that MOSTLY appeal to people who, by even being on the site, break the very rules that the site has made? That doesn't exactly make sense to me...


And, in closing, I just wanted to thank any one who actually read all of that and I also want to apologize to those who did and say that I at least tried to make it easier by chopping the original post into slices and taking out eh sections I wasn't responding to. The original post is on the previous page of this one. ^_^ (edit: two pages before this one...it took a looong time to do this... sweatdrop )

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[Elevate]

On the subject of Gaia Cash, I actually disagree with it in principle. It is not a good thing for the community, at best it's an indifferent thing, with the potential to make it easier for staff to call on users' real-world money with each new feature and update.

I can understand how it would have made good business sense to implement, but I think it has tipped the balance towards becoming somewhat exclusive.

$10US isn't much for higher-quality Cash Shop items, but the fact that's the only way to get them is not at all in the spirit of Gaia (that's what the MCs, formerly DIs, are for).

Paying real-world money for fish that aren't just virtual, but temporary, is another destructive step in that direction.

With 15,000+ items on Gaia, I think it's really harsh to claim that Gaia's 'best' items are the few dozen listed in the Cash Store (even if that's true, though, wouldn't you hope so? Problem is, that's the definition of 'premium'). I think there have been so great, quirky, spirited item releases quite apart from the Cash Shop.

The issue is that as Cash-based features are expanded and added, real-world socioeconomics start being reflected in this world that used to be wholly an escape, and where gold gain was almost wholly, save for then-cheap DIs, based on time invested, not money.

Sadly this isn't entirely sustainable for a business, when your revenue model is a combination of ads with low click-throughs and MCs that bring in $2.50US each, a tiny fraction of your users ever give you a cent, and you're paying $1.5 million in expenses per month.

Partly out of sympathy, but mainly because I want the site to keep growing as fast as possible, and I agree that as far as financially the original spirit is being maintained, I don't begrudge the staff the Cash Shop. I focus on the reasons I love this site, which is the forums and guilds, and let the handful of exclusive items fade in to the crowd of 15,000 others.

[akela9]

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Chiakumu Hyana

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kikirin~sakyomi

Just been lurking a bit so now I'm back, lol. I suppose my walls of text were getting annoying so I took a bit of a break.

BTW, found those links to be quite interesting indeed. I wonder-is there a law that says they can't disclose money balance?

No, but there are many reasons why they wouldn't want to. sweatdrop They already disclose a fair bit of info regarding their cash flow (staff candidly refer to the $1.5 million/month in expenses, for example), and in general the users have proven more than eager to tell them just where the money should and shouldn't be going.

I don't think any especially helpful and constructive financial advice for Gaia will ever come from its user base - disclosing its balance sheets will just lead to more detailed know-all feedback. xp

We don't need more encouragement to direct our feedback at Gaia's business decisions rather than its features, which happens too much already.

If Gaia becomes a public company, though, they will have to release this info to shareholders..

I for one WILL be making my self a shareholder if they do so...or at least, I'll be a creditor...XD.

This is the site feedback forum, it's exactly what it's here for.

Hell, me too! XD

This forum is for Site feedback, which in that post I tried to distinguish from Gaia Interactive, Inc. feedback. ^^ I think disclosing all of the business' financial info would lead to unhelpful, distracted feedback from the users in general, when really we should give feedback on what it's like for us, using the site.

On the other, OTHER hand I'm starting to believe that paying users have a right to know exactly where their money-for-pixels is going, esp. if said paying users are unhappy with SO MANY aspects of the site, and yet the people WE ARE PAYING aren't doing anything to change the things users are unhappy about. Esp. when we are getting reports that Gaia has made such poor decisions that a 12-million dollar bail out by a coporation that does such things didn't help.(link to article on my profile if desired) How long do we keep throwing money at them to squander? I know it's our CHOICE to spend money with the company, but they keep asking for more, more, more and yet, the situation doesn't improve. We don't have a site we can enjoy, and Gaia still insists that they aren't making a profit. Something is really, really off, somewhere.

[iArctica]

TBH, for the Phin Phan shop, I would prefer it to be both gold and cash where people can chose what they want to pay with. Some people don't want to spend cash, some don't want to spend gold. Simple as that.

[Helvetia]

@ Crimsonn: They CAN'T be running out of ideas,
because the users GIVE them ideas DAILY, in the Petitions forum.

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akela9

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Chiakumu Hyana

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kikirin~sakyomi

Just been lurking a bit so now I'm back, lol. I suppose my walls of text were getting annoying so I took a bit of a break.

BTW, found those links to be quite interesting indeed. I wonder-is there a law that says they can't disclose money balance?

No, but there are many reasons why they wouldn't want to. sweatdrop They already disclose a fair bit of info regarding their cash flow (staff candidly refer to the $1.5 million/month in expenses, for example), and in general the users have proven more than eager to tell them just where the money should and shouldn't be going.

I don't think any especially helpful and constructive financial advice for Gaia will ever come from its user base - disclosing its balance sheets will just lead to more detailed know-all feedback. xp

We don't need more encouragement to direct our feedback at Gaia's business decisions rather than its features, which happens too much already.

If Gaia becomes a public company, though, they will have to release this info to shareholders..

I for one WILL be making my self a shareholder if they do so...or at least, I'll be a creditor...XD.

This is the site feedback forum, it's exactly what it's here for.

Hell, me too! XD

This forum is for Site feedback, which in that post I tried to distinguish from Gaia Interactive, Inc. feedback. ^^ I think disclosing all of the business' financial info would lead to unhelpful, distracted feedback from the users in general, when really we should give feedback on what it's like for us, using the site.

On the other, OTHER hand I'm starting to believe that paying users have a right to know exactly where their money-for-pixels is going, esp. if said paying users are unhappy with SO MANY aspects of the site, and yet the people WE ARE PAYING aren't doing anything to change the things users are unhappy about. Esp. when we are getting reports that Gaia has made such poor decisions that a 12-million dollar bail out by a coporation that does such things didn't help.(link to article on my profile if desired) How long do we keep throwing money at them to squander? I know it's our CHOICE to spend money with the company, but they keep asking for more, more, more and yet, the situation doesn't improve. We don't have a site we can enjoy, and Gaia still insists that they aren't making a profit. Something is really, really off, somewhere.

Yes, but, on the fourth hand, or right foot if you choose, there is a lot of grey area on what paying entitles you to. There's the obvious example of going into a shop, handing over cash in exchange for a product, and having no further say in how you cash is used after that point. Gaia isn't "asking" for cash any more than a shop, it's just putting out the option if you want to buy some extra items first-hand.

It's only getting more complicated than that because of Gaia's well-known pledge to never go 'premium.' As Cash gains prominence, users react depending on whether they think Gaia has tipped the balance just yet. Nobody expects the users to do any less. ^^

[altik_0]

Y'know, it is sortof strange that everyone here has put in over 100 pages of effort to get things changed, when they know they never will, rather than just, say, leave.

Not to say I like any of the changes, it's just I see no reason to put all this effort in when gaia isn't going to pay attention, anyway.

[akela9]

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Chiakumu Hyana

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kikirin~sakyomi

Just been lurking a bit so now I'm back, lol. I suppose my walls of text were getting annoying so I took a bit of a break.

BTW, found those links to be quite interesting indeed. I wonder-is there a law that says they can't disclose money balance?

No, but there are many reasons why they wouldn't want to. sweatdrop They already disclose a fair bit of info regarding their cash flow (staff candidly refer to the $1.5 million/month in expenses, for example), and in general the users have proven more than eager to tell them just where the money should and shouldn't be going.

I don't think any especially helpful and constructive financial advice for Gaia will ever come from its user base - disclosing its balance sheets will just lead to more detailed know-all feedback. xp

We don't need more encouragement to direct our feedback at Gaia's business decisions rather than its features, which happens too much already.

If Gaia becomes a public company, though, they will have to release this info to shareholders..

I for one WILL be making my self a shareholder if they do so...or at least, I'll be a creditor...XD.

This is the site feedback forum, it's exactly what it's here for.

Hell, me too! XD

This forum is for Site feedback, which in that post I tried to distinguish from Gaia Interactive, Inc. feedback. ^^ I think disclosing all of the business' financial info would lead to unhelpful, distracted feedback from the users in general, when really we should give feedback on what it's like for us, using the site.

On the other, OTHER hand I'm starting to believe that paying users have a right to know exactly where their money-for-pixels is going, esp. if said paying users are unhappy with SO MANY aspects of the site, and yet the people WE ARE PAYING aren't doing anything to change the things users are unhappy about. Esp. when we are getting reports that Gaia has made such poor decisions that a 12-million dollar bail out by a coporation that does such things didn't help.(link to article on my profile if desired) How long do we keep throwing money at them to squander? I know it's our CHOICE to spend money with the company, but they keep asking for more, more, more and yet, the situation doesn't improve. We don't have a site we can enjoy, and Gaia still insists that they aren't making a profit. Something is really, really off, somewhere.

Yes, but, on the fourth hand, or right foot if you choose, there is a lot of grey area on what paying entitles you to. There's the obvious example of going into a shop, handing over cash in exchange for a product, and having no further say in how you cash is used after that point. Gaia isn't "asking" for cash any more than a shop, it's just putting out the option if you want to buy some extra items first-hand.

It's only getting more complicated than that because of Gaia's well-known pledge to never go 'premium.' As Cash gains prominence, users react depending on whether they think Gaia has tipped the balance just yet. Nobody expects the users to do any less. ^^

A valid point. I think I've been swayed. biggrin

I guess what makes me "sad" is it's the business end (the business end that I never gave a damn about until recently) that's starting to upset me the most. When I first joined this site, I loved it. It was unique. I wanted (Gaia) to do well, because they were offering a unique service and a place I enjoyed hanging out. Well, suddenly, because of poor business decisions, it's not so much fun for me. And whereas I used to be not only willing but quite happy to throw some cash Gaia's way, I've begun to wonder, "What's the point?" They keep changing the site, it's not the same place I used to enjoy hanging out at, prices keep going up and yet Gaia keeps telling us it needs more money... It's like... The more they seem to "demand" money the less I want to give them any. (I know, I know, the core is still free, it's just the annoying little changes. Like all of a sudden the first 3 options under Shop are all cash oriented, and the first two options on everyone's To Do list are about giving Gaia money...)

[akela9]

Altik_0

Y'know, it is sortof strange that everyone here has put in over 100 pages of effort to get things changed, when they know they never will, rather than just, say, leave.

Not to say I like any of the changes, it's just I see no reason to put all this effort in when gaia isn't going to pay attention, anyway.

I respect everyone's opinions, whether they coincide with mine or not. But I just have to say, hon, that NOT doing anything is certainly not going to change things, either. This might seem futile, but if one is disgruntled then one has a right to speak about WHY they are disgruntled.

[Taladrea]

*just finished reading the 20 some odd pages I missed since Sunday from being on the road* Well, let's see here....we have a lot of new supporters. Thank you for it! A few new trolls (shame on you trollies) and a couple of new replies from Keia..yay!

Chiakumu Hyana

Just before I forget.

Specifically to any Developer, or those on the legal team.

Please explain to me, what your legal law you are hiding behind to keep your books closed and not actually open them to the public. (Actually just state the damn thing, I'd like to tear it to pieces)

I am aware that Gaia is currently an .ltd company, but this is no excuse. Perhaps if you want to run it like a business, you should actually sell shares to users. (With Gaia always owning the majority by 2%). Not only would that generate more revenue, but you would also be forced to make users happy.

Ah yes....a link or two people might find useful to quote (NK?)

This is Gaia Online's owner, Gaia Interactive, Business Week do a lot of research on things like this.
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=27674592

Shows how big the gaia online boards have become since officially launching in 2003. Including member numbers.
http://www.big-boards.com/

Jobs Currently Available at Gaia online.com
http://www.jobster.com/find/US/jobs/for/company sad Gaia+Interactive)


Something I haven't seen before O.O and it quite interesting..401k for dental/medical plans...ftw..
http://corp.gaiaonline.com/

More information on the Deals
http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/deal-radar-2008-gaia-interactive/

Business Opinions
http://www.tradevibes.com/company/profile/gaia-interactive

IGN's perspective on Gaia's zOMG
http://uk.pc.ign.com/objects/764/764624.html

That should help out with NK's post.

Technically, they are under the LTD. Corp. banner...but I snooped around before I did my 3 day drive back home. It's pretty interesting what I came up with under Wiki's listing for Corporations. Here it is: Limited Liability and Further LLC Explaination Both of those links explains what type of Corp. they are. Here is the main article for Corps in Wiki.

Those should help further explain the mysteries of Corps.

Now, I posted this many pages back...but since the demographics debate came back up here is a link for it: Demographics conducted by Quantcast. That should put some of the issues to light and such. Again.

The ToS here on Gaia states this:

Quote:

Eligibility; Account Information. Gaia Online is not available to persons under the age of 13 or to any Members suspended or removed from Gaia Online by Gaia. You agree that the information you provide to Gaia on Member registration and, at all other times, will be true, accurate, current and complete. You also agree that you will ensure that this information is kept accurate and up-to-date at all times.

Meaning a change in the ToS occurred sometime ago. However, no announcement was made of the changes to the ToS. So, now we have to deal with the Tweens here on the site; or rather the older part of the Tween demographic (no offense). Apparently, that was the goal for the new CEO (hypothetically). I remember when the age limit was higher then 13. sweatdrop

[senior senior]

Whats an EI?