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How will the first season end?

Korra kills Amon and the second season is about the repercussions this has 0.14285714285714 14.3% [ 17 ]
Peacefully; Korra learns the airbender way and makes peace with the Equalists, coming to a compromise and everybody's happy 0.15966386554622 16.0% [ 19 ]
"I MUST FIGHT THE BENDERS!" "No, equalists. You are the benders." And the equalists were benders. 0.13445378151261 13.4% [ 16 ]
Amon has a hidden agenda, Korra defeats him, everyone is happy. 0.41176470588235 41.2% [ 49 ]
Other (please post) 0.15126050420168 15.1% [ 18 ]
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Suicidesoldier#1
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That's what you believe.

The creators explicitly went out of their way to make it so that spirit, was the point.


Anyone can learn to bend, but some may be better than others and that may just be the way it is.

No-one can deny the natural prodigious talents of being the avatar, for example.


But!

All the air nomads learned how to, so it's likely it's culture and training and exposure as a child, and less of just being born awesome.

No, it's what the creators said in the very article you linked me to. They didn't say that everyone could learn it. They said there was some genetic basis for potential. Not everyone inherits the genes, so not everyone can learn to bend. You really need a stronger source if you want me to agree with you.


Some genetic basis for potential does not translate to "Some people can't learn it."

It means that some people will naturally be better than others.


BUT!

"You have some genetic basis for potential, but you could go your whole life without developing the talent into ability. Some people have more inherent talent than others, while others with minimal inherent talent can still develop it through hard work and practice. He reiterated a connection to the spiritual energies is the underlying basis. How it manifests is based on upbringing and experience."

Apparently, we're just not going to agree on this. You're not considering the factors that would cause someone to grow up to be a non-bender. You cannot blame them entirely. And, since this is such a big issue in LoK, people are obviously not aware of this genetic potential. Not the benders, the non-benders, anyone... so, we go back to the statement of upbringing and experience. You're really going to keep blaming the non-benders for being the way they are when so many other factors are involved in this?

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Suicidesoldier#1
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Suicidesoldier#1
That's what you believe.

The creators explicitly went out of their way to make it so that spirit, was the point.


Anyone can learn to bend, but some may be better than others and that may just be the way it is.

No-one can deny the natural prodigious talents of being the avatar, for example.


But!

All the air nomads learned how to, so it's likely it's culture and training and exposure as a child, and less of just being born awesome.

No, it's what the creators said in the very article you linked me to. They didn't say that everyone could learn it. They said there was some genetic basis for potential. Not everyone inherits the genes, so not everyone can learn to bend. You really need a stronger source if you want me to agree with you.


Some genetic basis for potential does not translate to "Some people can't learn it."

It means that some people will naturally be better than others.


BUT!

"You have some genetic basis for potential, but you could go your whole life without developing the talent into ability. Some people have more inherent talent than others, while others with minimal inherent talent can still develop it through hard work and practice. He reiterated a connection to the spiritual energies is the underlying basis. How it manifests is based on upbringing and experience."

Apparently, we're just not going to agree on this. You're not considering the factors that would cause someone to grow up to be a non-bender. You cannot blame them entirely. And, since this is such a big issue in LoK, people are obviously not aware of this genetic potential. Not the benders, the non-benders, anyone... so, we go back to the statement of upbringing and experience. You're really going to keep blaming the non-benders for being the way they are when so many other factors are involved in this?


It doesn't even matter.

Getting upset at someone just becuase they're good at something, and presumably you aren't, is ludicrous and wrong.

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No, all my analogies assume that the person is simply good. You hate someone for being good, not for being mean or for a choice they made that's bad, simply for being good on their own, and are Jealous of it, or whatever.

Which is absolutely terrible- you believe there should be screens for job auditions? For God's sakes.


You people are messed up in the head.

Everyone is equal, being different doesn't change that, your perception of good has no bearing on this.
But you can't assume they're good people because not all of them are. You seem to have this weird association with bending being inherently "good" even when almost the entire line-up of villains in the last series were benders. You argue that they're better people because they trained for their abilities, but this bullshit "spiritual connection" they have means absolutely nothing because we don't know what that actually is or how to attain it. And wow, if you think the Equalist movement was started out of jealousy go ask those shopkeepers who nearly had their entire lives burned to the ground if they envy benders.

And yes, I do think the idea of screens between interviewer and interviewee is important. Why is that insane to you? Do you think we don't make split judgments on people's character based on their appearance? Because we do. And when the interviewer has basically made up their mind about whether or not they want to hire you in the first few seconds of seeing you that means a lot. Besides, if it's so "messed up" I wonder why some orchestras put up screens for audtions now so that the musician is not judged on their sex when they're playing and only the quality of music matters.

And that last line? Proves you don't understand a goddamn thing I've been saying. Not everyone is equal. Even the fact that some people have to work harder than others to get the things they want means that disparities exist.

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Suicidesoldier#1
No, all my analogies assume that the person is simply good. You hate someone for being good, not for being mean or for a choice they made that's bad, simply for being good on their own, and are Jealous of it, or whatever.

Which is absolutely terrible- you believe there should be screens for job auditions? For God's sakes.


You people are messed up in the head.

Everyone is equal, being different doesn't change that, your perception of good has no bearing on this.
But you can't assume they're good people because not all of them are. You seem to have this weird association with bending being inherently "good" when almost the entire line-up of villains in the last series were benders. Even this bullshit "spiritual connection" thing means absolutely nothing because we don't know what that actually is or how to attain it. And wow, if you think the Equalist movement out of jealousy go ask those shopkeepers who nearly had their entire lives burned to the ground if they envy of benders.

And yes, I do think the idea of screens between interviewer and interviewee is important. Why is that insane to you? Do you think we don't make split judgments on people's character based on their appearance? Because we do. And when the interviewer has basically made up their mind about whether or not they want to hire you in the first few seconds of seeing you that means a lot. Besides, if it's so "messed up" I wonder why some orchestras put up screens for audtions now so that the musician is not judged on their sex when they're playing and only the quality of music matters.

And that last line? Proves you don't understand a goddamn thing I've been saying. Not everyone is equal. Even the fact that some people have to work harder than others to get the things they want means that disparities exist.


You're not getting it.

God you are Thick.


I have never said that all Benders are inherently good people- Not all Jews are good, not all black people are good etc.

But to judge them on that quality alone is wrong.


Not only that, but they worked for this talent, it's not just an arbitrary quality.

Which makes it even worse, to judge them just for being good at something, like all good football players have to act a certain way etc.


As well, all people ARE equal, even if they are not given equal chances.

You are absolutely sick if you do not believe people are equal and worth the same.
Suicidesoldier#1
It doesn't even matter.

Getting upset at someone just becuase they're good at something, and presumably you aren't, is ludicrous and wrong.

Is that really all that you believe there is to it? .___.' That the revolution is just a bunch of cranky, overgrown jelly teenagers? These are real people with real concerns - and, for whatever reason, no bending skills. They see corruption in the bending elite, they experience oppression on a daily basis, and they have decided that the best way to eliminate the threat is to eliminate bending.

It's not an "OMG they have powers and I don't, waaaah!" thing. It's a "Hey, there's a severe threat that needs to be neutralized!" thing.

Which is EXACTLY how Aang dealt with Fire Lord Ozai.

Fanatical Zealot

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Suicidesoldier#1
It doesn't even matter.

Getting upset at someone just becuase they're good at something, and presumably you aren't, is ludicrous and wrong.

Is that really all that you believe there is to it? .___.' That the revolution is just a bunch of cranky, overgrown jelly teenagers? These are real people with real concerns - and, for whatever reason, no bending skills. They see corruption in the bending elite, they experience oppression on a daily basis, and they have decided that the best way to eliminate the threat is to eliminate bending.

It's not an "OMG they have powers and I don't, waaaah!" thing. It's a "Hey, there's a severe threat that needs to be neutralized!" thing.

Which is EXACTLY how Aang dealt with Fire Lord Ozai.


Ang didn't blame all the fire benders just for being fire benders.

He isolated Fire Lord Ozai for his actions, for himself, and then he went on to replace the old Fire lord with a new one and incorporated the old fire people into a new Fire bending union, getting rid of the bad soldiers and keeping the good ones.


I mean he didn't just say "All fire benders are bad" he specifically isolated a single man for his crimes and his particular method of action and removed him from power replacing him with another individual.

It's different from seeing a threat, it's declaring everyone a threat for an arbitrary quality.


They could be a huge benefit, potentially, if they used their powers properly, or simply no threat at all.

As Ang said, "No, that's wrong. I don't think that was the point of what Roku showed me at al. Roku was just as much Fire Nation as Sozin was, right? If anything, their story proves anyone is capable of great good and great evil. Everyone, even the Fire Lord and the Fire Nation, have to be treated like they're worth giving a chance."

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You're not getting it.

God you are Thick.


I have never said that all Benders are inherently good people- Not all Jews are good, not all black people are good etc.

But to judge them on that quality alone is wrong.


As well, all people ARE equal, even if they are not given equal chances.

You are absolutely sick if you do not believe people are equal and worth the same.
This is why I hate having discussions with you, because you are clearly not reading everything I'm writing and you keep falling into the same fallacy of equivocation, saying I think people aren't "equal" as in "worth the same" when it's obvious that I mean they don't have the same opportunities or upbringing.

I am arguing that Equalists have good reasons for doing horrible things. I have no idea what you are asserting but I am through. You are neither fair nor logical and you show zero good will in your arguments so I am done with you.

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suicidesoldier#1]You're not getting it.

God you are Thick.


I have never said that all Benders are inherently good people- Not all Jews are good, not all black people are good etc.

But to judge them on that quality alone is wrong.


As well, all people ARE equal, even if they are not given equal chances.

You are absolutely sick if you do not believe people are equal and worth the
3cbhepoy:1="suicidesoldier#1]You're not getting it.

God you are Thick.


I have never said that all Benders are inherently good people- Not all Jews are good, not all black people are good etc.

But to judge them on that quality alone is wrong.


As well, all people ARE equal, even if they are not given equal chances.

You are absolutely sick if you do not believe people are equal and worth the same.
This is why I hate having discussions with you, because you are clearly not reading everything I'm writing and you keep falling into the fallacy of equivocation, saying I think people aren't "equal" as in "worth the same" when it's obvious that I mean "equal" as in "they don't have the same opportunities or upbringing".

I am arguing Equalists have good reasons for doing horrible things. I have no idea what you are asserting but I am through. You are neither fair nor logical and you show zero good will in your arguments so I am done with you.


They do not have good reasons to do horrible things.

They would want someone gone just for existing, for a quality that had nothing to do with what kind of person they are, and that ideology in and of itself is flawed.
Suicidesoldier#1
Ang didn't blame all the fire benders just for being fire benders.

He isolated Fire Lord Ozai for his actions, for himself, and then he went on to replace the old Fire lord with a new one and incorporated the old fire people into a new Fire bending union, getting rid of the bad soldiers and keeping the good ones.


I mean he didn't just say "All fire benders are bad" he specifically isolated a single man for his crimes and his particular method of action and removed him from power replacing him with another individual.

It's different from seeing a threat, it's declaring everyone a threat for an arbitrary quality.


They could be a huge benefit, potentially, if they used their powers properly, or simply no threat at all.

As Ang said, "No, that's wrong. I don't think that was the point of what Roku showed me at al. Roku was just as much Fire Nation as Sozin was, right? If anything, their story proves anyone is capable of great good and great evil. Everyone, even the Fire Lord and the Fire Nation, have to be treated like they're worth giving a chance."

What's being overlooked here is that this is a society of people who have to live and deal with their problems. The fact that anyone is blaming anyone signifies a problem. It's not like the non-benders can just go up to the corrupt benders and say, "Pretty please, will you stop - with a cherry on top?" If they want to have a chance at equality, they need to find a way to neutralize these people who have gone out of control. The Equalists are probably more aware than the public masses that there are good benders and bad benders out there, but how do you sort through them all? Easier to take away everyone's bending, and that way, there is no chance for the problem to ever surface again. It's not like they just decided to kill all the benders, which would probably be a lot easier.

Is it right for them to do this? No. But is it all right for the corruption to continue? No. And it's damn foolish to think someone with the proper mindset and ideals can just wave his hand and bring peace to everyone. It's going to take understanding on both sides of this battle to come to any sort of peaceful conclusion.

All I wanted to point out is that you're judging the non-bender revolution a little harshly. Just as there are good benders and bad benders, who says all of the people involved in the revolution necessarily agree with Amon's methods? We're only three episodes in. The conflict can't be resolved yet, or there's not going to be much of a show. And if the plot is as simple as Korra taking out all the Equalists - thereby proving the point that benders have too much power, and are not concerned for the well-being of non-benders - I'm going to be severely disappointed.

Fanatical Zealot

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Suicidesoldier#1
Ang didn't blame all the fire benders just for being fire benders.

He isolated Fire Lord Ozai for his actions, for himself, and then he went on to replace the old Fire lord with a new one and incorporated the old fire people into a new Fire bending union, getting rid of the bad soldiers and keeping the good ones.


I mean he didn't just say "All fire benders are bad" he specifically isolated a single man for his crimes and his particular method of action and removed him from power replacing him with another individual.

It's different from seeing a threat, it's declaring everyone a threat for an arbitrary quality.


They could be a huge benefit, potentially, if they used their powers properly, or simply no threat at all.

As Ang said, "No, that's wrong. I don't think that was the point of what Roku showed me at al. Roku was just as much Fire Nation as Sozin was, right? If anything, their story proves anyone is capable of great good and great evil. Everyone, even the Fire Lord and the Fire Nation, have to be treated like they're worth giving a chance."

What's being overlooked here is that this is a society of people who have to live and deal with their problems. The fact that anyone is blaming anyone signifies a problem. It's not like the non-benders can just go up to the corrupt benders and say, "Pretty please, will you stop - with a cherry on top?" If they want to have a chance at equality, they need to find a way to neutralize these people who have gone out of control. The Equalists are probably more aware than the public masses that there are good benders and bad benders out there, but how do you sort through them all? Easier to take away everyone's bending, and that way, there is no chance for the problem to ever surface again. It's not like they just decided to kill all the benders, which would probably be a lot easier.

Is it right for them to do this? No. But is it all right for the corruption to continue? No. And it's damn foolish to think someone with the proper mindset and ideals can just wave his hand and bring peace to everyone. It's going to take understanding on both sides of this battle to come to any sort of peaceful conclusion.

All I wanted to point out is that you're judging the non-bender revolution a little harshly. Just as there are good benders and bad benders, who says all of the people involved in the revolution necessarily agree with Amon's methods? We're only three episodes in. The conflict can't be resolved yet, or there's not going to be much of a show. And if the plot is as simple as Korra taking out all the Equalists - thereby proving the point that benders have too much power, and are not concerned for the well-being of non-benders - I'm going to be severely disappointed.


Being concerned for the well being of non-benders as well as benders would require more policing, more organization, getting rid of crime etc.

I'm sure there are plenty of criminals who don't bend.


The idea would be the cooperation among people- I'm not sure that the regular people really care too much that they can't bend though, only that some of them do.

The equalists in particular view the benders as oppressive, but I'm sure there are many other factors at play.


I think Korra said it best, they are oppressing themselves.

But I imagine there could be "good" equalists and more bad ones.


They are based around an ideology, so it would be difficult to say that there was say, a good Nazi for instance, as an ideology and a basis for actions aren't really arbitrary to determining a person's character.

I suppose some may simply believe that bending and not bending isn't equal but not really agree with taking bending away.

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I have to admit, Amon is a perfect villain for Korra. That being said, I think he's got a deeper motivation than what the Equalist movement has. The only proof that we've seen that any of his story is true is the fact that he can energybend. We don't know how he learned it for sure and we haven't seen proof that his parents were killed by a firebender. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out in the future, but if I had to guess, every fact that Amon stated in episode 3 was a lie, besides being able to energybend, in order to manipulate the crowd.

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Suicidesoldier#1
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Suicidesoldier#1
Ang didn't blame all the fire benders just for being fire benders.

He isolated Fire Lord Ozai for his actions, for himself, and then he went on to replace the old Fire lord with a new one and incorporated the old fire people into a new Fire bending union, getting rid of the bad soldiers and keeping the good ones.


I mean he didn't just say "All fire benders are bad" he specifically isolated a single man for his crimes and his particular method of action and removed him from power replacing him with another individual.

It's different from seeing a threat, it's declaring everyone a threat for an arbitrary quality.


They could be a huge benefit, potentially, if they used their powers properly, or simply no threat at all.

As Ang said, "No, that's wrong. I don't think that was the point of what Roku showed me at al. Roku was just as much Fire Nation as Sozin was, right? If anything, their story proves anyone is capable of great good and great evil. Everyone, even the Fire Lord and the Fire Nation, have to be treated like they're worth giving a chance."

What's being overlooked here is that this is a society of people who have to live and deal with their problems. The fact that anyone is blaming anyone signifies a problem. It's not like the non-benders can just go up to the corrupt benders and say, "Pretty please, will you stop - with a cherry on top?" If they want to have a chance at equality, they need to find a way to neutralize these people who have gone out of control. The Equalists are probably more aware than the public masses that there are good benders and bad benders out there, but how do you sort through them all? Easier to take away everyone's bending, and that way, there is no chance for the problem to ever surface again. It's not like they just decided to kill all the benders, which would probably be a lot easier.

Is it right for them to do this? No. But is it all right for the corruption to continue? No. And it's damn foolish to think someone with the proper mindset and ideals can just wave his hand and bring peace to everyone. It's going to take understanding on both sides of this battle to come to any sort of peaceful conclusion.

All I wanted to point out is that you're judging the non-bender revolution a little harshly. Just as there are good benders and bad benders, who says all of the people involved in the revolution necessarily agree with Amon's methods? We're only three episodes in. The conflict can't be resolved yet, or there's not going to be much of a show. And if the plot is as simple as Korra taking out all the Equalists - thereby proving the point that benders have too much power, and are not concerned for the well-being of non-benders - I'm going to be severely disappointed.


Being concerned for the well being of non-benders as well as benders would require more policing, more organization, getting rid of crime etc.

I'm sure there are plenty of criminals who don't bend.


The idea would be the cooperation among people- I'm not sure that the regular people really care too much that they can't bend though, only that some of them do.

The equalists in particular view the benders as oppressive, but I'm sure there are many other factors at play.


I think Korra said it best, they are oppressing themselves.

But I imagine there could be "good" equalists and more bad ones.


They are based around an ideology, so it would be difficult to say that there was say, a good Nazi for instance, as an ideology and a basis for actions aren't really arbitrary to determining a person's character.

I suppose some may simply believe that bending and not bending isn't equal but not really agree with taking bending away.

I'm sure there are non-bending criminals, but non-bending criminals aren't nearly dangerous as bending criminals.
Which are you more likely to survive: being mugged by a guy who can ******** crush your internal organs with bloodbending, being mugged by a guy who can drop a giant rock on your head, being mugged by a guy who can burn your ******** face off, or being mugged by a guy with a knife?
Not to mention that benders are more likely to have their power get to their head and take advantage of it... be honest, if you could shoot fire out of your fists, would it really never occur to you to use this to your own advantage at the expense of others who can't?

Also, let me say that not everybody can bend. That's just how it is. If everybody could just start bending whenever, many, many plot points in ATLA make absolutely no sense. If everybody could bend, there would be gaping plot holes in both ATLA and TLOK.

Some benders are oppressive, others aren't. The problem is that the ones who are oppressive aren't as low-key as the ones who aren't, so they'll play a more active role in the nonbenders' lives and eventually make them resentful. Eventually, they reach a snapping point, and honestly, is there any other way to deal with the problem?

Hell, everyone on the city council is a bender!

Korra's line about oppressing themselves wasn't supposed to be right. It was supposed to highlight an important aspect of her character: that she views her bending as her identity (like Sokka with his boomerang, but not played for lulz). Because she's lived her entire life as the most powerful bender and grown up knowing that mastering all 4 elements is her life's work (not to mention she really has no way of knowing the social issues that even caused the equalist movement), she can't really comprehend the other side. When Amon comes and threatens her bending, it completely terrifies her because that's all she sees herself as: a bender. Part of her character growth will likely be overcoming this.

Oh no, not the Nazi analogy. -_- Ever heard of Godwin's law?
The difference between Nazis and equalists is that the former have no logic, but the latter are just sick and tired of oppression.

To the Nazis, Jews being successful in a poor country = Jews are evil = Jews must DIE. Erm.
To the equalists, Benders being more successful AND terrorizing them AND completely dominating the political arena = Benders are the root of all our problems (which may or may not be true, depending on the original) = Benders must become like us. Somehow, that seems a lot more logical.

Also, I'd like to point out that the conflict is intentionally being set up as morally ambiguous to differ Korra's situation from Aang's. You know how Korra's struggling with airbending? This symbolizes the fact that the main conflict of the season, like airbending, isn't something she can just attack head-on. In fact, the only way the whole equalist problem can really be solved realistically is if a peaceful solution is found. If all the equalists are killed or arrested, more will take their place because they'll see it as "holy s**t, they were right! we ARE being oppressed!".

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I have to admit, Amon is a perfect villain for Korra. That being said, I think he's got a deeper motivation than what the Equalist movement has. The only proof that we've seen that any of his story is true is the fact that he can energybend. We don't know how he learned it for sure and we haven't seen proof that his parents were killed by a firebender. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out in the future, but if I had to guess, every fact that Amon stated in episode 3 was a lie, besides being able to energybend, in order to manipulate the crowd.

Could be, but I'm seriously hoping that this isn't the case. It'll be harder for Korra to accept that she needs to reconcile with the enemy than just expose him for what he is, take him in, and call it a day. It'd also highlight how she and her story are the exact opposite of Aang's if Amon really did just turn out to be an anti-villain.

The only way for Aang to defeat the Fire Lord (complete monster) was to attack him head on, whereas the only way for Korra to defeat Amon (if we're going by law of opposites, anti-villain, otherwise, we don't know) is to find an alternative solution to the problem.

It's almost symmetrical. emotion_kirakira

As for Amon being a perfect villain, so far, it's like Bryke picked my brain for all my favorite qualities in all my favorite antagonists and meshed them up into one character.
It's kind of scary. burning_eyes
interestingly, the only thing completely missing so far is "lots of foe yay with the protagonist"... unless you count that facegrab at the end of ep 4...

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You know, I see the reason why the Equalists would be so popular. I mean, a lot of this world would be really segregated. You have to be an Earth Bender to become a police officer, and I'm guessing that most, if not all doctors would use the healing aspects of Water Bending. Not to mention the fact that a lot of the rich would be Benders, as well as Benders being politicians. You also see a lot of brutality going on behind the scenes. It would be a matter of time before a uprising.

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Ah, then you'll see in the next few episodes that the movement is a little more robust than that.

Besides, even from the first two episodes it's clear that non-benders are actively harassed and threatened by benders on a near constant basis and that Equalist protest and support isn't based so much on jealousy as real fear. They can tell from a swanky car rolling into the neighbourhood that s**t's about to go down from a bender triad and they batten down the hatches, for example.


Saw episode three, they look like nothing more than cowards and bigots to me.
Even worse than the Fire Nation Empire in the last series.
...in clarification, I'm saying they're worse than the Fire Nation after they crossed the Moral Event Horizon and decided to commit genocide.

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