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 Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:52 pm
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whiporwill-o kage no neko Okies. So I read through it and I think I must be missing something.. We've been assuming that Samhain is on October 31st. Just 'cause. I dunno, my calendar says so. So if it isn't, when IS Samhain? And also, wtf do we celebrate on the 31st if it's not Samhain? Samhain is November 1st |
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:57 pm
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kage no neko whiporwill-o kage no neko Okies. So I read through it and I think I must be missing something.. We've been assuming that Samhain is on October 31st. Just 'cause. I dunno, my calendar says so. So if it isn't, when IS Samhain? And also, wtf do we celebrate on the 31st if it's not Samhain? Samhain is November 1st Is it like.. from the night of the 31st to the night of the 1st then? How do you determine the time period of Samhain?
i'm not wiccan or celtic (we did say it was celtic right? my brain is so fuzzzzzzy right now, lol), so i'm not sure about that one. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:02 pm
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whiporwill-o kage no neko whiporwill-o kage no neko Okies. So I read through it and I think I must be missing something.. We've been assuming that Samhain is on October 31st. Just 'cause. I dunno, my calendar says so. So if it isn't, when IS Samhain? And also, wtf do we celebrate on the 31st if it's not Samhain? Samhain is November 1st Is it like.. from the night of the 31st to the night of the 1st then? How do you determine the time period of Samhain? i'm not wiccan or celtic (we did say it was celtic right? my brain is so fuzzzzzzy right now, lol), so i'm not sure about that one.
Anyway. I googled it to try to find something more exact. From what I understand, it begins at sundown of the 31st. If this is wrong, someone correct me please? |
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:07 pm
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kage no neko whiporwill-o kage no neko whiporwill-o kage no neko Okies. So I read through it and I think I must be missing something.. We've been assuming that Samhain is on October 31st. Just 'cause. I dunno, my calendar says so. So if it isn't, when IS Samhain? And also, wtf do we celebrate on the 31st if it's not Samhain? Samhain is November 1st Is it like.. from the night of the 31st to the night of the 1st then? How do you determine the time period of Samhain? i'm not wiccan or celtic (we did say it was celtic right? my brain is so fuzzzzzzy right now, lol), so i'm not sure about that one. I never said you were! razz Anyway. I googled it to try to find something more exact. From what I understand, it begins at sundown of the 31st. If this is wrong, someone correct me please?
i wasn't accusing you razz
i was just, in a very round-about way, saying that i don't particularly participate in that holiday, |
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:03 pm
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:14 pm
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:28 pm
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If I remember correctly, British Traditional Wiccans call their holidays something other than Samhain, Beltaine, etc. They are never clear about what exactly they /do/ call their holidays, so I am guessing they are oathbound in secrecy. However, I believe scorplett suggested that the names were not original and drew upon another source, perhaps like the Outer Court names for them (Samhain).
Astrologically, Wiccan "Samhain" occurs on November 8th, if I remember correctly. But I think it might depend on your tradition when exactly you celebrate them (31st October versus the astrological date). The coven I'm studying under doesn't have a sabbat circle for Samhain on the 31st or the 8th. Scheduling for us is tricky, though, so maybe that's it.
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:32 pm
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:03 pm
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:50 pm
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:17 pm
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:22 pm
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too2sweet kage no neko Okay, since I have no clue when Samhain is supposed to be, why is it the 6/7/8th? It's the 6th/7th (not sure how she got the 8th). If you read the home page it goes into a little more detail. |
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:09 am
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Samhain is a seven day event, not a one day event.
Cite
Foras Feasa ar Éirinn, Book 1-2 Trí lá ré Samhain do ghrés, Trí lá 'n-a diaidh fá deighbhés;
You'll find other sources to support this in the Ulster Cycle, particularly the Táin, where the Samhain Feis is repeatedly referenced as a multi day event, seven days of peace, with three days of stories at the center.
However, we come to my beef with the archaeoastronomy site, leaving aside the fact that they don't actually cite anything other than the Coligny calendar, and doing a terrible job of doing so.
The Coligny Calendar covered a five year cycle, in an attempt to reconsile the lunar year and the solar one. Scholars, to this day, argue whether or not the New Moon or the Full Moon started the month. Samhain, being a lunar event, which point of fact is supported by the Coligny calendar, cannot fall nicely into a solar date.
One of the ways I've heard it defined is the second full moon after the autumnal equinox. This would make it vary anywhere from October 20th - November 13th.
Another is the first full moon after a certain lunar alignment in Skryne.
Another is the first new moon after either of the two.
The long and the short of it is, it's a lunar date, not a solar one.
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:28 pm
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:48 pm
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