PROJECT: PHOENIX [LOCKED]

[Dantes_Sin_of_Greed]

I will put this as simply as possible: This guild is dead. Gone. And damn near buried 6 feet under.

And with it, one of the most awesome Rps I have ever played will meet oblivion if we do not act. As someone who has stood by this series for 13+ years, I cannot allow that to happen; to that extent, I propose we revitalize the guild and flesh it out.

We make it a place worthy of Rping in. And then we Rp on the Barton main form, in the earth thread, and get people in here with our killer atmosphere and rp structure. Let's offer something seldom seen on Gaia:

A full fledged universe that feels 'real', like the LoTRs universe or GoT universe does.

And everyone in Gaia knows about us.


Ambitious?

Yes.

But nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Doable?

Like walking, one step a time, I firmly believe we can do it.

So let's resurrect this series and guild, and bring it to a glory it hasn't seen in a long while.


TL;DR VERSION:

What I truly propose is that we act and we create. It doesn't have to be big actions to revive this series; we don't need a story rewrite or reboot. We need small stories and glimpses of what the HvH universe is like and can be. Post in here and we will start compiling stories and the like.

As a suggestion/idea kick starter, start tackling questions like these:


1. What would a prayer to Inferno look like? (Or if not Inferno, some other major HvH character {Like Kikyo})

2 Who/what are the major Deities of a HvH universe (Names will suffice, someone else can add in the descriptions)

3. How does the afterlife work? (How is a soul claimed for Heaven or Hell?)

4. What truly is a Soul in the HvH universe?

5. What is the name of the major cities on Earth that worship Heaven? Hell? (Just the name. Not anything else, unless you want too...)

6. When a Angel swears and curses, who and what does he swear too? Likewise with a Demon?

Etc...etc...etc...


It doesn't have to be long drawn out stories. Just a little flavor here and there. My goal will be 1 paragraph a week. 30-50 words. Even if the contribution is just one word--the name of a city somewhere, perhaps or an influential Npc--it is better than just letting this place die.


We have 13+ years of history. Let's show it off.  

[Dantes_Sin_of_Greed]

Inferno's Prayer,

Litany of the Flame

I believe in the flame, for the flame is true. Fire never deceives; it has no need nor any desire to lie, cheat, or falsify. As Lord Inferno taught, so I believe in the universal truths of the Flame:

What happens when you stoke the Flame:
It burns bright!

What happens when you touch the Flame:
It burns bright!

What happens when you embrace the Flame:
It burns bright!

The universal truths of the Flame is that the Flame shall forever burn. In giving my body, my soul, and my essence to the Flame, I shall become like Lord Inferno: Forever burning, forever strong.

Lord Inferno, bask my body with your Flame and forever my allies shall flicker:
May I burn bright!

Lord Inferno, stoke my soul with your Flame and forever my enemies shall immolate:
May I burn bright!

Lord Inferno, embrace my essence with your Flame and forever I shall be enkindled:
May I burn bright!

(Hope you guys like this. Shout out to Hate, as this popped up in my head one day and WOULD NOT LEAVE YOU F********* b*****d, GET OUT, GET OUT!

...Anyways, this is the sort of stuff {but not this long, shorter or longer depending on what you want} that I was talking about.  

[Devil-Steel]

Been busy don't pop in as much as I used to. Life is on the upward swing right now and I'm riding the wave as far as I can while I can.

I like the idea, and would be interested in RPing again if I can make the time to actually do so. That said, if we do revive, I want to incorporate the revamp we were planning into this as well.

Time has passed and all the major players from HvH are gone. They are mostly myth at this point aside from their children (if they ended up having any). While their children know the truth, no one ever believes them so they have long since stopped talking about the past except among themselves.

Currently counted among the children of legend as it were are Janus Amor, reworked from what he was into Arcturus Amor's son. As well as Deo, Xio, and Atia Tokori, the three children of Oni Ukia and Kora Stern who changed their last name to Tokori upon marriage.

My human experiment characters were also probably going to be making a return as one didn't see much action and the other was never revealed.

That's all I got for now. Coming up on that 20 hour mark and can't really think straight. I'll try to start checking in more regularly, but make no promises at least not for the next week. Long story that I am not going into right now. If anyone actually needs me hit me up on Facebook. Walter Upton from Freeport, TX. Or call/text me 979-824-3001  

[Yokai Yakuza]

Would love to see the guild revived
I was a noob to the over all plot but you all seemed cool so I stuck around

I like Devils idea that the "big" player should be myths or even deities at this point with a few disciples or children left.

Perhaps we make a race that deals with claiming souls for heaven or hell
Maybe people go to Limbo before to be sorted?  

[Dantes_Sin_of_Greed]

Yokai Yakuza

Would love to see the guild revived
I was a noob to the over all plot but you all seemed cool so I stuck around

I like Devils idea that the "big" player should be myths or even deities at this point with a few disciples or children left.

Perhaps we make a race that deals with claiming souls for heaven or hell
Maybe people go to Limbo before to be sorted?

Awesome idea!

And at this point, I mostly agree. The big players should move on, and their owners should get new characters...Provided they don't have a damn good reason for playing their O.P. as hell OCs. It would go a long way in attracting new people if everyone was on the same playing field.


As for your race of "Soul Sorters", I could not agree more. You created them, why not you name them? And if you're feeling generous, perhaps describe some of their attributes so that they could possibly be a more playable race?  

[Devil-Steel]

Dantes_Sin_of_Greed

Yokai Yakuza

Would love to see the guild revived
I was a noob to the over all plot but you all seemed cool so I stuck around

I like Devils idea that the "big" player should be myths or even deities at this point with a few disciples or children left.

Perhaps we make a race that deals with claiming souls for heaven or hell
Maybe people go to Limbo before to be sorted?

Awesome idea!

And at this point, I mostly agree. The big players should move on, and their owners should get new characters...Provided they don't have a damn good reason for playing their O.P. as hell OCs. It would go a long way in attracting new people if everyone was on the same playing field.


As for your race of "Soul Sorters", I could not agree more. You created them, why not you name them? And if you're feeling generous, perhaps describe some of their attributes so that they could possibly be a more playable race?

Well what is technically 'canon' for HvH is that the leader of Heaven/Hell has the power to claim the souls of departed mortals for their realm. It was often talked about with Kira as his character was a mortal whose soul could be claimed to fight for Heaven/Hell after his death.

So aside from that the process was basically automated behind the scenes. I do like the idea of fleshing it out a bit more with the 'soul sorters' or whatever they end up being called.  

[Yokai Yakuza]

Devil-Steel

Dantes_Sin_of_Greed

Yokai Yakuza

Would love to see the guild revived
I was a noob to the over all plot but you all seemed cool so I stuck around

I like Devils idea that the "big" player should be myths or even deities at this point with a few disciples or children left.

Perhaps we make a race that deals with claiming souls for heaven or hell
Maybe people go to Limbo before to be sorted?

Awesome idea!

And at this point, I mostly agree. The big players should move on, and their owners should get new characters...Provided they don't have a damn good reason for playing their O.P. as hell OCs. It would go a long way in attracting new people if everyone was on the same playing field.


As for your race of "Soul Sorters", I could not agree more. You created them, why not you name them? And if you're feeling generous, perhaps describe some of their attributes so that they could possibly be a more playable race?

Well what is technically 'canon' for HvH is that the leader of Heaven/Hell has the power to claim the souls of departed mortals for their realm. It was often talked about with Kira as his character was a mortal whose soul could be claimed to fight for Heaven/Hell after his death.

So aside from that the process was basically automated behind the scenes. I do like the idea of fleshing it out a bit more with the 'soul sorters' or whatever they end up being called.

Hm I'm sure I can work something that works. I think the Soul Takers (working title) should be a neutral race or party. Whoever is over them would have to only be trying to keep the balance. Maybe add in contracts/ deals with demons or pacts with angels so they have some sway over the souls. Then we'd have to define a soul and who has one and how important they are . I'll figure something out and get back with you all

Also if we are doing a blanket reset wouldn't that mean thier are no leaders?
Do we use certain demons and angels( Michael, Lucifer Ect) as established "big deities"?
Do we want to try creating knew future rulers?
Maybe the angels and heavenly creatures would serve whatever the equivalent to God would be but I'm sure with demons and humans it would be a free for all unless we all talked it out.

So many possibilities 😂  

[Devil-Steel]

Yokai Yakuza

Hm I'm sure I can work something that works. I think the Soul Takers (working title) should be a neutral race or party. Whoever is over them would have to only be trying to keep the balance. Maybe add in contracts/ deals with demons or pacts with angels so they have some sway over the souls. Then we'd have to define a soul and who has one and how important they are . I'll figure something out and get back with you all

Also if we are doing a blanket reset wouldn't that mean thier are no leaders?
Do we use certain demons and angels( Michael, Lucifer Ect) as established "big deities"?
Do we want to try creating knew future rulers?
Maybe the angels and heavenly creatures would serve whatever the equivalent to God would be but I'm sure with demons and humans it would be a free for all unless we all talked it out.

So many possibilities 😂

I think we are going to try and combine this idea with the idea that Phantom, Rabid and I were discussing and trying to flesh out a few months ago. Not a blanket reset, as the history would go with that. Instead we are going to push forward in time XXXXX years were all of the current big names are gone. The realms of Heaven and Hell have collapsed and everyone resides on Earth which is now divided between the three factions.

The factions have no real leaders at this time. Just a handful of eager people that want to lead, and if they are the one that manages to restore their respective realm (for Heaven/Hell) or prevent the restoration of the realms (for Earth) to take up a leadership position. Because at that point after being the one that restored the realm they would have earned the right to lead.  

[Dantes_Sin_of_Greed]

Yokai Yakuza

Devil-Steel

Dantes_Sin_of_Greed

Yokai Yakuza

Would love to see the guild revived
I was a noob to the over all plot but you all seemed cool so I stuck around

I like Devils idea that the "big" player should be myths or even deities at this point with a few disciples or children left.

Perhaps we make a race that deals with claiming souls for heaven or hell
Maybe people go to Limbo before to be sorted?

Awesome idea!

And at this point, I mostly agree. The big players should move on, and their owners should get new characters...Provided they don't have a damn good reason for playing their O.P. as hell OCs. It would go a long way in attracting new people if everyone was on the same playing field.


As for your race of "Soul Sorters", I could not agree more. You created them, why not you name them? And if you're feeling generous, perhaps describe some of their attributes so that they could possibly be a more playable race?

Well what is technically 'canon' for HvH is that the leader of Heaven/Hell has the power to claim the souls of departed mortals for their realm. It was often talked about with Kira as his character was a mortal whose soul could be claimed to fight for Heaven/Hell after his death.

So aside from that the process was basically automated behind the scenes. I do like the idea of fleshing it out a bit more with the 'soul sorters' or whatever they end up being called.

Hm I'm sure I can work something that works. I think the Soul Takers (working title) should be a neutral race or party. Whoever is over them would have to only be trying to keep the balance. Maybe add in contracts/ deals with demons or pacts with angels so they have some sway over the souls. Then we'd have to define a soul and who has one and how important they are . I'll figure something out and get back with you all

Also if we are doing a blanket reset wouldn't that mean thier are no leaders?
Do we use certain demons and angels( Michael, Lucifer Ect) as established "big deities"?
Do we want to try creating knew future rulers?
Maybe the angels and heavenly creatures would serve whatever the equivalent to God would be but I'm sure with demons and humans it would be a free for all unless we all talked it out.

So many possibilities 😂

I was thinking of a multi-deity system with Heaven vs Hell. At least, when I was the chief writer for the HvH: Salvation that was Cruxis' big thing: So many deities that don't care about you, mortal, yet we 4 do! (And we have cookies!)

As for using established Deities, the answer is yes and no. If they were a big HvH character played by a real person, then yes, they're going to be in the pantheon somehow.

Real life deities are a no-no (Draka-Exception: Anytime she gets on and wants to Rp Lucifer, she can. Kikyo is Lucifer's child, after all...) as we don't want to offend people. I do think we should have an established pantheon of greater and lesser deities. Greater would be gods and thus NPCs. Lesser could be all the old characters who are now retired, but would be prayed to for this reason or that reason.

Gods and Goddesses are (mostly*) wide open, if anyone wants to start making them. As always, doesn't have to be special or big. Just a simple God Name: God's Domain format will do. Ex: Krenko: God of Goblins

*The mostly is because of HvH:Salvation. Inferno and Raphael both killed the God of Fire and God of Alchemy, in preparation for their ascension. In Raphael's case, he did it in a way so that the God of Alchemy could not be replaced anytime soon. So while a new God of Fire could of arisen/ascended by now, the God of Alchemy could not have.

If I can find it, I did a write up years ago of all the major characters of the time as a mortal would see them. I'll post it if I find it. If not, Devil, I'll need help to do it again. It's something that is really cool and we should have. It provides encouragement for people to play: One day, they too, could end up in that list.


As for defining souls, I am currently working on that. My Saturday/Sunday flavor post should be on the nature of the Divine Spark (What Angels, Demons, and other divines have) vs the Soul (What all mortals have) and defining the aspects of them.

Great points, however! This is the sort of stuff I love and was hoping for when I started this project.  

[Dantes_Sin_of_Greed]

Oh, and "Soul Takers" should most certainly be neutral. Their job is to escort souls from their bodies to Heaven or Hell (Or in very rare circumstances, someplace else.)


And for the love everything, a new name is most certainly needed. Reapers could work if need be, but I would love to come up with something that fits the series and is marketable (I.E.. sounds cool and unique so we can attract people to play as them, and not dweeby)  

[Devil-Steel]

Dantes_Sin_of_Greed

Oh, and "Soul Takers" should most certainly be neutral. Their job is to escort souls from their bodies to Heaven or Hell (Or in very rare circumstances, someplace else.)


And for the love everything, a new name is most certainly needed. Reapers could work if need be, but I would love to come up with something that fits the series and is marketable (I.E.. sounds cool and unique so we can attract people to play as them, and not dweeby)

I actually like the name Reaper for them. Straight out of Supernatural. They are beings that work for Death himself to escort souls.


As for the Deities, if we incorporate what was drawn up for A New Age into this, all history will have basically been lost over the years. Characters like Arc, Oni, Inferno, and the like forgotten about and turned into nameless myths to all but a handful (such as Arc and Oni's respective children).  

[Dantes_Sin_of_Greed]

THIS POST IS NOT DONE. DEFINING WHAT THE DIVINE SPARK IS, LET ALONE THE SOUL, IS NOT EASY. With that said, I'll take any feedback anyone wants to leave.

The Divine Spark, The Infernal Core and The Soul

The Divine Spark, the Infernal Core, and the Soul are the essences of a Divine being and a mortal, respectively. A casual observation would note the many similarities between the three: all are sources of great power and energy; all are necessary for continued sustained existence (without an incredible workaround); and both define and are defined by the being who carries them, among other aspects. However, while fundamentally similar, each carries their own decisive differences that help define and compose which being has a Divine Spark, Infernal Core or Soul.

The Divine Spark:

The Divine Spark is analogous to a Soul for a Divine entity/being, with some key caveats that help define a Divine entity/being:

1. Divine beings need worship to sustain their immortality, and heighten their power. More worshipers=more power.

2. A diving being deprived of their Spark becomes a mortal.





The Soul


The Infernal Core

(I swear this next bit will make more sense when I finish the writing the Divine Spark/Infernal Core. As is, it is a tier system to judge where Divine/Infernal characters rank in relation to each other. Is it a strict and all encompassing system? No, and nor do I want it to be. It is a reference guide at best, and a Pc limiter at worst.

.On a side note, I firmly believe anything Tier 7 and up should be NPC territory, unless there is a damn good reason.)


While Heaven, Hell, and other Divinely Gifted individuals have their own unique ranking system, nearly all can fall under this basic ranking structure.

Divine Spark/Infernal Core Rankings

10--Greater Godhood: ... Ex: Lady Kikyo, Goddess of Magic

9--Lesser Godhood

8--Demi-God: ... Ex: Raphael de Sol, Inferno Salazar

7--Avatar: ... Ex: Morik Draven, The Four Paths of Salvation

6--Greater Leader

5--Lesser Leader-- ... Ex: Lance Salazar

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3--Named Rank: These are the Angels/Demons who have accomplished great feats, risen above the rank and file and are named in the Divine Heraldry of Heaven/Demonic Blazonry. Once established in the Heraldry/Blazonry, their name is spread among the mortals so their Divine gift can be further cultivated and elevated. Ex: Most Pc characters who choose to have a Divine Spark start out at this rank; Yume, Aurora, Maya, Roy

2

1--Average Angel/Demon/Divine. Here is the rank that most of Heaven, Hell, and other Divines rank in at. When mortals think of the Divine in the general sense, this is what comes to most mortal's minds. Ex: Most NPC Angels/Demons/Other Divines, and a most Mortals raised to the Divinity post death are granted this rank.  

[Yokai Yakuza]

Dantes_Sin_of_Greed

Divine Spark: I like the idea but I belive the name should be exclusive to angels and deities (perhaps give demons an infernal soul or some such other thing. Same idea just diffrent names. It will help avoid confusion)




That's just my opinion but it's a good idea  

[Dantes_Sin_of_Greed]

Yokai Yakuza

Dantes_Sin_of_Greed

Divine Spark: I like the idea but I belive the name should be exclusive to angels and deities (perhaps give demons an infernal soul or some such other thing. Same idea just diffrent names. It will help avoid confusion)




That's just my opinion but it's a good idea

I like the concept and the flavor of an 'Infernal Soul'...Only thing I think we should do is rename it, so as not to confuse it with the Soul (a mortal's essence).

Any suggestions?  

[Yokai Yakuza]

Dantes_Sin_of_Greed

Yokai Yakuza

Dantes_Sin_of_Greed

Divine Spark: I like the idea but I belive the name should be exclusive to angels and deities (perhaps give demons an infernal soul or some such other thing. Same idea just diffrent names. It will help avoid confusion)




That's just my opinion but it's a good idea

I like the concept and the flavor of an 'Infernal Soul'...Only thing I think we should do is rename it, so as not to confuse it with the Soul (a mortal's essence).

Any suggestions?

Infernal Core perhaps
Demons could have unstable souls that inhabit illegally manufactured bodies or Crafted Bodies. As a result, they constantly require consumption of souls to maintain their unstable bodies, or without which they will die; uless they resort to eating each other or alternative methods. The only way to escape this 'hell' is to obtain and occupy a Human body or to obtain a certain tier.



Artificial parts may not necessarily be manufactured by themselves and can also be from the body of a non-demon being. (Demon economy?)

As their bodies are artificially recreated by themselves, demons could be able to remove and replace body parts that have been damaged or modify their body in a way to suit individual preferences. Demon bodies could be created with a single attribute, hence are affect greatly by the elemental weakness and strengths of that attribute.

(Here's where I got the idea)
http://soulcartel.wikia.com/wiki/Category biggrin emons