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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:58 pm
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:05 pm
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:11 am
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:01 am
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but this is where you are slightly wrong my friend. In Hell, is suffering, but it is also mentioned that they will die again. This is called the second death. You only have eternal life if you go to heaven. they would be suffering a great deal, i mean, wouldn you be in a boat load of pain if you were stuck in a lake of fire of hundreds of years? they dont die right away, the process is slow, but they will die.
but with over throwing satan, think about the hordes of demons, they are the ones also adding in the pain and torment. and Elliot made a good point, they wouldn have the will to do so, all hope is gone. there are no second chances... or 1 millionth... or billionith... so on and so forth, but i think you get the picture.
i do not know everything. so this is only an oinon of what i know. this is why we have these threads though, to learn from each other. If i'm wrong in anyway, please let me know... ^^
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:28 pm
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:56 pm
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:38 pm
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For one thing, Satan is distoried, made no more.
Quote: Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Also, hell is not what most think it is. After all, there are three words in the NT that was translated into Hell and each one has a different meaning. Also the world "blot" as in blot us out of the books of life, is "exaleipho" which mean in the english "obliterate." The lake of Fire is not called the second death for no reason. Usally when YHWH says death, He means it.
Of the tree words translated into Hell, Gehenna is the closes one to descibing the lake of fire, while Hades just means the grave or after life. Gehenna, is used to sybomlise the Lake of fire. Gehenna was a pit out side of the city where they threw their trash and it had fire going all the time. A fire that consumes everthing, and the scripture both in Deuteronomy 4:24 & Hebrews 12:29 calls our Father YHWH the consuming fire. This is the reason He said in Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy(kill) both soul and body in hell (Gehenna)." Becuse He spoke our souls into being, He can distroy(kill) them as well. Check the greek text out.
The Third word in the NT that translates to Hell is Tartus and this is only found in 2 Peter 2:4. Tartaros isthe deepest abyss of Hades or what we come to call the bottomless pit.
As for the OT, Sheol is the word that gets translate in hell but it has much the same meaning as Hades, the grave or after life.
Did I wake anyone up?
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