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xMissMacabre
Ah, rejection from NYCC >_< it was worth a shot anyway! Maybe next year.

Anyways, anyone going to Geek Girl Con? I got a table this year 8D

I would never apply for NYCC
I'm afraid of the table's price tag
@_@
That rejection has just saved your wallet


I'm not really concerned about the price tag. Yeah it's pretty steep but with a convention that size it would be easy for me to make back that money + profit biggrin
xMissMacabre


I'm not really concerned about the price tag. Yeah it's pretty steep but with a convention that size it would be easy for me to make back that money + profit biggrin


yep, and the fact that AA is an area many members plan to go to unlike anime cons which people try to avoid unless its right in their pathway.

dolphinwing


You got a pro-pass? Are you a freelancer or do you actually work for someone? My friend works at a library and he was able to get a pro-pass last year but this year he was rejected.


yeah artist, freelancer though I thought librarians signed up under a different pro badge?
Also, its possible that they hit a limit. Pro badges just haven't sold out yet? i was just as surprised too though I do have print credits. I also don't know if me having tables in the past makes a difference.

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dolphinwing


You got a pro-pass? Are you a freelancer or do you actually work for someone? My friend works at a library and he was able to get a pro-pass last year but this year he was rejected.


yeah artist, freelancer though I thought librarians signed up under a different pro badge?
Also, its possible that they hit a limit. Pro badges just haven't sold out yet? i was just as surprised too though I do have print credits. I also don't know if me having tables in the past makes a difference.
No, he signed up really early, and it looks like you can still apply. I was intimidated by the form cuz it asks for your supervisor's name, where you work, office phone number etc. I guess it doesn't hurt to try but I'll have to try next year cuz my friend actually got a badge for me already
Man I forgot I even had a Gaia account.
I found this thread through a 4chan Archive while researching a TON About Artist Alleys in General and to be honest I wish I had come across this thread a few months ago and not 3 weeks before my first con @ n @;
I thought I had signed up for a small under 1k attendance con since my best friend suggested it and turns out it had over 1k attendance....back in 2001. She laughed at me when I asked her if it was going to be a small con. Im Both excited and nervous as heck about this since its my first time. I have about like 7 different prints. Only 4 are over 8x10. Im attempting to make some more 5x7 and under ones since Im gonna have a "Spend 10$ get one Postcard Print/KeyChain Free!", I think I made WAY to many keychains [Exactly 101] for SnK haha I ended up doing a small giveaway on my blog on Tumblr for them. Then I have two other series sets.
ANYWAYS! This is an amazing thread, Im on page 90 of this thread and been reading every single page. Im gonna continue doing that.

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xMissMacabre
Has anyone been to Phoenix Comic Con or Denver CC? I'm considering those for next year biggrin

I will be applying for Denver CC next year for sure. This year I'm going to SLC CC. I've heard good things about the Denver one.

Fluffy Lop

Hi guys! I decided to go withwire cubes for my artist alley table so I could use them back in my apartment when I'm not tabling, and I was just wondering, what's the best way to stick prints onto the cubes without ruining the prints?
Fapel
Hi guys! I decided to go with wire cubes for my artist alley table so I could use them back in my apartment when I'm not tabling, and I was just wondering, what's the best way to stick prints onto the cubes without ruining the prints?


mini binder clips with a piece a paper over the print as to not scratch it.


lol, that new display idea? forgot to take a proper photo of it. Ah wells, you can see my display on 3ft table it here. And here is a wip/ tutorial on how I made my character cut outs.
If anyone is preparing a print order and looking who to do it with I just had this experience with Ezprints.

Last night I ordered a lot of 8x10s and it was meant to be 30% off. When I got the prints together and I applied the code the total came off, but since it was just before midnight (and I had to put my shipment details in) they changed it back right at the last second and I didn't know until my confirmation email went through.

I sent them a message asking if they would consider letting me have the discount anyway and if I couldn't I would need to cancel the order. They are here in GA so I sent this email at just gone 12am...its not like they couldn't have seen it before the next working day.

Anyway I got the email reply this morning saying that my order had already been processed and I couldn't get the discount OR my order cancelled. My shipping email and my customer service email....about 15 mins apart from each other.

I'm considering sending them back anyway unless they are some damn amazing prints.

Fluffy Lop

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Fapel
Hi guys! I decided to go with wire cubes for my artist alley table so I could use them back in my apartment when I'm not tabling, and I was just wondering, what's the best way to stick prints onto the cubes without ruining the prints?


mini binder clips with a piece a paper over the print as to not scratch it.


lol, that new display idea? forgot to take a proper photo of it. Ah wells, you can see my display on 3ft table it here. And here is a wip/ tutorial on how I made my character cut outs.

ah thank you!! i saw binder clips before, but thought it would bend against the wires @__@ i never thought about the paper.

btw, your chara cut-outs look amazing *_*<3
Aaaah, man, I haven't been on here forever. @_@ Glad to see this thread is still alive. Are there any edits that need to be made to the first post?

Fapel
Cetriya
Fapel
Hi guys! I decided to go with wire cubes for my artist alley table so I could use them back in my apartment when I'm not tabling, and I was just wondering, what's the best way to stick prints onto the cubes without ruining the prints?


mini binder clips with a piece a paper over the print as to not scratch it.


lol, that new display idea? forgot to take a proper photo of it. Ah wells, you can see my display on 3ft table it here. And here is a wip/ tutorial on how I made my character cut outs.

ah thank you!! i saw binder clips before, but thought it would bend against the wires @__@ i never thought about the paper.

btw, your chara cut-outs look amazing *_*<3


I've found that plastic sleeves like the ones clearbags sell do fine to protect prints from binder clips as well, plus they protect your prints from dust and oily fingers. You can also use tape to attach them to the cubes, but the binder clips are more reliable and reusable.

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Hi everyone!

I just got my first spot at an anime convention! (Damn those tables are hard to get, had to go on the waiting list to finally get a table) I want to promote my story that I've been working on, and start growing a fanbase. Anyone with experience that can tell me how to keep people interested in my work? How do you keep first time buyers and turn them into longtime fans that follow your work? Making money is not my main concern but I want to break even, so I'm gonna have to make some fanart it seems. So what kind of fanart sells well? I'm not picky, but I wonder do people care less about the quality of fanart, as long as it has their favourite character? Also what kind of merchandise sell best? Advice on price points would be good too.

Feel free to include any answers to questions I didn't even ask, any advice is appreciated.
Hey I just thought I would through it out there that I got a dealer's room table for Holiday Matsuri in Orlando since AA has been sold out and on the look out for another artist to share with. ~ So if anyone is interested be sure to let me know! biggrin



Denaliah Arts
Hi everyone!

I just got my first spot at an anime convention! (Damn those tables are hard to get, had to go on the waiting list to finally get a table) I want to promote my story that I've been working on, and start growing a fanbase. Anyone with experience that can tell me how to keep people interested in my work? How do you keep first time buyers and turn them into longtime fans that follow your work? Making money is not my main concern but I want to break even, so I'm gonna have to make some fanart it seems. So what kind of fanart sells well? I'm not picky, but I wonder do people care less about the quality of fanart, as long as it has their favourite character? Also what kind of merchandise sell best? Advice on price points would be good too.

Feel free to include any answers to questions I didn't even ask, any advice is appreciated.


Congrats! Yeah even seasoned Artists miss out on tables. Happens to me all the time. I also know it's hard to get people coming back year after year when they've often already purchased whatever they really liked. What helps of course is new art so there's always something fresh and you can also try out different items. Buttons, Keychains, bookmarks, etc.
Denaliah Arts
... I want to promote my story that I've been working on, and start growing a fanbase. ... How do you keep first time buyers and turn them into longtime fans that follow your work? ... so I'm gonna have to make some fanart it seems. So what kind of fanart sells well? I'm not picky, but I wonder do people care less about the quality of fanart, as long as it has their favourite character? Also what kind of merchandise sell best? Advice on price points would be good too.


You're going about it a little off.

You only have so much energy to put into things, and splitting your time between making random fan art to sell vs making loyal fans for your own work will do you a disservice.

Pick if you want to make money as fast as possible or put in the effort for the long run with your original story.

After you've picked that, the rest of your answers will be based on your experience and feedback. You want to make quality work and consistently put out new work. Try to get to know your customers and chat with them so that they make a connection to the work. If they had a positive experience, they'll come back, even if to just say hi.

Based on my own experience:

-you don't need fan art to break even. you need to know about the attendees, what they're wanting, and what you offer. I broke even at Otakon (an expensive con), I made profit at nycc (even more expensive). Location and competition is the biggest factor on sales.

- The sale of fan art depends on a few things. You can go with the top shows like Titan, Free, SAO, but know that there's a lot of competition and people will most likely go to more popular fan artists first. You can go with niche or classics like Eva, Beboop, Might '9, but its a gamble that you might hit gold or rock bottom. Its best to keep to things that you like and have something similar to what your story is like so that its a natural transition for your buyers. I love magical girls and shoujo manga, I draw sailormoon. I've sold sailor moon and original art to the same shoppers. which..

-With the amount of people that draw fan art, quality and popularity counts. If there's a half decent naruto right next to an awesome one, the awesome one will win out unless there's some sort of personal preference like the decent one is humorous or is an inside joke that only fans of the show would know. I'm familiar with Titan and can definitely pull off an awesome poster, but with all those that draw titan, I fall about middle in terms of skill and low in terms of originality of concept. In reverse, I love sailormoon and as a fan, I know what I want. I never found a full group posters of all the senshis and starlights and Galaxia'n Co. So I did one, and others appreciated that.

-For merch: one year I sold a lot of totes, now i can't get rid of them. I seem to be one of few artists at cons that can sell a lot of posters. Sometimes I only get commissions. A con that I did very well this year, used to be a crafter's con (seems like the only thing people bought). For pricing, I base it first with cost of making the item and double it. Than I consider how many transactions I'll have and guess what the average $ per transaction I need to make. Its a little more to it than that, and it comes from my retail background and going to cons for 6ish years. At the end of the day, prices isn't the most important in getting people to buy stuff. You have some leeway there, its mostly if the attendees are the buying type and are a good match for your stuff. Even if something is for free, if they don't want it, they don't want it.

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... I want to promote my story that I've been working on, and start growing a fanbase. ... How do you keep first time buyers and turn them into longtime fans that follow your work? ... so I'm gonna have to make some fanart it seems. So what kind of fanart sells well? I'm not picky, but I wonder do people care less about the quality of fanart, as long as it has their favourite character? Also what kind of merchandise sell best? Advice on price points would be good too.


You're going about it a little off.

You only have so much energy to put into things, and splitting your time between making random fan art to sell vs making loyal fans for your own work will do you a disservice.

Pick if you want to make money as fast as possible or put in the effort for the long run with your original story.

After you've picked that, the rest of your answers will be based on your experience and feedback. You want to make quality work and consistently put out new work. Try to get to know your customers and chat with them so that they make a connection to the work. If they had a positive experience, they'll come back, even if to just say hi.

Based on my own experience:

-you don't need fan art to break even. you need to know about the attendees, what they're wanting, and what you offer. I broke even at Otakon (an expensive con), I made profit at nycc (even more expensive). Location and competition is the biggest factor on sales.

- The sale of fan art depends on a few things. You can go with the top shows like Titan, Free, SAO, but know that there's a lot of competition and people will most likely go to more popular fan artists first. You can go with niche or classics like Eva, Beboop, Might '9, but its a gamble that you might hit gold or rock bottom. Its best to keep to things that you like and have something similar to what your story is like so that its a natural transition for your buyers. I love magical girls and shoujo manga, I draw sailormoon. I've sold sailor moon and original art to the same shoppers. which..

-With the amount of people that draw fan art, quality and popularity counts. If there's a half decent naruto right next to an awesome one, the awesome one will win out unless there's some sort of personal preference like the decent one is humorous or is an inside joke that only fans of the show would know. I'm familiar with Titan and can definitely pull off an awesome poster, but with all those that draw titan, I fall about middle in terms of skill and low in terms of originality of concept. In reverse, I love sailormoon and as a fan, I know what I want. I never found a full group posters of all the senshis and starlights and Galaxia'n Co. So I did one, and others appreciated that.

-For merch: one year I sold a lot of totes, now i can't get rid of them. I seem to be one of few artists at cons that can sell a lot of posters. Sometimes I only get commissions. A con that I did very well this year, used to be a crafter's con (seems like the only thing people bought). For pricing, I base it first with cost of making the item and double it. Than I consider how many transactions I'll have and guess what the average $ per transaction I need to make. Its a little more to it than that, and it comes from my retail background and going to cons for 6ish years. At the end of the day, prices isn't the most important in getting people to buy stuff. You have some leeway there, its mostly if the attendees are the buying type and are a good match for your stuff. Even if something is for free, if they don't want it, they don't want it.


Thanks for the long and informative post! You seem like a seasoned pro, and your art is very nice! I see from your site that you went to ringling, are you a graduate now? If you don't mind me asking are you working professionally as an artist now? I heard that some people actually make their living selling at cons throughout the years, I know selling at cons at your first year isn't gonna be lucrative, but have you found that selling at cons to be a good way to make an income, if only a supplementary income.
It seems to me that the conventions you've done well in are the big ones. The convention I'm attending for the first time is going to be a small one for two days, its only 2 years old and last year they got like 800 people I think?

Do people care about the quality of the paper your art is printed on? Would they be discouraged to buy your art even if they like the image if the paper is let's say printer paper and not a glossy card stock?

Another main concern/goal I have is to use cons as a way of building an online presence, how do I keep people who were interested in my table hooked enough to follow my work online?
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Thanks for the long and informative post! You seem like a seasoned pro, and your art is very nice! I see from your site that you went to ringling, are you a graduate now? If you don't mind me asking are you working professionally as an artist now? I heard that some people actually make their living selling at cons throughout the years, I know selling at cons at your first year isn't gonna be lucrative, but have you found that selling at cons to be a good way to make an income, if only a supplementary income.
It seems to me that the conventions you've done well in are the big ones. The convention I'm attending for the first time is going to be a small one for two days, its only 2 years old and last year they got like 800 people I think?

Do people care about the quality of the paper your art is printed on? Would they be discouraged to buy your art even if they like the image if the paper is let's say printer paper and not a glossy card stock?

Another main concern/goal I have is to use cons as a way of building an online presence, how do I keep people who were interested in my table hooked enough to follow my work online?


for some reason, the reply field keeps disappearing. Somethings up with gaia's code?

Anyways, no I'm not a season'd pro. I'm in my senior year at Ringling and I've reinvented myself a few times since I've transfer from scad and took a break in between. Most of my knowledge come from taking marketing and small business class and listening to podcasts from real pros.

The economy and maturity of the market right now is making it hard for anyone to make a living selling at cons. I plan to reinvent my strategy and use cons as promotional and networking events. So long as I break even, I'll be fine. For a small con, keep your cost low and take lots of notes on how people react to your work and ask other artists questions. I find that make more money taking commissions at home if you consider the amount of time preparing for a con, not knowing if you'll even make any money for whatever reason. I pretty much sold something to most everyone who passed by my table, but the % of people who passed by the AA was really small. AFO all of a sudden had to change hotel and dates because of construction and attendees were hit with a 20$ a day parking fee. These are things that no matter how nice your fan art is, it won't sell if there's not many people or people don't have the money for it.

So yes, i've heard and chat with people making money at cons, but many had to cut down on them or stop going to anime cons as comic cons are where the money is at. I do make some extra income from cons, and many times its from people buying stuff online or commissioning me later. My goal is to license my work to manufacturers and get my stuff into stores. My comic work I plan to promote and get more people to buy stuff online. Amy Reeder is a better artist to look up and see how she's navigate her career. Her and her writer, MontClair have a podcast ''popcorn" which is pretty cool. There's also webcomicalliance and artist alley facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/143875999117732/

Pretty much 90% of all small business fail in the first year, doesn't matter what industry. If you can break even at year 3 and make good profit past year 5 than you should be ok unless the market changes.

First impression really counts. Don't just use regular bond paper, but you can go with a nice cardstock which will cost about 2$ per copy at a nice copy shop (not kinkos). What ever you do, do not print more than 2-3 copies of your best 10 images max. This is your tester con, you're there to get reactions and see where you need to improve. You'll probably get about 1-3% of the people to pass by AA and not all will buy. Thats about 30 people, 30 chances to make a sale. Now think how much each the average person might sell? so don't think you'll make bank at first. Present your self as professional and clean as you can, fully ok with not making a cent back. Consider it investment for the future. The more knowledge you get, the better you'll be at figuring out what sells and how much to bring at a con

Having a great pitch and a giveaway with a call to action is what will help you build a presence. As I'm still a nobody. I don't think I'm the best at this advice. here's some links (and dont be afraid to google):
www.makingcomics.com
http://198.173.235.195/24hourcomic/24hourcomic2011.html

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