Don't your users matter? Dev replies; More replies please!

[AncientOnyx]

Why Ancient...

The problem with a topic such as this getting so big at over 100 pages? People don't read everything so become fixated on OP just having a whinge and moan at Gaia.

Valid points are made on both sides of the fence here. In the end it'll be Gaia who makes the final decision based on what cash sales are going through Phin Phang. I still have hopes some items will be introduced that will be gold and cash, or a review of the entire system that will make all items in Phin Phang gold and cash, like the others are. Time will tell.

In the meantime I'm not having to spend a single cent/penny on Phin Phang with everything coming from the DC anyway

...Why Onyx?

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devyn-m

you are ridiculous.
This site is run by people.... people who are innovative thinkers, who started with an idea, just an idea. Over years of trial and error, we have all together, grown into a huge online community. Mind you in the entire time, you do not have to pay a dime to play Gaia. They have, without a doubt, constantly kept it updated, fresh and improved.. Constant, meaning that they are learning what works and what doesn't work. They are still the same people, growing along with Gaia.. In order to keep up with the demands it is only certain that they'd have to make money somehow. Why not give users the option to buy things? These things aren't mandatory to play the game, they are still in fact, AN OPTION.

You seem to not understand the true realization of growth and progress in technology. Maybe you think that these people have nothing else to do but raise their own money to keep the site up and running. If that is what you think, you are sadly mistaken.

Why not just be grateful for what this site provides you, which is a place where you can FREELY reveal your asinine opinions in front of thousands of users. Yay Gaia.

Very mature.
But yes, I agree that Gaia needs money and I wish people would realize that. But they are going about getting money the wrong way. $10 for an item is insane, end of story. If you can afford that, and wish to support it, then, by all means, go ahead. But I don't agree with it. For a price like that, they could at least let us wear more than one pose. You are paying $10 for a single equippable item. It doesn't matter that there are 20 or even 40 different poses, you can only wear one at a time. There are just different ways of doing this. That's all I'm saying.

And really, the items aren't much of an option. Gaia advertises itself as being a site where you can be whatever you want to be, but what about if you "need" one of the CS items to complete your look? Then you're pretty much screwed. A newbie could never afford a CS item for gold. I'm an oldbie, and even I can't. I don't hate the cash shop, and I don't hate Gaia making money. But I simply think there are better ways of getting it.

My opinion has just as much merit as yours, even if you don't agree with it. :] Calling it asinine just because you disagree with it is rather childish of you. And as I'm sure you can see, I'm not the only one that feels this way.

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devyn-m

[ .NK. ]

[Emotional Hobocore]

If you want Gaia's policy's to change, don't just post on the message board, although that is a great way to drum up support.

You gotta hit Gaia where it hurts, boycott them, don't buy any MCs or Cash Shop Items. Gaia will notice something is wrong when they notice the donations dropping.

Do what you can and make your voice heard here.

I already have boycotted the CS, and I stopped buying MCs a long time ago. I'll check out that link, too. Thanks.

p.s. you stopped buying them, but you damn sure are wearing 'um. So you may want to modify that statement. I would venture to say, a true boycott would be too much to bare.

I meant to reply to this earlier but forgot. But anyways, I'm not wearing any CS items. :3 I was, but took them off the other day when I was finally able to change my avatar because I had to move my items to a different account, which finally enabled me to actually use my avatar equipper. :]
I'm wearing MCs that I've had for awhile before all this CS stuff started up.

[Eyeriel]

[ Poltergeist Parade ]

Oh dear lawd that first post and many of the replys sounded exactly like my girlfriend everytime she gets hormonal and starts to whine.

Seriously it's people like you that will never be pleased, If your that disgusted by gaia then go and start up your own social networking site/ mmorpg and quit your complaing here. The rest of us think this is a pretty darn good place.

Anywho that's my two sense. To be honest i thing "devyn-m" has allready put it just right ^^

[Thee Stranger]

Yes, it is about the money now. I don't really care about the cash shop. If it's helpin' the place out, whatever. I actually think you're kind of being a whiny kid about this.

The only issue that kind of pisses me off is the gift giving now. Like, I had a feed the other day that one of my friends was having a birthday, so I decided to give him something. I was gonna give him my revolver, but when I click to give him a gift, it takes me right to cash shop. The way it used to work is that I could give him anything in my inventory, wrap it up in a box, and there ya go. Now the only way it will let me give him a gift is if I pay Gaia money via cash shop. That's bullshit. What if I want to give someone something specific that's not a cash shop item?

Donating to Gaia has always been optional.
Buying Monthly Collectibles has always been optional.
And giving someone a gift via cash shop should be optional too. Cash Shop shouldn't be the only way in which I can do that.

Same thing with Phin Phang. Cash only. Bullshit.

[Sokta]

I support everything you've said in this thread so far (even though I've only read half way up to page 61 xD), and I just wanted to skip to the end for a bit to see where everyone's at..

*sighs*

Why are people being so negative? These are all very valid points being made. We (you) want Gaia to change, not because we're being ornery or just want to be mean, we (you) want them to be better them they are.

No one knows this site better than the users. If anything, they should be looking to here and taking the advice of it's users (customers) on how to better sell their products, yes?

We know what we want, and how much we're willing to pay. :D Why not listen.

[Cafe au Vanilla]

The CS made it THAT much harder to get rich on the site. It's completely unfair that you have to use a "gaia cash" system to buy those items as well. Poeple who CAN use gaia cash cards/have at least a mil in spare gold/ or have paypal can advance in the game oh so much faster than those who obviously don't have these resorces to help them out. To make the amount of you you need to get a CS item in the cash shop you'll most likely have to post every day, every minute for I dunno a year?

I've always thought Gaia gold had oh so much more value than cash.

Seriously when are you going to fix towns? neutral

[Pavil Roma]

sup kayne.
So gaias not allowed to change at all, or ask for any money, even if they give you retribution for your money, to keep afloat?

Completely ignore that if they didnt care about their users they'd just ask fo the money, release s**t items for donations prizes, or even worse make this a full paysite.

On the subject of zOMG. Not thier name, a user thought it'd be a good idea, and won a contest.

Theirs more then one team of people working on features, which is why some smaller ones get cranked out before zOMg.
Besides, would you want a really shitty battle system out fast, or an amazing one out slow?


Besides, this fighting back?
lets lok at "your" best case scenario.
you get a large bit of gaia to boycott gaia
gaia loses money and finds it harder and harder to pay hosting.
gaia has to get a bigger cooperate sponsor to keep from going belly up for the users who didn't leave.
more sponsors, possibly one who has a bigger control over gaia, that or gaia wont be able to afford hosting and it leaves the net.

Theres nothing wrong with a site needing money to survive, especially if that site is a business and has employees.
Its not the group of friends in a small office building now, it's much larger then that.

Businesses need money to survive, if they want to make things for people, which in my book is caring, cuss if you where in a businesses and had customers badmouthing you like that, they'd refuse you bussiness, and yet even when you claim they dont care, they let you use the site, buy things with gold, penalty free.
but yeah, they totally don't care.

[Pavil Roma]

Thee Stranger"
Donating to Gaia has always been optional.
Buying Monthly Collectibles has always been optional.
And giving someone a gift via cash shop should be optional too. Cash Shop shouldn't be the only way in which I can do that.

[/quote] you can give gifts from the inventory homie, not just the cash shop, thats an extra fe

r5l8e2jw:0="Thee Stranger"
Donating to Gaia has always been optional.
Buying Monthly Collectibles has always been optional.
And giving someone a gift via cash shop should be optional too. Cash Shop shouldn't be the only way in which I can do that.

[/quote] you can give gifts from the inventory homie, not just the cash shop, thats an extra feature

[Acey XI]

Vanilla: That's not necessarily true, I have a friend who purchases Cash Cards whenever he can, he never has more than a couple 100k at one time. Yes it CAN be used to simply buy in hordes and sell everything but that would take at least $50, probably closer to $100 a go to make a million. /: Edit: But I DO agree that it's making it harder to make gold.

What's wrong with Towns? o__o

Pavil: Everyone here knows Gaia needs to make money. No one's in denial about that. It's the way they're prioritizing -- what with all the RELENTLESS advertising of cash items, new cash items coming out every four days, all their attention being focused on cash items because they're more expensive than MCs, and now the new aquariums which was just executed stupidly, it's sending out the message that our money is all that matters to gaia and not resolving the problems we've been asking for. ( IE Customer satisfaction. )

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Eyeriel

[ Poltergeist Parade ]

Oh dear lawd that first post and many of the replys sounded exactly like my girlfriend everytime she gets hormonal and starts to whine.

Seriously it's people like you that will never be pleased, If your that disgusted by gaia then go and start up your own social networking site/ mmorpg and quit your complaing here. The rest of us think this is a pretty darn good place.

Anywho that's my two sense. To be honest i thing "devyn-m" has allready put it just right ^^

neutral I'm really getting tired of being accused of whining. If you agree with it, that's perfectly fine, I don't really care. That's good for you, that you don't have a problem with it.
Even more than that, I'm tired of being told to leave. If you don't like the thread, well, the title tells you what it will be about, so you shouldn't have even bothered to click the link.

There are other ways of stating your opinion than whining just as you accuse me, and everyone else of doing. Have you noticed the 120 pages of agreement? I'm not the only one that feels this way. Are you going to accuse us all of being wrong, bitching, and whining? Do you want us all, most of which used to donate to Gaia to leave?

All we want is to see some improvement and changes, and we'll be happy to give our money to Gaia again.

[Sokta]

I think, the main problem that's trying to be addressed is that we want to give our money but we don't feel like it's worth giving anymore.

Gaia's asking too much of us. We (I) can't afford to give that much anymore.

As in, I finally got enough money to be able to donate, and I'm actually afraid to .. not because of any hackings or bannings, etc. But really just because, what is my money going to that Gaia needs so much of it so soon?

It used to be that when I paid, I felt a happy butterfly sensation at helping out. Now it feels slimey and greasey, like I just gave money to a crack dealer or something.

I want to feel good about donating! I want to feel like my money means something more that just another drop in your bucket (wallet)!

DD:

[Acey XI]

Sokta

I think, the main problem that's trying to be addressed is that we want to give our money but we don't feel like it's worth giving anymore.

I agree with that completely.

My reasoning is much, much different than yours but you put the right words to describe my conflicted feelings.

[Sokta]

@Acey;
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@NK & the Thread;
You guys are a lot nicer than I would be. -w-

*holds onto her money just incase Gaia changes it ways a bit* <3

[Pavil Roma]

Acey XI

That's not necessarily true, I have a friend who purchases Cash Cards whenever he can, he never has more than a couple 100k at one time. Yes it CAN be used to simply buy in hordes and sell everything but that would take at least $50, probably closer to $100 a go to make a million. /:

What's wrong with Towns? o__o

Pavil: Everyone here knows Gaia needs to make money. No one's in denial about that. It's the way they're prioritizing -- what with all the RELENTLESS advertising of cash items, new cash items coming out every four days, all their attention being focused on cash items because they're more expensive than MCs, and now the new aquariums which was just executed stupidly, it's sending out the message that our money is all that matters to gaia and not resolving the problems we've been asking for. ( IE Customer satisfaction. )

'strue. But i've yet to feel that way. Being as i used to help with sites like this, i know how hard it is to fix every problem on the site whilst trying to be personable and seem like a small operation.
Gaias huge, ridiculously huge.
The problems will be fixed i think , eventually, but with websites like these, it always seems like a catchup game.
I have faith though that it can be handled, or i simply wouldn't be around.