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 Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:15 pm
rmcdra TeaDidikai Nomad of Nowhere I recall it was Tea who said that you could verify divine contact in part by making sure that the traits of the deity in question matched the traits portrayed or written down in their respective culture. Yes, this was for individuals, but does Christianity appear to pass that test? Christendom passes the test easily if it isn't YHVH that Yeshua is an incarnation of. I wonder myself if the name YHVH was just used by Yeshua to describe and express something that was for a lack of a better word, "higher" than YHVH. I don't know possibly an early form of Henotheism, like how Gho described in his pathways thread? I was under the impression Jesus usually called him "Father," not by the more formal designation of YHWH. That being said, I'm hardly an Aramaic Scholar.
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:18 pm
Deoridhe rmcdra TeaDidikai Nomad of Nowhere I recall it was Tea who said that you could verify divine contact in part by making sure that the traits of the deity in question matched the traits portrayed or written down in their respective culture. Yes, this was for individuals, but does Christianity appear to pass that test? Christendom passes the test easily if it isn't YHVH that Yeshua is an incarnation of. I wonder myself if the name YHVH was just used by Yeshua to describe and express something that was for a lack of a better word, "higher" than YHVH. I don't know possibly an early form of Henotheism, like how Gho described in his pathways thread? I was under the impression Jesus usually called him "Father," not by the more formal designation of YHWH. That being said, I'm hardly an Aramaic Scholar. The scriptures do not record Yeshua using the Tetragramaton.
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:09 pm
A friend of mine recently told me there's a new theory concerning Jeshua. Apparently, the Greek fail at copying words properly, and somehow turned Julius Caesar into Jesus Christ.
Anyone else hear of that one?
Though, it doesn't do a whole lot to keep things mystical, I suppose..
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:46 pm
Maze A friend of mine recently told me there's a new theory concerning Jeshua. Apparently, the Greek fail at copying words properly, and somehow turned Julius Caesar into Jesus Christ. Anyone else hear of that one? Though, it doesn't do a whole lot to keep things mystical, I suppose.. This wouldn't make sense to me - in Greek, they look entirely different. Julius Caesar is Ιούλιος Καίσαρας (Ioulios Kaisaras), and Jesus Christ is Ιησούς Χριστός (Iesous Khristos). I can understand maybe misinterpreting the names, but the titles in Greek are clearly unrelated. They don't sound nearly as similar in Greek as they do in English.
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:49 pm
Heard it, but it doesn't make much sense. Caesar's life was pretty well documented, and if I'm not mistaken, a member of a major roman family wouldn't have been crucified in a relatively obscure place like Palestine. Also, TeaDidikai please correct me if I get this wrong, but my understanding is that Jesus is a latinization of Joshua, which is a Greek variant of Yeshua, which is a pretty far cry from Julius. Just my two cents again..shutting up now.
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:50 pm
Collowrath Maze A friend of mine recently told me there's a new theory concerning Jeshua. Apparently, the Greek fail at copying words properly, and somehow turned Julius Caesar into Jesus Christ. Anyone else hear of that one? Though, it doesn't do a whole lot to keep things mystical, I suppose.. This wouldn't make sense to me - in Greek, they look entirely different. Julius Caesar is Ιούλιος Καίσαρας (Ioulios Kaisaras), and Jesus Christ is Ιησούς Χριστός (Iesous Khristos). I can understand maybe misinterpreting the names, but the titles in Greek are clearly unrelated. They don't sound nearly as similar in Greek as they do in English. I have no background in Ancient Greek, but I did find a website that appears to be affiliated with the documentary she saw it in. Francesco Carotta wrote a book and caused a bit of a stir, apparently.. If you're interested, here.
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:44 pm
TeaDidikai Deoridhe rmcdra TeaDidikai Nomad of Nowhere I recall it was Tea who said that you could verify divine contact in part by making sure that the traits of the deity in question matched the traits portrayed or written down in their respective culture. Yes, this was for individuals, but does Christianity appear to pass that test? Christendom passes the test easily if it isn't YHVH that Yeshua is an incarnation of. I wonder myself if the name YHVH was just used by Yeshua to describe and express something that was for a lack of a better word, "higher" than YHVH. I don't know possibly an early form of Henotheism, like how Gho described in his pathways thread? I was under the impression Jesus usually called him "Father," not by the more formal designation of YHWH. That being said, I'm hardly an Aramaic Scholar. The scriptures do not record Yeshua using the Tetragramaton. Yeah that's right. The only scripture coming to mind using the Tetragramaton was Saul's letters but they were always hyphenated with something. Sorry the only thing I know about Greek and Hebrew is what I read from other scholars.
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:01 pm
River_Moonwolf Heard it, but it doesn't make much sense. Caesar's life was pretty well documented, and if I'm not mistaken, a member of a major roman family wouldn't have been crucified in a relatively obscure place like Palestine. Also, TeaDidikai please correct me if I get this wrong, but my understanding is that Jesus is a latinization of Joshua, which is a Greek variant of Yeshua, which is a pretty far cry from Julius. Just my two cents again..shutting up now. Iēsous is the Greek form of Yeshu or Yeshua, which is the Roman Type representation of the Hebrew or Aramaic name that was in use during the Second Temple period. Yĕhowshuwa would be the Romanization of the Hebrew name that is commonly Anglicized as Joshua- usually in addressing Moses' successor, though the roots are incredibly similar and they may have been used in their early forms interchangeably. The Latin would have been Iesus, or some similar form- as there are vocative, accusative and other such forms.
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:21 pm
The whole concept is kinda foreign to me. I don't claim the way I was taught, is an accurate representation of the whole catholic church, but i was taught personally that BELIEVING in magic was a sin, much less practicing it. If that's inaccurate, talk to the nuns at holy innocence (i kid you not) where I went to elementary school, or St Anthony high school. At any rate, I'm not putting down anyone's path or anything, quite the contrary, just sharing what I was taught personally.
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:20 am
Asahi Sara The whole concept is kinda foreign to me. I don't claim the way I was taught, is an accurate representation of the whole catholic church, but i was taught personally that BELIEVING in magic was a sin, much less practicing it. If that's inaccurate, talk to the nuns at holy innocence (i kid you not) where I went to elementary school, or St Anthony high school. At any rate, I'm not putting down anyone's path or anything, quite the contrary, just sharing what I was taught personally. They taught you incorrectly. The concept of magic, depending on the definition, is addressed within the Catechism to differing degrees.
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